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By TheophileEscargot (Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 08:09:47 AM EST) Reading, Web (all tags)
Reading: "Evil for Evil", "Panic Nation". Museums. Web.


What I'm Reading
Finished Evil for Evil. Second book in the Engineer trilogy: fantasy without most of the traditional tropes of magic and strange beasts.

Liked it a lot, though it's not quite as fresh as the first. Parker is suitably ruthless with her characters, allowing disasters and humiliations to happen. Also the plot unfolds a little predictably this time, though a new character does liven things up a bit. Not sure this is naturally a trilogy: might have been better to trim it down and do it as one volume.

On the plus side, it keeps handling the characters well, and the plot is carefully constructed. Will have to see what the third volume is like.

What I'm Reading 2
Read part of Panic Nation. Collection of essays about food scares and health panics, mostly written by experts in the particular fields. Didn't bother reading the essays about the scares I'm already most familiar with: the unfamiliar stuff is depressing enough.

I found the passive smoking essay by James Le Fanu both the most interesting and the most depressing. The epidemiological story is familiar to anyone who's had a cursory look at most health scares. Most studies show no effect from passive smoking. A few show a tiny effect at the limit of detectability, those studies generally being the smallest and from the more obscure research institutes. Meta-studies are then done: some of which find no effect, but those which include the smaller studies do find a tiny effect.

The rational course would then be to declare that either the effect does not exist, or else it is too small to worry about. The actual course is of course, panic.

So far so familiar. But where it gets more interesting is in the biology itself.

Further and very interestingly indeed, the types of lung cancer being caused by passive smoking were quite different from those being caused by active smoking. This merits a brief elaboration. There are two broad categories of lung cancer, the commoner one being squamous and oat-cell cancers, which arise from the cells lining the airways (that area obviously maximally exposed to the potential carcinogens in tobacco smoke). The second category of cancers includes what are known as adenocarninomas, and they arise from glandular tissue in the air sacs in the periphery of the lung

In the early 1950s, when the late Sir Austin Bradford Hill and Sir Richard Doll first produced the devastating evidence implicating smoking in lung cancer, they made the interesting observation that these tobacco-induced cancers were of the former type - squamous and oat-cell cancers with a powerful dose-response relationship, where the more smoked the greater the risks. By contrast they found "no association" between smoking and the adenocarcinomas, and indeed the lung cancers that do occasionally occur in non-smokers are almost always of this type. This would suggest that whatever their cause might be, it is nothing to do with smoking.

Thus it is necessary, if the adverse effects of passive smoking were real, to presuppose the following: that carcinogenic smoke as inhaled by active smokers over many years caused one type of cancer in the airways, but the same smoke when inhaled by passive smokers at virtually infinitely lower doses caused an entirely different type of cancer in a different part of the lung that was not associated with smoking. This was, to put it mildly, highly improbable.

But apart from the nonsense the smoking ban is also depressing in two more ways. Firstly, actual scientists who know better have talked up the possibility of passive smoking in order to get smoking bans passed in the hope of reducing actual smoking. Now while they may mean well, this makes it a lot harder to fight the torrent of other scares like wifi and mobile phone masts: how can you explain why borderline effects that barely show up in giant meta-studies are valid to ban one thing, but not the other? More importantly, it seems to me a violation of scientific ethics: scientists ought to be committed to truth: not truth and useful-looking lies.

Secondly, most health scares end up only resulting in waste and heavy opportunity costs. Research resources are wasted in endless studies trying to reassure the public when they could be doing original research, governments spend large amounts of money on "awareness" campaigns and the like. The passive smoking scare however has resulted in actual legislation: quite draconian laws based on nothing whatsoever.

Overall though, the book has a few serious weaknesses. Most of the essays are written in a fairly dry academic tone: they're informative, but simply too boring to make this book a great persuader. Annoyingly, the book doesn't have an index. Also it tends to lump all manner of scares together in the same myth/fact format. While the individual articles do tend to honestly explain where the risks are real and where they are not, it might give the casual browser the impression that there are no risks at all to things like obesity.

Ultimately, it sits awkwardly between the two stools of polemic and precision: not quite persuasive enough to work as polemic, not quite rigorous enough to be scientific. Overall, makes a decent reference if you come across it, but not something to rush out and buy.

Museums
Saw the Anthony McCall light sculptures at the Serpentine gallery: beams of white light are projected through a haze. Very impressive and somewhat disorienting, though it might seem pretty bland if you're used to commercial laser shows.

