Server girl for selling him a beer   1 vote - 6 %
Drunk guy for being a scumbag   5 votes - 33 %
BadDoggie since he's supposedly in charge   1 vote - 6 %
No one. Shit happens.   8 votes - 53 %
15 Total Votes
It depends. by ObviousTroll (2.00 / 0) #1 Mon Feb 19, 2007 at 04:45:37 PM EST
Maybe he was a scumbag. Maybe he had a really bad day.

Maybe the cops were letting him walk down the road to hell, or maybe all he needed was another chance.

Always vote on the side of hope.

It was an American tradition, like fathers chasing kids around with power tools.

Hrm by Dr Thrustgood (2.00 / 0) #2 Tue Feb 20, 2007 at 04:04:13 AM EST
I know I'm an arsehole at the best of times, but was all of that really worth it for the sake of a single Euro?

It was three euros and this is Germany. by BadDoggie (2.00 / 0) #4 Tue Feb 20, 2007 at 06:22:26 AM EST
It's the mindset, really. It's called something-something-lässige something-or-other-ung and it's Not Done.


OMG WE'RE FUCKED! -- duxup ?

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I've been the manager of a bar before . . . by slozo (2.00 / 0) #3 Tue Feb 20, 2007 at 04:55:23 AM EST
. . . one far less reputable than the bistro you describe here. I can't for the life of me imagine why you called the cops - especially since as you said you could've taken care of him physically.

The girl could've eaten the loss in money (basically her fault) and you would have solved the problem (partly your fault for letting it happen). Then, you get to share stories with the regulars about kicking out a guy, and you look like a hero.

If Germany is anything like Canada, the cops now have your bistro on a list of places that cause trouble (especially with the ridiculous crowd you had going there!). You may be visited again, now . . .

Well... well there then now... by ReallyEvilCanine (2.00 / 0) #5 Tue Feb 20, 2007 at 06:31:41 AM EST
See my answer to Thrusty.

We ate the loss and frankly I was at the point where I just wanted him the fuck out. It was at THAT point he decided to become someone belligerent and that's where the line is drawn here. Furthermore, I turned out to be right about him being a former Yugoslavian. Our problem with weapons is growing here in Yerp. Only after the cops patted him down completely did I know he wasn't armed.

Technically I could have probably used force but even touching someone -- pushing him away from you, for example -- can be grounds for a criminal charge against you for battery. We are not the kind of place that wants to be known for those sort of people even coming in, much less having any sort of need to deal with problems physically.

If we had regular occurrences of this sort of problem that'd be one thing but this was a one-off. Hasn't happened for years, prolly won't again for years. The cops aren't paying any attention to us.

I'm now off to tell the boss everything that happened face-to-face (couldn't call before) and offer my resignation if he wants it with no ill-will. He's got a business to run and this is the second load of bullshit in as many months, though totally unrelated. If he feels I'm bad for his business then it's a simple decision: Bye-bye, BD, and I might well do the same thing in his shoes.

Son of a bitch.

the internet: amplifier of stupidity -- discordia

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So if in Germany it's a social no-no . . . by slozo (2.00 / 0) #7 Tue Feb 20, 2007 at 08:36:52 AM EST
. . . to have let him go without paying the full amount, did he actually end up paying? I thought you said he didn't have enough money anyways . . .

Fair enough if you thought he had a weapon - but not having mentioned it in your story, I'm not so sure it was an actual concern? Maybe I'm just being picky . . . in any case, do you know the tresspassing laws of Germany well? The general public usually doesn't; but here in Ontario (it's actually a provincial law), once a person has been told to vacate the premises and refuses to do so, under reasonable grounds and using a reasonable amount of force, it is legal to physically make them leave. Most western countries should have some similarities to this provision . . .

Good luck keeping your job.

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The loss by Dr Thrustgood (4.00 / 1) #6 Tue Feb 20, 2007 at 08:34:03 AM EST
Not to mention how little was lost due to lack of drinking whilst the cops were in action. That's why I would've let it drop.

</evil capitalism>

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