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By anonimouse (Fri May 08, 2015 at 03:58:20 AM EST) (all tags)
Anonimouse does Sun headlines.

Another 5 years of Conservatives.



I couldn't resist

So we've lost most of the Liberal Democrats, the Conservatives have taken over England, and the SNP have taken over Scotland.

Not a fan of Labour, but Jim Murphy's speech about Labours wipeout in Scotland was very eloquent.

Heads Roll
Clegg and Farage1 have resigned, Milliband likely to follow going too.

1. Although it sounded like he was taking a leave of absence instead of resigning

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Surely by jump the ladder (2.00 / 0) #1 Fri May 08, 2015 at 07:45:42 AM EST
You must be happy with the result apart from Scotland.

I actually by anonimouse (4.00 / 1) #2 Fri May 08, 2015 at 08:04:41 AM EST
quite liked the Liberal Democrats reigning back some of the more extreme Conservative elements,


Girls come and go but a mortgage is for 25 years -- JtL
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Yeah by jump the ladder (2.00 / 0) #4 Fri May 08, 2015 at 08:36:41 AM EST
Was hoping they would do the job in this election. Basically doing the job of the dwindling One Nation Tories like Ken Clarke.

I guess I'm moderate Pro-European Tory/Orange Book Lib-Dem.

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4 million UKIP votes - 1 MP by gmd (2.00 / 0) #3 Fri May 08, 2015 at 08:21:34 AM EST
Any pretence the UK has of being a democracy is dead in the water.

SNP got less than half this number of votes but got around 50 seats.

not sure what is the answer to this massive under representation of The English, but it's clear any government Cameron forms lacks legitimacy.

im not hopeful cast iron Dave will honour his referendum promise either.



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I didn't want UKIP in by anonimouse (2.00 / 0) #5 Fri May 08, 2015 at 09:00:36 AM EST
...so I'm not crying over that.

All voting systems have their flaws. Having a system which has a very local representative inevitably will reduce proportionality.


Girls come and go but a mortgage is for 25 years -- JtL
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Yeah by gmd (2.00 / 0) #7 Fri May 08, 2015 at 03:43:42 PM EST
 but under a proportional system UKIP would have around 80 seats instead of one, so you're basically supporting FPTP because it gives a result you like... 

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No by anonimouse (2.00 / 0) #8 Fri May 08, 2015 at 04:01:51 PM EST
I support FPTP because if gives you a member which represents your area. I'm not pretending its perfect.


Girls come and go but a mortgage is for 25 years -- JtL
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Much as I dislike UKIP by Herring (4.00 / 2) #9 Fri May 08, 2015 at 06:34:03 PM EST
because their policies (most of which don't last longer than a week anyway) are inconsistent and stupid, this is a travesty.

Something that's been doing the rounds on Twitter and the like is this. How many votes to elect an MP:
SNP 25,972
CON 34,244
LAB 40,290
LD 301,986
GRN 1,157,613
UKIP 3,881,129

I would favour both houses being elected (because the Lords is stupid). The person representing your area is a good thing - our MP has helped us personally. However, that MP would still have won on AV.

So, maybe the answer is to combine the systems. Have one house with constituency representatives - possibly selected by AV. Maybe adopt a system where they serve something like 6 year terms with a third replaced every 2 years to give them a longer term view. Then the second house elect either on pure PR or some sort of STV system.

christ, we're all old now - StackyMcRacky

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If the people want inconsistent and stupid by gmd (2.00 / 0) #10 Fri May 08, 2015 at 06:58:41 PM EST
then in a democracy that it what they should get. It is elitist to suggest otherwise. 

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Yes, but noooo by anonimouse (2.00 / 0) #11 Sat May 09, 2015 at 06:10:30 AM EST
My objection to the two year rolling elections, is that the ConDem government would not have been able to drive through its economic policies if its deep unpopularity by year 2 had been allowed to boot it out of office. 

AV has similar flaws, and TBH I doubt UKIP would have benefited much; many Conservatives would have run to LibDem or even Labour before voting UKIP. in their preference order.

As for the House of Lords/2nd Chamber, I'd like to keep it a revising chamber rather than a powerful political body somewhat akin to the US Senate.


Girls come and go but a mortgage is for 25 years -- JtL
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Well by Herring (2.00 / 0) #12 Sat May 09, 2015 at 09:32:23 AM EST
some countries seem to have no problem with continuing minority governments. If it means policies have to be argued on reason and logic rather than rampant ideology then I'm for it.

christ, we're all old now - StackyMcRacky
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It's not even rampant ideology by gmd (2.00 / 0) #13 Sun May 10, 2015 at 01:59:22 PM EST
 its rampant tribalism.

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tribalism, sure by infinitera (2.00 / 0) #14 Sun May 10, 2015 at 03:55:17 PM EST
But the tribes are full of lizards.

[…] a professional layabout. Which I aspire to be, but am not yet. — CheeseburgerBrown

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ConDem Nation by ana (2.00 / 0) #6 Fri May 08, 2015 at 09:30:55 AM EST
Now merely a Con game.

And we were days from starvation until those missionaries knocked on our door. We made Alfred Packer stew. --georgeha

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