Also, gallery was fairly busy, with lots of people talking loudly, some kids running around and so on. I'm sure especially at this time of year things used to be a lot quieter.

Maybe the free museums have encouraged more museuming even in always-free places. Or maybe it's because we haven't had a successful terrorist attack for a while so the scaredycats are coming to London again. Come on Al-Qaeda: stop getting beaten up by baggage handlers and sort it out. And what happened to the Real and Continuity IRAs?

Web
The house of seven sex offenders (one page)

Mickey wanted to live in a house where nobody drank or used drugs. But how could he create a sober house in a drug-infested neighbourhood? The answer, he decided, was to fill it with men on parole, who have to submit to regular urine tests. "I decided I’d make it a parole house and let them watch ’em." He didn’t set out to fill the house with sex offenders specifically. It just worked out that way because there were so many sex offenders who needed housing.
Robo-bat.

Videos. Cat vs. scalextric. Muppet disco. Who villains montage. Japanese Polysics pop video features Strong Machine 2.

Brief econoblogs. Expert coin flippers:

As shown above, the Journal reports that of the many thousands of mutual funds sold to the public, only 31 beat the Standard & Poor’s 500 index in each of the 8 years from 1999 to 2006. A skeptic of the efficient markets hypothesis might think that, subsequently, these funds would offer a better-than-average place to invest. In 2007, however, only 14 out of these 31 outperformed the index--about what would be expected from sheer chance. Exceptional past performance appears to give little reason to expect future success.
Matthew Parris blurts truth:
Now, recall Matthew's career. From 1976 to 79 he working in the Conservative Research Department, and was then an MP for seven years. So he spent 10 years in a party that was supposedly espousing free market ideas, and yet he never had a conversation, or overheard one, about one of the basic issues in market economics. How can this be? We can ignore the possibility that Matthew's stupid; his writings show him to be one of the smartest men in the dead tree industry. So, could it be instead that his Tory colleagues were just never really interested in market economics, and only talked about "free markets" as an ideological cover for what was really just class hatred and union bashing?
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Is there anything you "listen" to? by superdiva (4.00 / 1) #1 Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 09:51:59 AM EST
It just occurred to me that your diaries very rarely  reference music, but hey, it's not like I'm complaining.

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Not listening to much music at the moment by TheophileEscargot (4.00 / 2) #2 Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 10:05:31 AM EST
When I do I usually just do it for background: put the rock/pop/whatever folders on shuffle.

I tried listening to New Rave by downloading Klaxons and Enter Shikari albums, but sadly the Boosh summed it up pretty well: "Elements of the past and future, combining to make something not quite as good as either."
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One of my favourite Boosh quotes [nt] by nebbish (4.00 / 1) #8 Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 02:53:22 AM EST

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cancer gets all the press by lm (4.00 / 1) #3 Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 02:58:53 PM EST
If cancer were the only risk associated with breathing second hand smoke, the author of Panic Nation might have a good point. (Although, even at that level, I suspect old data. There was a 1993 report by the US EPA that was soundly debunked for good reason and even now much of the anti-anti-public-smoking forces focus on this report.) But there are some recent studies that suggest that second hand smoke plays a large causative role in other illnesses such as heart disease and asthma.

Read the chapter on methodology in the more recent US Surgeon General's report (warning, there's a 25MB pdf behind that link).  Aside from discussing the problems that many people see in the questionnaires that some of the studies are based on and the meta-analysis that other studies use, it also points to more recent work in the late nineties and early 2000's.


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Whoa, that's a 727 page article by TheophileEscargot (2.00 / 0) #5 Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 09:26:58 PM EST
Which I have not yet read.

However, I tend to be pretty suspicious of arguments along the lines "the old studies were wrong but don't worry because new studies give us the answers we want."

The test of science is whether results can be reliably replicated. Replicating studies, analysing studies, and debunking poor studies takes time.

So, firstly new studies should generally be given less weight that older studies. Secondly, if new studies contradict old ones then the science isn't really being replicated.

You'd expect a significant difference in heart disease to show up in overall death rates, for instance.
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Lets concede 2nd hand smoking causes no cancer by Tonatiuh (4.00 / 2) #4 Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 03:17:44 PM EST
The dirty habit still is the most unpolite and abusive one I can think off.

I never went to pubs in the UK until recently because that meant having to endure a couple of hours in a cloud of smoke (smoke that passed through other person's respiratory system! based just in the yikes! factor smoking should be a crime), take a shower going back home and a laundry bill to get rid of the stench.

