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Ok, so I'm not your favorite kuron. But I didn't misbehave when I came here, at least.

Bad news first (for me, you guys might get a kick out of it)... funding troubles at the startup I'm at again. Looking for a new job, and it sucks.

[editor's note, by ana] moved to the diary section, at the request of the author.

Yeh, it looks as if the boss might pull off a new round of funding, for about $1.5 million. But most of that will go to marketing, and the money to staff up for a redesign of the web application probably won't be there. (I'm not linking to it, I'm embarrassed by it... and being that I showed you the porn webapp, take that however you'd like.)

Just this morning, he came in, talking about a redesign, and hinting that they want to write it in a new language. Some php framework or ruby on rails is all I can guess. I don't know why, both him and the investors have no clue when it comes to such things. We could probably just lie to them, and tell them that the redesign is whatever they'd like, and they'd not know.

Not that I can't learn another language... but perl catalyst kicks ass in major ways. I like it. It's clean, simple, doesn't get in my way. And it seperates those things that should be seperated.

Not to mention the 18 month's worth of catalyst I have under my belt... not using that would be throwing away an investment. Oh god... we use so many perl modules for which there are no equivalents in other languages to boot.

(Hell, on all the personal projects of mine, I plan on using perl catalyst from now on. Check it out.)

I've also been toying around with an FPGA kit I bought a few months back. Seems I've got it in my head to design an FPU for the 6502... I really wanted to have it plug into a 40 pin socket, and have it's own socket to plug the cpu into. But I'm kinda liking the design I have now, where it's the size of a 40pin dip, with a surface mount 6502 right on the thing.

Having fun with it, but it's another one of those things I doubt I'll ever finish.

My newest favorite hobby though, is growing vegetables. Mind you, I've not actually had any vegetables yet, but seeds have sprouted.

I have 6 pea plants that are now well over 30" tall. They've outgrown the trellis I thought would be adequate. Some radishes and carrots in the same pots with them, but they aren't doing so well, despite getting as much light in the (south facing) living room window.

The green bean plants and cucumber got too big to stay in the starter tray, and with window room being what it was, I put them outside in big terracottas, on the front entrance. (And none of my asshole neighbors have complained to the condo association yet.) Most nights, I'd leave them out... it's been in the high 40s and low 50s even at night. And as further insurance, I'd take cut 2 liter bottles, and put them over the top of the plants at night.

Well, I wasn't paying attention, and it dropped down to 21°F. They were mush the next morning.

But I've got new cucumbers and green beans sprouting. I've even decided to do a couple corn plants, gonna try to use them as a trellis of sorts for the cucumbers or squash.

But I'm getting all sorts of stupid ideas about what I want to try to grow. A week ago, I ordered a cacao pod from these guys. It arrived, I broke it open, and got nearly the 50 seeds they claimed it would have. Planted most of them, and as of yesterday morning, they sprouted. Just a little bit, can't wait to see if there are any changes when I get home.

Apparently, you can trim the plant without killing it, and it likes shade. So I'll keep it inside as a houseplant. Some people claim they've even gotten it to flower and produce fruit doing such. Takes a few years though.

Not that I'll do much with it... the slimy stuff in the pod actually tasted not bad, sweet, kinda tart. But the seeds, what they supposedly make chocolate out of... god awful. I had to spit it out in the sink. The inside of the seed is purplish brown, it almost looks like chocolate, but damn. Whatever they do in processing, is what makes it taste good. In a few years I might have to read up on how to do it, supposing I get it to flower.

As for the rest of the plants, I'll give those away on craigslist or freecycle. (If anyone here is in the Atlanta area, you can have some... it really does look like most or all will sprout.)

I've even been thinking about buying a small farm in a few years, somewhere. I don't know that I'm any good at this, I might starve trying to feed myself, but it actually is sorta fun. And with a few greenhouses, I could maybe even grow some stuff that you shouldn't be able to do otherwise in North America.

