meanwhile, we have people saying no more fossil fuels, less roads, dense urban housing -- in other words, a much lower standard of living than has existed in the west since around the 1950s. you know what these places have a lot of? fossil fuels. you know what you need to ship things and maintain a reasonable economy? roads and rail. you know what you don't need? jungles.
yeah, so after all the currently developed countries cut down all the trees on their densely forested claims and lived the high life for however many centuries, everyone else should work on building tightly integrated agrarian economies in harmony with nature -- because, guys, we really need those trees.
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