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Will the Clevia Indians ever win another game?

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Is it surprising? by ucblockhead (2.00 / 0) #1 Fri May 12, 2006 at 07:14:05 AM EST

No...is it right?

I know I'm switching to QWest.

Interesting fact: if a company gives your records to the government without a warrant, it can be fined $1000. Per record.
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What counts as a record? by DesiredUsername (2.00 / 0) #4 Fri May 12, 2006 at 07:31:21 AM EST

Is my entire file a record or is each phone call one? And can I get a cut of that fine?

I think the best of this whole story was CNN's headline yesterday: "Bush: YHNBT".

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My guess is that they're sending switch records by lm (4.00 / 1) #6 Fri May 12, 2006 at 08:07:47 AM EST

Which would mean that everytime your phone sends a communication to the switch (a request for a dialtone, receiving a busy signal, hanging up, etc.) the government is getting the data. These are the records that most providers use for billing. I'd say that there is a small chance that they're using a consortium format (such as CIBER) which providers use to send call records back and forth to each other, but I'd bet that the feds prefer the raw switch data and to do the conversions themselves. Unless things have changed since I've last worked with CIBER records, (2000 or so) they're fixed width fields and lost a lot of information that would be interesting to the feds.

If I'm correct, it means that the feds also know everytime you started to dial a number and didn't finish because each of those dtmf tones hits the switch individually.

I used to work for a mobile device billing software. When software testing was my primarily responsibility I wrote some perl scripts to find call records that met the criteria that we needed to test. There is quite a bit of data in those records that many people don't realize at first. For example, the records identify the switch that created the record. It wouldn't take a rocket scientist to search through the data and approximate not only who you were talking to on the phone but where you were when you were doing so.

I also heard a comp sci guy on the radio yesterday afternoon that the real value to the feds will come from building a network of individuals assocaited with ``bad'' numbers. You could, for example, build a list of everyone that regularly calls the NYC Democratic Club headquarters and all of the people that they regular call who've never called the headquarters but who are in regular phone contact with with more than one person who does.

The biggest concern for me is if the providers are also providing billing information. This would allow the feds to correlate addresses along with phone numbers.

I don't think that most people really understand the magnitude of this project.

Kindness is an act of rebellion.

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I heard that same guy by DesiredUsername (2.00 / 0) #7 Fri May 12, 2006 at 08:11:31 AM EST

I couldn't help but think what a fun problem it would be to work on, too.

Phone number to address correlation can already be done by existing databases.

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: WIth regards to public records, yes by lm (2.00 / 0) #9 Fri May 12, 2006 at 08:23:47 AM EST

But I'm specifically thinking correlating mobile phones to both billing addresses via subscriber records and actual addresses via switch locations which are in turn correlated with other numbers in the same location.
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Number to address by ad hoc (2.00 / 0) #10 Fri May 12, 2006 at 08:27:01 AM EST

you can already do that. You can by CDs with that information. Or just go to http://www.anywho.com/rl.html and do a reverse lookup. It's the same database.
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For listed landlines, sure by lm (2.00 / 0) #12 Fri May 12, 2006 at 08:29:22 AM EST

But public reverse lookups don't normally carry mobile phone billing addresses or unlisted numbers.

Kindness is an act of rebellion.

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: True, but those databases exist by ad hoc (2.00 / 0) #13 Fri May 12, 2006 at 08:30:13 AM EST

and they aren't hard to get.
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Worse than that by Bob Abooey (2.00 / 0) #11 Fri May 12, 2006 at 08:29:07 AM EST

Let say the guy who runs the 7/11 store, Addul, gets a call from his second cousin in Syria, Rachmani, who happens to have roomed with a member of Al Quidea while at the uni. So he's on the terra list.

The feds look at this and they then look at who Abdul called, and they then look at the list of who those people called etc etc, which could be you or me, even though we're in no way connected with the terra-ists. This could then lead to the Feds putting us on a "suspicious" list and possibly even monitoring our lives.

I would really like to know how they're weeding out who is a bad guy from who isn't from that list.