Bananas, for instance... these look doable. Coffee, even easier. Though, how drinkable it'd be is anyone's guess. Coconuts... I can't really tell yet, need more research. I've found a few places to buy seedlings, and even a website where a guy grew one from a grocery store coconut (something that's supposed to be impossible, once the husk is removed they're not supposed to grow). But a few sites say that anything above 750ft elevation isn't likely to develop coconuts, and anything above 1000ft and it might not even grow. So, if I want my farm/greenhouse somewhere that's 2000ft above sea level, would it work? Gotta be a temperature thing, and not air pressure thing, but like I said, I need to do more research.

Vanilla though... that's gotta be the worst of them all. For one, it's an orchid. The only orchid that humans (usually) eat. If you grow it just right, after a few years the vines produce these bean-like pods. That's when the fun begins. When you read what it takes to "cure" these pods (they don't smell/taste like vanilla until after), it sounds insane. More like superstition or ritual. Surely if they're heated to a certain temperature, at a certain humidity, for a certain length of time (or even exposed to a certain amount of light), this would have the effect that you'd want. But that's not the case at all. One some of the hottest days, you let them bake out in the sun, and then roll them up in a blanket, and put them in a special "sweating box" overnight. And they get inspected, to see if they should stay or go. And maybe put back out in the sun again. Or not. And on for weeks and so forth.

Seems like the process could be made more scientific, is all I'm saying.

I think I'd have fun trying to grow all this goofy crap though, even if I didn't succeed.

Hell, maybe even some livestock. Some chickens or a couple of cows.

Oh, another thing I've looked into growing: mushrooms. I like them on salad, and for that matter, just about everything else. Pizza, soups, pasta sauce. And you can even buy these little kits for $25 or so, that you open up the top, and mushrooms start growing out of the soil in the box for a few weeks.

Turns out though, that you only get a few pounds worth, and they end up costing twice what they do at the grocery store. So, the kits aren't all that good.

Making the kits yourself, is no easy task. You need an autoclave (no kidding), and a (nearly?) sterile lab in which to work. Agar cultures, everything.

I think if the madmax-esque apocalypse ever occurs, I'm just going to have to learn to live without mushrooms. It looks even less likely than vanilla (and even with that you're better off just burying a few tens of gallons of extract in your bunker).

As fun as it is to read about this stuff though, every once in awhile I come back to reality. How in the hell am I going to afford a 100 acre farm with 2 or 3 $20,000 greenhouses, when I don't have any savings or even a job? Maybe I should play the lottery.

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We usually diarize around here... by wiredog (4.00 / 1) #1 Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 08:04:53 AM EST

Earth First!
(We can strip mine the rest later.)

I thought some midwest towns were subsidizing by georgeha (2.00 / 0) #2 Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 08:14:53 AM EST
new people, trying to stop their dying. It would be a small town, but you might be able to get a small farm cheap.

Well... by NoMoreNicksLeft (2.00 / 0) #3 Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 08:18:22 AM EST
I'm not sure how picky I am. I don't want North Dakota or anything, for instance.

I've actually been thinking some place in Texas. Maybe others would do.

And I'm also not certain how small. I can't see myself cultivating more than 10 or 20 acres... but bigger would be nicer. I'd love to have a place where the house was a half mile from the road, with a big long lane. And where the road is always empty, because it's the middle of nowhere.

If I could afford it, a few hundred acres would be really nice.
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Ack. by NoMoreNicksLeft (4.00 / 2) #4 Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 08:19:44 AM EST
I didn't mean to put this in the queue. Dammit. Will it just vote down to the diary section, or will that kill it? If it does, could you move it Hulver, please?
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Thanks, whoever moved it. by NoMoreNicksLeft (2.00 / 0) #9 Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 08:58:26 AM EST

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No prob. by ana (2.00 / 0) #10 Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 09:05:02 AM EST
Nothing says newbie like posting in the mod queue. :-)

"And this ... is a piece of Synergy." --Kellnerin

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I don't think I'm a newb. by NoMoreNicksLeft (2.00 / 0) #11 Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 09:09:28 AM EST
But firefox on mac does strange things if you hit random keys, and I think it focused the dropdown, and me like an idiot must have just kept tapping on the down air, before tabbing back to the textfield.