In a more serious point, this guy can argue to high heavens about the scientific merits of a policy about which pretty much every government in the developed world (and many bits in other places) are in agreement. If there was some controversy his point may be interesting, but are we seriously considering that the advice in countries like the US, UK, France, Spain and many others are wrong? All of them?

Smokers are so absorbed in their dirty addiction that take no care to respect the personal space of others. If the only way to stop them is by using the law I am all for it, it would be a shame if sham science is used, but frankly I don't think that is the case.

The state by TheophileEscargot (2.00 / 0) #6 Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 09:31:20 PM EST
Doesn't generally enforce politeness by coercion and the law.

The nature of panics is that they spread. But yes, the book could probably have been called "Panic World" or at least "Panic Developed World" rather than "Panic Nation".
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Politeness by coercion and the law by DullTrev (4.00 / 1) #7 Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 01:57:25 AM EST

I give you the ASBO.


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Rather his point by Scrymarch (4.00 / 1) #10 Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 05:51:48 AM EST
And possibly yours too.

The Political Science Department of the University of Woolloomooloo

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I don't think I've ever said by TheophileEscargot (2.00 / 0) #11 Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 08:33:23 AM EST
That I'm in favour of ASBOs.

But if you take them as equivalent, about ten thousand have been issued, while there are ten million or so smokers in the UK.
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I would hope you haven't by DullTrev (2.00 / 0) #12 Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 11:29:39 AM EST

They are vile things. But, more importantly, they are a way of making impolite behaviour (e.g. swearing, loud music) punishable through the criminal courts. Their particular odiousness is the wide applicability.

As for smoking, I didn't really think it should be banned completely in public places. Restrictions, yes, but to ban it altogether seemed wildly over the top.

Still, as an ex-smoker, it is bloody funny to see them all huddled up outside the pubs...


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Oh yes, it does. by Tonatiuh (2.00 / 0) #13 Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 12:23:04 PM EST
Try pissing on the street (even in a salubrious place like a tree in a park) or shagging a beautiful damsel in public, or perhaps making too much noise in a block of flats at 1:00am.

These activities harm nobody and still normally are regulated in any civilized society (for good or evil).

The Galileos of this world nowadays are rather the exception than the rule, if the premise was fundamentally flawed a credible authority would have relented from similar bans somewhere (specially keeping in mind how lucrative is smoking from a public accounts point of view, at least in the short term).


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Well maybe I'm just not remembering by TheophileEscargot (4.00 / 1) #15 Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 09:57:51 PM EST
But I don't recall anyone claiming that hearing loud noises at 1AM gives you ear cancer. Or that seeing someone having sex in public gives you Passive AIDS. Or that the smell of a pissed-on tree gives you heart disease.

Besides which, if you're kept awake by loud noise in your apartment building, then you're being inconvenienced on your own property. Whereas if you go into a pub which allows smoking, it's your choice to enter that property.

There were non-smoking pubs before the ban: the whole J.D. Wetherspoons chain for instance. As I've said before though, they just weren't very popular because the kind of people who complained about smoke in pub are generally the kind of people who don't go to pubs very often.
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You sure the whole chain was smoke-free? by Cloaked User (4.00 / 1) #16 Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 07:53:38 AM EST
I remember some press about it, but I don't remember ever going in to one and thinking "Oh hey, no-one's smoking".

Yes, it's my choice to go to a pub that allows smoking, but I've never seen one that doesn't. Given that going for a drink in a pub generally allows a geographically-disparate group of people somewhere reasonably convenient for all to meet, I effectively had the choice of going and smelling of smoke the next day, or never going drinking.

I'm actually in two minds about the ban, but the whole "you could go to a non-smoking pub" thing just doesn't ring true to me, as I never found any. I can't say I looked particularly hard though.

Oh and as for having sex, I don't know if you can still be charged with it but do it and be seen by a child and you could be looking at a charge of corrupting a minor. No, it's not passive aids, but it's still "passive harm" in a sense (and just as silly).


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Yes, the whole chain did it by TheophileEscargot (2.00 / 0) #18 Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 12:23:51 PM EST
In the case of you and your friends, the choice should be that of you and your friends. I'd prefer to meet in a real ale pub, but I don't try to insist that the government makes that compulsory...
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Well, I'm not arguing by Cloaked User (2.00 / 0) #19 Fri Jan 11, 2008 at 04:52:12 AM EST
But I certainly don't remember ever going in to a Wetherspoons and noticing that it was no-smoking throughout (prior to the ban, of course). It's possible that I simply missed it I guess.