Warmest regards,
--Your best pal Bob

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I don't think that's worse by lm (2.00 / 0) #14 Fri May 12, 2006 at 08:30:51 AM EST

But only because I imagine that it will happen with far less frequency. There are relatively few people suspected of terrorism, but the president's enemies are legion.

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Actually, that doesn't worry me too much by DesiredUsername (2.00 / 0) #15 Fri May 12, 2006 at 08:40:30 AM EST

I'm sure the traffic analysis guys get more evidence than "made a single phone to $X" before they put you into the suspicious pool. (although whether the political guys wait for evidence, particularly if they are under pressure to turn up some "guilty" parties, is another story)

I'm more or less ignoring the question of if the system is effective. Even if it is catching all and only terrorists, it is still illegal and the reason it is illegal is it will be abused even if it isn't now (sha, as though).

Once again, the question to the brainwashed nutjobs that would support Bush if he ate a live baby on TV is: "When Hillary Clinton is President, will she have the 'inherent authority' to track you and your fellow church members?"

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Right... That's the crux by Bob Abooey (2.00 / 0) #16 Fri May 12, 2006 at 08:48:31 AM EST

Politicians tend to focus on today, as opposed to what makes good sense in the long run. I was just thinking last night about how the right-wing would be reacting right now if William J Clinton was doing this instead of Bush. I'll give you dollars to donuts they'd be revving up the impeachment machine again.

What we really need is for someone to get wronged by this so we can take it to the courts. Ah, well, then again with all the Bush judges that may not even be a good thing.

re: I'm not so sure about the single-call theory. These terra guys who are in cells don't communicate with other cells on a regular basis (or so I understand, I have no first hand knowledge), so maybe one call out of the blue is just as important a metric as calling three times a week.

Warmest regards,
--Your best pal Bob

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Well apparently by DesiredUsername (2.00 / 0) #18 Fri May 12, 2006 at 08:50:34 AM EST

Either they don't call either other at all or there are no terrorists in the US, because in 5 years how many vast terror plots have been uncovered?

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That's because they're short on translators by lm (4.00 / 2) #19 Fri May 12, 2006 at 08:54:10 AM EST

If only they were able to translate the numbers that were dialed on those calls from Arabic to English, then they could have foiled 9/11.

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Let me tighten that up a bit for you by DesiredUsername (2.00 / 0) #20 Fri May 12, 2006 at 09:04:16 AM EST

"If only they were able to translate the numerals that were dialed on those calls from Arabic to Roman, then they could have voided IX/XI."

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Almost by lm (2.00 / 0) #21 Fri May 12, 2006 at 09:07:58 AM EST

It's VIIII/XI.

The Romans never used the convention of using one of a lesser digit prior to a greater digit rather than four consecutive lesser digits. That was a modern innovation.

Aside from that, you're spoiling a perfectly good joke. You're supposed to play along, not get pedantic.

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No, I'm making it funny by DesiredUsername (2.00 / 0) #22 Fri May 12, 2006 at 09:15:25 AM EST

Also, I've heard of this supposed rule but irregardless "VIIII" is dumb.

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: You only think that is dumb ... by lm (2.00 / 0) #23 Fri May 12, 2006 at 09:16:30 AM EST

Because you're too dense to understand Nietzsche.
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They're uncovering plots on a daily basis by Bob Abooey (4.00 / 1) #24 Fri May 12, 2006 at 09:18:51 AM EST

That's why we haven't been attached since 2001.

They just don't tell us about it because it would be a risk to national security.

Warmest regards,
--Your best pal Bob

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: Is that also why by DesiredUsername (4.00 / 1) #26 Fri May 12, 2006 at 09:24:11 AM EST

you haven't told us about your terra repellent underpants until now?

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Wronged by ad hoc (2.00 / 0) #28 Fri May 12, 2006 at 09:30:55 AM EST

It wouldn't make any difference. Just look at Wen Ho Lee.
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The point being by Bob Abooey (2.00 / 0) #30 Fri May 12, 2006 at 09:44:35 AM EST

They can't test the legality of it in courts unless someone claims to have been wronged by it. At least that's my limited understanding based upon stuff I hear on NPR.