Didn't notice, either. It's been 3 months now, and I'm still not used to the laptop's keyboard.
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O RLY by discordia (2.00 / 0) #33 Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 04:23:16 PM EST

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pots... by sasquatchan (2.00 / 0) #5 Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 08:20:46 AM EST
once things like cukes or squash sprout, they need to be moved to larger pots immediately.

They're better off planted in ground and left to grow from there, rather than in pots and then transplanted..

Only a few things to well started in pots and later transplanted to ground or larger pots: tomatoes, peppers, egg plant are the few that come to mind.

oh, sorry, -1 diary. Good diary, but not FP.

I don't have alot of choice. by NoMoreNicksLeft (2.00 / 0) #6 Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 08:29:02 AM EST
Too cold to put them outside yet, and not enough room in front of the window for the big pots. I guess I could wait, but I'm impatient (and trying to figure out how to grow at least some of the stuff year round).
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I have good luck with transplanting basil by georgeha (2.00 / 0) #7 Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 08:42:45 AM EST
have you read Square Foot Gardening? That book has some winter gardening ideas, cabbage and onions are two biggies.

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I have some basil growing. by NoMoreNicksLeft (2.00 / 0) #8 Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 08:47:46 AM EST
I think only 1 of 3 squares sprouted though, and it's been so long that the rest is probably a bust. (Though, the cilantro took forever to sprout...)

I have quite a few herbs growing, can't even remember them all. I figured for $1 a package, why not?

Hoping that the tomatoes and lettuce do well though, I probably eat more of that than anything else.
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You don't need a 100 acres by miker2 (2.00 / 0) #12 Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 09:18:51 AM EST
My brother worked on a 300 acre farm this summer, but they only had 15-20 acres in use during the season, the other acreage is under lease or lies fallow.  They were able to support a medium size (~75 family) CSA on that land.

But, I'm not even sure what all I want... by NoMoreNicksLeft (2.00 / 0) #13 Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 09:23:19 AM EST
I mean, suppose I do have some cows. How many acres for grazing per cow?

How many acres per cow for hay for the winter?

A decent sized farmhouse, a decent sized barn and other buildings, a few greenhouses... that alone is probably 3-5 acres all by itself.

You're right though, I could get away with alot less, but I think I still might want more. Hell, I've even been wondering about orchards.
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This farm doesn't raise animals by miker2 (2.00 / 0) #19 Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 09:49:46 AM EST
outside of a couple of donkeys, some chickens for eggs and a pig or two.  The land use for animals is a lot more than it is for planting.

Orchards are very nice too, and you can pack a lot of fruit trees in a limited area.

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And so many fruit trees... by NoMoreNicksLeft (2.00 / 0) #22 Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 09:56:44 AM EST
I don't think I'd be able to choose which ones I'd want... but the learning necessary to take care of three or four dozen might be prohibitive.

I've even been reading about olive trees.. 2 or 3 would be enough for a big family, with plenty left over to sell.

As for the animals, though, I do have this dumb idea of making my own ice cream, so that means a few dairy cows at least.

Ice cream where the vanilla and chocolate are raised in the same place as the milk? Heh.
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fruit trees by sasquatchan (2.00 / 0) #24 Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 10:28:41 AM EST
are very labor intensive and hard to do organic..

Berries, manageable. Fruit ? Very hard.

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Veggies by wiredog (2.00 / 0) #14 Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 09:35:11 AM EST
Peas are wonderful fresh off the vine. But the sugars turn to starch in a few minutes. Freezing stops the process, which is why you don't see fresh peas in the store but do see frozen ones.

Tomatoes are great, and growing them yourself is a good way to get the heirloom varieties. The ones that actually taste like tomatoes.

Bananas and coconuts? Those are trees. You need a very high ceiling to grow those.

Mushrooms aren't that difficult. But it is easier to just go out and pick them. Use a good guide, with lots of color illustrations, to ensure you're picking the food ones, and not the poisonous ones.

Earth First!
(We can strip mine the rest later.)

Mushrooms. by NoMoreNicksLeft (2.00 / 0) #17 Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 09:42:09 AM EST
I like the button kind you see in the store. If they grow naturally, I know not where.