Yes it should be our choice, but I stand by the fact that despite living and working in London I have never been aware of a smoke-free pub. I can't say I really looked, so perhaps they did exist and I simply didn't know about them. However I don't avoid Wetherspoons pubs and never noticed them being smoke free.

If the choice was there, it certainly wasn't well-enough publicized that an occasional, reasonably light drinker working in the west end of London was aware of it.


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Well by R Mutt (2.00 / 0) #20 Fri Jan 11, 2008 at 05:09:42 AM EST
They did their best to publicize it and they're a pretty big chain.

What I suspect is, you and a lot of other non-smokers went in Wetherspoons pubs and never actually noticed, because the clothes-smelling-of-smoke thing wasn't a big enough deal to actually register a difference.

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...or perhaps not by Cloaked User (2.00 / 0) #21 Sun Jan 13, 2008 at 01:43:15 PM EST
Pub chain JD Wetherspoon has decided to delay its plans to bring in a complete smoking ban at its pubs in England.

The company, which planned to introduce the measure in May 2006, now will wait until the government's smoking ban takes effect in the middle of 2007.

Of its 650 pubs, 49 already are smoke free, Wetherspoon's said.

From the first link on your Google search. I've had a skim of the rest of the first page of links (50 with my preferences), and don't see any that contradict that one (although obviously I've not actually followed every link!). This one from 6 months later speaks of "almost 100 non-smoking pubs in total", with 56 in England and Wales.

I remember them announcing that they were going to go smoke free, and I remember visiting a few of their pubs every so often over the time between that and the total ban, and I don't remember any of them actually being smoke-free (other than in small designated areas, which isn't quite the same...). I still do not believe that prior to the ban I was ever in a totally smoke-free pub.


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Google results change by R Mutt (2.00 / 0) #22 Sun Jan 13, 2008 at 09:40:17 PM EST
I believe the one next to the cinema in Hammersmith went smoke-free before the ban. Either way, there were smoke-free pubs around.

I still think you were in one or several and didn't notice. It tends to be a characteristic of that personality type. Example: if you put a spoon in the knife section of the drawer, as soon as they notice there's drama and hysteria and this-is-the-worst-thing-ever. However, when they see knives and spoons in the appropriate sections, there isn't an equivalent burst of joy: they just don't notice at all and find something else to whine about.

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Not an ad hominem surely? by Cloaked User (2.00 / 0) #23 Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 02:14:09 AM EST
I'm not disputing the possibility that I didn't notice I was in a smoke free pub and wasn't aware of it, but that's the whole point; even if I was, I wasn't aware of it. Choices cannot be made if awareness isn't there.

Look, I'm not even arguing in favour of the ban, I'm just arguing that saying that those who would prefer a non-smoking pub had a choice isn't entirely true, as as far as the vast majority of us were aware the choice was "smoking pub" or "no pub". Even if all of Wetherspoon's pubs were smoke free (which it seems they weren't), that's still a fairly small drop in the ocean.

Personally I like the ban because it removes temptation, and because there's no chance of my clothes smelling of smoke the next day (didn't always happen, but definitely did happen sometimes). I dislike the ban because I'm uneasy about the ever-expanding nanny state and erosion of choice in the face of other people mandating what is best for me. I'm ambivalent, basically.


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Oh go on! by Tonatiuh (2.00 / 0) #24 Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 11:50:56 PM EST
You said

"Doesn't generally enforce politeness by coercion and the law." referring to the state.

To which I saids, yes it does and provided devastating examples.

The funny points about ear cancer and passive AIDS don't really address the point I made, but have my imagination flying...

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Perhaps more importantly by nebbish (4.00 / 1) #9 Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 02:55:55 AM EST
As someone who only smokes when they have a drink, the smoking ban has had a massive effect on the amount I smoke and I can see myself giving up without too much trouble in the future.

Having said that, it still sucks.

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It is for your own good. by Tonatiuh (2.00 / 0) #14 Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 12:24:16 PM EST
We, the non smokers, know best :-P

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IAWTP by Cloaked User (2.00 / 0) #17 Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 07:56:09 AM EST
That's one of my main arguments for the ban (I have others, and a number against) - when I get drunk with friends and one or more of those friends smoke, I end up smoking. I don't want to smoke. Yes, I should exercise more willpower; but not being tempted in the first place makes that even easier.

It's nice not waking up the next morning with my clothes stinking of smoke too, of course.


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