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By anonimouse (Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 06:53:06 AM EST) (all tags)
..with some silly poll answers. 

So who has a solution to the Middle East?


 As far as I can tell, we seem to be damned if we send troops in, sending arms seems to have unintended consequences, and so does doing nothing.

The Iraqi army seems to be doing a fine job of getting volunteers and then running away from the sound of gunfire as fast as possible.
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Oh! Oh! I do! by StackyMcRacky (4.00 / 4) #1 Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 08:54:38 AM EST
communism!!  since everybody refuses to play nicely, they all have to be oppressed with no religion.

you're welcome.

WIPO: form up a British Protectorate of Palestine by lm (4.00 / 1) #2 Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 08:55:35 AM EST
What could possibly go wrong?

As for ISIS, that should be a job for the Arab League.

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Off the topic of solutions, I expect an independent Kurdistan to be one consequence of what's going on in Iraq right now.


There is no more degenerate kind of state than that in which the richest are supposed to be the best.
Cicero, The Republic
do we do that by bobdole (2.00 / 0) #10 Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 02:45:28 PM EST
before or after we install a new puppet Shah in Iran?
-- The revolution will not be televised.
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Turkey will not tolerate ind. Kurdistan. by ammoniacal (2.00 / 0) #18 Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 04:13:38 AM EST
No way, no how.

"To this day that was the most bullshit caesar salad I have every experienced..." - triggerfinger

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Yada yada yada by lm (2.00 / 0) #19 Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 09:16:01 AM EST
Turkey doesn't have much say unless you think that they're willing to invade a nation state that the US is willing to provide arms to. What are they going to do to stop such a thing, quit NATO?

And, should it happen that the Iraqi government fail, Turkey might prefer an independent Kurdistan to some of the alternatives.


There is no more degenerate kind of state than that in which the richest are supposed to be the best.
Cicero, The Republic
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It wouldn't be the firsr time by ammoniacal (2.00 / 0) #24 Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 11:27:08 PM EST
that a nation exited NATO.

"To this day that was the most bullshit caesar salad I have every experienced..." - triggerfinger

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You think that Turkey is going to exit NATO? by lm (2.00 / 0) #26 Fri Aug 15, 2014 at 05:53:43 AM EST
I suppose that it's possible but it's not likely so long as ISIS and Turkey are on their border. Not to mention that judging by recent relations, Turkey far prefers the Iraqi Kurds to anything in Baghdad.

There is no more degenerate kind of state than that in which the richest are supposed to be the best.
Cicero, The Republic
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Boom by Merekat (4.00 / 1) #3 Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 09:10:58 AM EST
I believe it is a Julian May novel in which they all basically nuke themselves into oblivion, resulting in the middle east being unsuitable for live and triggering a massive peace movement which enables alien intervention.

That seems as realistic as anything else at this point.

The obvious solution by wiredog (4.00 / 2) #4 Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 10:11:12 AM EST
From Texas.

Earth First!
(We can strip mine the rest later.)

Pah by Gedvondur (4.00 / 1) #5 Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 10:20:56 AM EST
It's Easy.

Copies of Atlas Shrugged in Arabic and Hebrew.

Links to Mises.org and the Daily Paul.

Then BAM!

Suddenly the NAP takes effect and a PEFECT LIBERTARIAN SOCIETY emerges, with no GOVERNMENTS (which do all the wars) and PROPERTY being the only law!


LIBERTARIAN MIDDLE EASTERN PARADISE ACHIEVED!




With a slight correction by gmd (2.00 / 0) #8 Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 01:24:53 PM EST
 Due to your commonplace misunderstanding of what Libertarianism means.

Instead of "property" being the only law, try "non initiation of force" being the only law.

It's the willingness of people to collectively or individually coerce others that is at the root of all war.

the Middle East could easily become a libertarian paradise if they would all stop coercing each other, and take individual responsibility for their self ownership.


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Oh yes, the NAP by Gedvondur (4.00 / 1) #9 Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 01:27:11 PM EST
It's non initiation of force until someone is on MAH PROPERTAH, then it's guns-a-blazing.