Used to like morels as a kid, but I doubt they grow anywhere that I'm looking to buy. Never going back to Indiana, I hate the fucking place.

Some banana trees are well below 12ft... so yeh, I could grow the in a greenhouse, I think. A big one anyway.

And coconuts? Supposedly some start producing coconuts so quickly, that the first coconuts touch the ground (that'd be what, at 12" tall?). You could chop the damn things down before they got too big, and grow another. And many will produce 75-150 coconuts per year. All year round.

Would be fun to experiment with them.

As for the peas, I plan on eating them fresh off the vine, stir fry and stuff. 6 plants is supposed to be enough to feed 2 people a couple times a week, for the indeterminate ones.
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I just recently by blixco (2.00 / 0) #15 Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 09:36:20 AM EST
got the updated version of The New Complete Book of Self-Sufficiency and purchased a copy of Joel Salatin's book You Can Farm for my sister-in-law, who has the same dream.  Joel's book is sort of a startup guide to making a farm business using sustainable techniques.

Huge market for grass fed and organic farms.  HUGE. The folks at Betsy Ross Ranch here in Texas are making more sales than they can support, and have expanded to new pasture.

Intensively managed farms is where it's at.  Yeah, it's rough labor, but the payoff is pretty awesome.

Right now the hard part is finding good space to grow, and capital to do it.  Joel's book (and maybe a few others of his) are a great place to start, because he has never had the idealism beaten out of him.
"You bring the weasel, I'll bring the whiskey." - kellnerin

I'm not the only nutjob? by NoMoreNicksLeft (4.00 / 1) #18 Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 09:45:29 AM EST
I even wonder about having some sheep, growing some cotton. (For the wool, I don't like mutton.)

And yeh, I'd like to not have to use chemical so much, if possible. Organic would suit me fine.

But alot of this is years away, I have alot of learning to do. I like labor, when it's not pointless of repetitive. I think I could really enjoy it.

Hell, my grandparents still keep a few chickens, and were telling me on the phone last time how tame they were... the things like to be picked up and petted. They follow her around the yard. It could be fun.
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Chickens are great, by blixco (2.00 / 0) #21 Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 09:54:45 AM EST
and most places let you have them if they can be kept 50 feet from any houses.

And yeah, my sister-in-law wants sheep, bees, and vegetables.  She also already weaves, can handle a loom, and does most craft-y type stuff. This is some sort of natural extension of that.

She's not sure how she'll pay for it, either, and is starting off small as well.

It's a growing trend.  Thankfully.  I mean, there's nothing wrong with growing food.
"You bring the weasel, I'll bring the whiskey." - kellnerin

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I forgot about the bees! by NoMoreNicksLeft (4.00 / 1) #23 Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 10:00:06 AM EST
Haha, I was bothering x0000beeguy on k5 the other day, asking him how much it costs to get started with beekeeping the other day. He actually got a story on that to the frontpage, check it out.

Yeh. Not so keen on honey, but I don't want to have to crawl around with a paintbrush pollinating vegetables myself.
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You should try my honey lager by georgeha (4.00 / 1) #25 Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 10:42:14 AM EST
that'd change your mind.

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Another book... by Vulch (4.00 / 1) #29 Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 11:43:29 AM EST

A Greener Life - Clarissa Dickson Wright, Johnny Scott

They're not the sort of people you'd expect to be writing a "green" book at first sight, but they are proper English country folk and know a lot about country life.

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Why won't they just use Catalyst then? by lb008d (2.00 / 0) #16 Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 09:41:11 AM EST

Ok. by NoMoreNicksLeft (2.00 / 0) #20 Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 09:54:24 AM EST
When we first started, we didn't even have any graphic designers. Some hippy friend of the family would whip up a few mockups in Dreamweaver. They looked like crap, and the markup was unusable.

I'd spend time to actually try to write good markup for the mockup, but didn't always have time. It was always hurry hurry hurry. My two coworkers wouldn't.

So it was a mess.

Finally we did get a few graphic designers, but the site was still a mixup of three or four competing visions. And the technology manager, my boss (who's not here anymore, and probably won't be returning even if we get funding) must have finally heard about ajax. So we got ajax on the site even in places where it didn't make sense.