Warmest regards,
--Your best pal Bob

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: But he's fighting TARISTS by ad hoc (2.00 / 0) #32 Fri May 12, 2006 at 10:25:01 AM EST

don't shackle The Man with things like legalities.
All's fair in love and war and by god, this is war!
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Makes you wonder by Bob Abooey (4.00 / 2) #5 Fri May 12, 2006 at 07:33:45 AM EST

If the whole thing is leagal, taking phone records without a warrant that is, then why would they let Qwest say no??? Makes no sense.

History will not smile on these pig fuckers, or the right-wing nutjob rubes who voted them into office.

Warmest regards,
--Your best pal Bob

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: Unfortunately by blixco (4.00 / 1) #8 Fri May 12, 2006 at 08:21:58 AM EST

the threat of history rarely persuades evil men to change. And it is hollow vindication at best.
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helloooo SHAMROCK by LinDze (4.00 / 1) #33 Fri May 12, 2006 at 03:37:21 PM EST

Dosnt anyone remember the whole congressional hearing fiasco after SHAMROCK/MINARET came to light? Congress reiterated that the NSA isnt allowed to even look at a US Citizen without congressional approval. Furthermore the NSA isnt allowed to even cooperate with any domestic agency without congressional oversight.

The standing NSA rules are (were?) if either end point is in US territory they can not touch it. If either end point is suspected or plausibly a US citizen they cant touch it. So im real curious here as to what legislation slipped by me in the past few years that changed these rules. My guess is either A) nothing or B) a classified Executive Order.

Any, the kicker to all the statements is "and associates". This means theyre tracking anyone with any plausible connection to a previous suspect. So Mr Queda read K5 once? Now youre all "associates".

-Lin Dze
Arbeit Macht Frei

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Indians by jayhawk88 (2.00 / 0) #2 Fri May 12, 2006 at 07:24:12 AM EST

So the Royals already a fifth of the way to 100 losses means I'm not paying a whole lot of attention to the AL Central yet this year, but are the Tribe really as bad as that Royals sweep would suggest, or was it just a fluke? I mean I know that probably no one is going to touch the White Sox this year, but I was under the impression that Cleveland had a decent shot at 2nd place at least?

: We've got a few issues by Bob Abooey (2.00 / 0) #3 Fri May 12, 2006 at 07:30:49 AM EST

We're scoring runs like a crack-head on payday (leading the league with 6 runs per game) but the pitching has yet to, uh, gel, as it were. Losing three to the Royales was a real blow. The fans have been going completely apeshit over the whole thing. Mass suicides, etc etc., it's been a tough week.
I think they'll get it worked out enough to finish in 2nd but the damn ChiSox look pretty tough again this year so 1st is out of reach. I'm upgrading the ChiSox from "possible fluke" to "likely the real deal" as they're not slowing down at all. Bastards.
Warmest regards,
--Your best pal Bob
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how long by LilFlightTest (2.00 / 0) #17 Fri May 12, 2006 at 08:49:21 AM EST

has it been since you've been to subway? they have this concept called the "toasted" sub...i dont know how they blast-heat those things, but they come out delicious.
Send me to Austria!

I went there on Monday by Bob Abooey (2.00 / 0) #25 Fri May 12, 2006 at 09:21:37 AM EST

Sometimes I go for the toasted bun thing and sometimes I pass. It depends how much of a hurry I'm in. Plus I hate having to stand there and look at the goofy Subway worker for 30 seconds while the blast furnace is toasting my food.

But yeah, it does seem to amplify the flavour.

Warmest regards,
--Your best pal Bob

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: i just wondered by LilFlightTest (2.00 / 0) #27 Fri May 12, 2006 at 09:26:38 AM EST

because you said you wanted something hot...
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Don't worry, Mr. Abooey... by superdiva (2.00 / 0) #29 Fri May 12, 2006 at 09:41:31 AM EST

Cleveland Indians play Detroit Tigers tonight, and I'm positive Cleveland will get a win off Detroit. Unfortunately the NBA is a different story.

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: The Tigres are better this year by Bob Abooey (2.00 / 0) #31 Fri May 12, 2006 at 09:45:59 AM EST

Lots better.
Plus it's supposed to rain tonight so the game may be rained out.
Warmest regards,
--Your best pal Bob
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