The post was ironic because the Israel-Palestine conflict is over PROPERTY.  In specific Gaza and Israel itself. 


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No. by gmd (4.00 / 1) #11 Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 02:45:48 PM EST
 You completely miss the point.

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See, property is part of you ... by lm (4.00 / 1) #15 Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 07:10:43 PM EST
... that's why capital entails the right to profits.

If someone is on your property, unless you've consented, they've just assaulted you.


There is no more degenerate kind of state than that in which the richest are supposed to be the best.
Cicero, The Republic
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Self-correcting when the oil runs out. by ammoniacal (2.00 / 0) #6 Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 12:48:44 PM EST
The surviving Arab states will be begging Israel for food when the money runs out.

"To this day that was the most bullshit caesar salad I have every experienced..." - triggerfinger

Exept for the ones by gmd (2.00 / 0) #7 Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 01:19:37 PM EST
 With massive sovereign wealth funds, who own much of the USA, EU and UK.

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ownership of property by bobdole (2.00 / 0) #12 Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 02:47:22 PM EST
requires recognition.

Rights are only useful if you have the power to enforce them.
-- The revolution will not be televised.

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Surely... by ucblockhead (2.00 / 0) #13 Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 03:39:45 PM EST
You understand that if an unarmed small country holds lots of fiat currency from a large, massively armed country, they can't do a whole hell of a lot of that large, massively armed country decides by fiat that said currency is worth something different, right?
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[ucblockhead is] useless and subhuman
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Unfortunately by anonimouse (2.00 / 0) #14 Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 03:45:31 PM EST
It can only decide that currency is worth something substantially different by pissing off its own population and/or causing inflation 

Girls come and go but a mortgage is for 25 years -- JtL
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Good thing they own real assets too then by marvin (4.00 / 1) #16 Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 09:50:46 PM EST
Land, stocks and similar assets are not as affected by changes to fiat currency. A lot of the sovereign fund holdings are based on real estate and equities. There are bonds as well, and those would go "poof", but as an uncle-in-law says, "land is one thing they're not making any more of".

The US has spent 40 years devaluing their currency. Seizing foreign assets would pretty much end international trade with the US. As for the armaments, how many different conflicts could the US sustain at one time in a world where almost everyone (except their northern lapdogs) is turned against them?

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Armaments by ucblockhead (2.00 / 0) #21 Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 02:53:45 PM EST
The US Navy makes the US essentially invulnerable to anything but nukes, should it ever decide to stop sending its military to other shores.
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[ucblockhead is] useless and subhuman
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Fortress America by marvin (2.00 / 0) #23 Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 09:12:56 PM EST
Without world trade, how long would that last until it crumbled from within? After devaluation, people won't be able to continue purchasing cheap plastic stuff from China at Wal-Mart.

The EIA claims 40% of the crude oil used by the US was net imports, with half of those from outside the western hemisphere. Who will sell fuel to a country that devalues currency and seizes foreign assets? Petroleum will be reserved for the military, farms, public transit, trucking, shipping, railways, and the 1%.

Can a country be invulnerable to itself?

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And they'll liquidate to feed the masses, right? by ammoniacal (2.00 / 0) #17 Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 03:59:46 AM EST
I smell a bloodbath, though I'll be dead before it finally comes to pass.

"To this day that was the most bullshit caesar salad I have every experienced..." - triggerfinger

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There are income producing assets in there. by gmd (4.00 / 1) #22 Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 04:38:52 PM EST
 Rentable buildings and the like, there is.a cash flow, that's kind of the whole point.

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Offer unlimited emigration by georgeha (4.00 / 1) #20 Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 12:04:36 PM EST
to a peaceful part of America where no racial strife exists, maybe Missouri?


I vote for Utah. by ammoniacal (4.00 / 1) #25 Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 11:33:37 PM EST
Man, that would be fucking awesome.

"To this day that was the most bullshit caesar salad I have every experienced..." - triggerfinger

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Build a Time Machine by jimgon (2.00 / 0) #27 Fri Aug 15, 2014 at 08:49:31 PM EST
 Go back in time and don't invade Iraq. 




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