So, even when the site works, it's clunky as fuck.

And when it doesn't, it's a disaster.

But most of the problems are in the markup and javascript for the site, at least those that the users would notice.

Nothing to do with catalyst, which is pretty fucking rock solid as far as I can tell.

But I've been pushing for a redesign almost from the beginning. We have a prototype which to base it off of, something to use in the meantime, and we'll be able to deliver something kickass, all at once.

So, I think Mike (the founder), thinks that maybe the problem's catalyst. Too him, it's all just a big blob of one thing, and he's only heard "catalyst" before.

Are there advantages to switching? Sure, there are other languages and frameworks that would have them, but there are disadvantages too. I've got almost two years of this, and I have lots of little demo apps that are just plain slick. Internationalization is just a matter of sending off the TT templates to be translated, and it's all slick as hell, they'd end up using internationalized versions of the similarly named stylesheets, if need be (or if that language doesn't need it, just put a symlink back to the generic). We'd be throwing out all the code, even the few bits and pieces that are good. It's just not worth it.

But ultimately, I'll do whatever he wants. Provided we have the money to staff up enough to do it.
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If he were smart by lb008d (2.00 / 0) #41 Fri Mar 07, 2008 at 05:37:53 AM EST
he'd go with what his devs are most familiar with, and not some arbitrary decision. If you think Catalyst is the best choice and can't prove that to him, time to start looking around, IMHO.

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Farming by ad hoc (2.00 / 0) #26 Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 10:52:25 AM EST
While I didn't grow up on a farm, my cousins did and I spent a lot of time there, so take this for what it's worth.

You don't want cows. They're herding animals and don't like being alone, so you'll need at least a few. They big and eat a lot, and require a lot of pasture (unless you want feed lot cattle, and then, really, what's the point?). They're stupid and wallow in their own shit. That means there's a lot of maintenance keeping the stalls clean or they'll get sick. They only give milk when calving, so there's an extra bit of maintenance and expense involved there, too (stud fees, &c).

That said, if you really want a cow, and have the land, you can rent out the pasture to someone else and put your cow in amongst theirs, for a price or barter on the rent.

Much better to consider sheep or goats. They aren't a whole lot smarter, but you can get more of them in a smaller area. You can get milk from them for drinking or cheese much easier and cheaper than you can from a cow. Wool, too. And the meat's good.

Also consider alpacas. They're smart, have wool, and make good watchdogs for sheep, too. They're fearless and will drive off a wolf, dog, or bear. They're also good pack animals and are good if you like to go hiking in the hills. IIRC, they're not too crazy about heat, though.

You don't want chickens either. They stink. A lot. For cash, you can raise chicks and sell them to a chicken farm once they're sexed, but you really don't want to raise more than a few for your own consumption. Chicken sexers arent' cheap, but until (or if) you learn, covering their cost isn't too bad if you raise enough chicks. If you're in the right area, you can also raise pheasant chicks for the county/game commission. They'll pay you for them, then stock the woods for the hunters.

For crops, I'd urge you to look at organic farming. It's really the only way for a small outfit to profit against agribusiness farms. If you don't buy an organic farm there will be a three year period where you must use organic methods but can't label the food "organic", so that's a cost to be absorbed. But if you have a good product, and live near Whole Foods, you might be able to sell to them as they're pretty good about "buying local". Then there's also the farmer's markets where you can get a good price for good stuff, especially if you're near a big city.

The absolute best place to get all the information you need is from your local extension office (or whatever it's called in your county). They're a gold mine of information and it's all free, or nearly free.
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Not sure I want to try to profit... by NoMoreNicksLeft (2.00 / 0) #27 Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 11:06:32 AM EST
Though, any extra money that stuff could bring in would help.

Just enough to cover the bills would be fine, especially if I could have decent food for once. And yeh, I would like to do stuff organic, within reason. But if a cow gets sick, are you allowed to give the damn thing antibiotics? Does that invalidate? Or do they draw a distinction between that and the factory farms that pump them full of crap just because?

Supposing it's enough, a few dozen acres for cows to graze wouldn't be out of the question, I don't think. I don't really want to "adopt a third world cow" and have someone else raise it. I could just get rich, and buy organic beef at some hippy store, if that's all I was after.
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Antibiotics by ad hoc (2.00 / 0) #28 Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 11:40:23 AM EST
No, you cannot give a cow (or any other animal) antibiotics and retain an organic certification. If a cow is given any antibiotics at all, the farm risks its certification unless the cow is quarantined. That, actually, is a bit controversial. There are organic farms out there that would rather have a sick cow and retain its organic certification than try to heal the cow.

Besides your extension office, you can hunt around websites for Land Grant universities (like my alma matter, Ohio State) since that's what they were set up for originally.

Like this.
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That seems kind of dumb. by NoMoreNicksLeft (2.00 / 0) #30 Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 12:04:21 PM EST
I personally wouldn't have any problem with eating beef that was given a one time course of antibiotics 2 years ago to clear up an infection... still a large improvement, you know?

I guess if the certification is worth more than a cow you can't heal. But that seems rather cruel to the animal. It'd still only be something that I'd do if the vet said it was necessary.
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There's no rule again treating the animal by ad hoc (2.00 / 0) #31 Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 12:37:37 PM EST
The rules about what is and isn't "organic" are inviolate. If that weren't the case, there are enough sleazy people out there who would bend the rules enough to make the organic label worthless.

There's no rule against treating an animal with antibiotics. The rule is against treating an animal and continuing to use it in production, or have it associate with any other animal for some period of time. I don't remember what that period of time is, but it's not permanent. The cost comes in in quarantining the animal.

But if you lose your certification, it takes three years to get it back and in that time, you must continue the more expensive organic production methods but can't sell your product as "organic".

I agree, it's cruel to the animal. IMO, an animal has the right to be healthy, regardless of its ultimate destiny. If an "organic" animal needs treatment with drugs, it should be treated and sold to a non-organic farm if the organic farm doesn't want to deal with it.
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Water for your future farm by marvin (2.00 / 0) #32 Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 01:39:34 PM EST
Not sure how variable the water supply is in Texas, but global warming models show decreased precipitation across much of western North America.

You might want to pick your region on the long term precipitation trends and soil capability for agriculture, rather than current land price. One acre with adequate rainfall will produce a lot more for you than a 100 acre dustbowl.

With the likely end of cheap energy and cheap pumping, and the plundering of the Oglalla Aquifer, many of today's agricultural areas might not be farmable within a few decades.

This is true. by NoMoreNicksLeft (2.00 / 0) #34 Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 05:08:21 PM EST
But if I solve for water, I have bad winters to contend with.

I was thinking a somewhat hefty solar/wind installation. At least enough to run everything even with the grid gone.

I have greenhouses that I'll want to maybe heat in winter (tropicals would need something more than the  greenhouse alone will give them).

I'd still be able to pump water from a well, if there was any left in the ground. Maybe a large cistern would help? I really don't know.

If all the global warming stuff is true, might all be moot anyway.
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Necessary vs. nice-to-have by marvin (2.00 / 0) #35 Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 05:36:46 PM EST
Water: necessary
Warm winters: nice-to-have

There's always the eastern seaboard. Something north or northeast of Florida, and further above sea level. Plus, if global warming happens, the winters won't be as much of a problem.

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I'd rather... by NoMoreNicksLeft (4.00 / 1) #36 Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 05:44:05 PM EST
Have the winters, than the population density of the east coast.

I was in west Texas back in September for a week, and I liked it. It had been years since I could see the stars at night.
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Just get outside the big cities by georgeha (2.00 / 0) #39 Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 04:56:09 AM EST
the southern tier of New York is pretty empty, as is much of Pennsylvania.

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I remember your crazy porn application by komet (2.00 / 0) #37 Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 10:35:00 PM EST
whatever became of it?

<ni> komet: You are functionally illiterate as regards trashy erotica.
Home grown mushrooms by Phage (2.00 / 0) #38 Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 10:42:00 PM EST
get some bags of fresh spent mushroom compost from your garden centre. Leave them in the garage for a few days.

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