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By nathan (Thu Jul 10, 2014 at 02:37:37 PM EST) cycling, nathan (all tags)
Sadly, consistent lifting seems to be on the back burner. I'm too busy at work and I like to see my family sometimes. However, I'm reluctant to give up lifting entirely. ITT you give me advice.


I probably can't hit the weights (including my weights at home) 3x week for any kind of program. It takes me 45 minutes to lift moving at an aggressive pace, more if I'm going for volume (like Smolov, Smolov Jr., GVT, etc., all of which I've played with). Texas method seems doable if I confine it to a single lift, probably front squat supplementing with Bulgarian split squat + RDL since I don't have a squat rack -- but, again, that's doing 5x5 of three lifts back to back on Fridays to try to get it done in only 30 minutes or so of near-constant lifting.

OTOH I was up till 2 last night drafting a trust agreement and I eventually decided to keep my sanity, such as it is, by doing push ups every time I signed off on one of the articles. I did 5 x 32, 1 x 24 for 184 over the course of, IDK, 90 minutes or so, so even spreading it out you can really get a lot done. I generally try to be home by 9 and log on from home if necessary, and I think push ups, pull ups, wall sits, back bridges, wrestler's bridges, hanging leg lifts, vertical-trunk push ups and so forth can be usefully distributed through the evening routine without requiring dedicated gym time in my basement ignoring everyone. Especially if I'm working late after everyone has gone to bed.

Therefore, I'm thinking about looking into this bodyweight-y stuff in more depth. I already have a weight vest and a chain belt to hang plates from, so I can add weight to stuff without too much trouble.

Questions:

1) Is this just dumb and a way of avoiding lifting?
2) How much worse is this for strength development than lifting?
3) Does anyone have a bodyweight-style method that doesn't (a) plunge immediately into levers off rings (Beastskills), (b) have a bunch of obvious snake oil slathered all over (Convict Conditioning), (c) have a bunch of CrossFit©™®℠℗ nonsense and broscience? I had a look at Overcoming Gravity and I guess if I have to it contains the necessary ingredients to roll my own, but it would be nice to use something that does what it says on the can and leave it at that.
4) I was thinking about making some parallettes from PVC and using those to add static L, tuck planche etc. Anyone have any experience doing this sort of thing? It seems like 5 minutes of static holds is an intense workout already.
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No squat rack? In 2014? by ammoniacal (4.00 / 1) #1 Thu Jul 10, 2014 at 08:59:18 PM EST
How in the fuck can you call yourself a lawyer with a home gym like that?

"To this day that was the most bullshit caesar salad I have every experienced..." - triggerfinger

my basement is full of toys and books by nathan (4.00 / 1) #3 Thu Jul 10, 2014 at 11:11:39 PM EST
And kids' clothing (#3 is on the way). In ten years, I'll clear it out and have space. My office gym is in a really nice new building and it doesn't have a squat rack either. Lifting heavy is not really mainstream yet. 

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I've used parallettes by gzt (4.00 / 1) #2 Thu Jul 10, 2014 at 09:20:36 PM EST
they're okay - pvc should hold up.

ross enamait is like convict conditioning, except not snake oil. "never gymless" is probably what you want for no or little equipment.

another option is kettlebells, but a lot of people do it with snake oil. the best guide for it is pavel tsatsouline, but there's a lot of snake oil slathered on.

if specifically lifting, the 5/3/1 method is extremely flexible, but particularly minimal routines need to be paired up with something else like conditioning.

i really hate snake oil by nathan (2.00 / 0) #4 Thu Jul 10, 2014 at 11:13:52 PM EST
Tsatsouline has like a million books, too (and he obviously wrote most of Convict Conditioning for that matter. Yeah, after a long day on the chain gang, the hardest, rawest lifers would do back bridges).

TY for the Enamait rec, looking him up now. 

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I haven't read the book... by gzt (4.00 / 1) #5 Thu Jul 10, 2014 at 11:22:50 PM EST
...but people who know what they're doing have spoken quite highly of him, in opposition to the "snake oil" practices of others, so I don't know if there's still some minimal snake oil on there. however, if there is, it's probably about the least you could get from anybody.

Pavel would be Enter the Kettlebell for kettlebell instruction. a little snake oily, but also generally regarded as the best kettlebell book (which isn't saying much compared to the competition...). the downside of kettlebells is that they're expensive and a little silly, but if you use them, they're good and fairly addictive and you can put together something that will tire you out in 10 minutes if that's what you want.

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what i want by nathan (2.00 / 0) #6 Thu Jul 10, 2014 at 11:46:39 PM EST
Is something that will get me to 185 OHP, but sadly taking the time to lift properly just isn't in the cards. Are kettlebells useful for strength? What is the point of a kettlebell anyway?

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they're more for conditioning by gzt (4.00 / 1) #7 Fri Jul 11, 2014 at 01:48:43 AM EST
to get to a 185 press, frequent pressing is needed. it sounds like you might be a candidate for some kind of high-frequency-but-low-time method. i would suggest 5/3/1 and finding a way to alter it to press often. i personally found that a similar program with high-volume backoff sets really helped my press a lot, though i only got to 195 before i had other stuff intervene - of course, i'm a lot bigger than you, but on the other hand, i've very much not built for pressing.

5/3/1 is more of an adaptable system of setting things up rather than a "program" per se. there are endless ways of tinkering with it to fit whatever goals you want and fit whatever constraints you want.

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ok, cool, thanks by nathan (2.00 / 0) #8 Fri Jul 11, 2014 at 03:28:13 AM EST
Will remove laundry from barbell and report back.

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did you read the write up on convicts lifting ? by sasquatchan (4.00 / 1) #9 Fri Jul 11, 2014 at 11:14:33 AM EST
damned if I can find the link. I think it was on metafilter about 2 months ago, and talked about a guy who got buff while in prison.

He said almost all the lifters lost everything shortly after release. EXCEPT the guys who did pulls/dips/etc. So get a pullup bar mounted in the house somewhere and dig in on that.

TY for the tip by nathan (2.00 / 0) #10 Fri Jul 11, 2014 at 12:18:07 PM EST
I think this is it? http://www.metafilter.com/139010/Finally-A-Place-Worse-Than-The-Bodybuildingcom-Forums

I do a lot of pull ups, so I am on board with your advice. I typically do ~50 total over 5 sets 3x weekly, and I'm starting to add weight vest work. I can just manage to do one controlled full-ROM semi-one-handed chin (where I'm gripping the bar with one hand and the wrist of that hand with the other hand) and I feel like mastering those is the next frontier.

6 years ago, I could just about manage one chin or one pullup. Progress rules.

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be sure to post about it.... by gzt (4.00 / 1) #11 Fri Jul 11, 2014 at 05:51:24 PM EST
...if you ever get a legit one-handed chin. those are a pretty substantial accomplishment.

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true one-handed chin is wayyyyy off by nathan (2.00 / 0) #12 Fri Jul 11, 2014 at 06:20:12 PM EST
It's not really a goal, I just want to keep getting stronger. I will post if I can start doing legit clap pull ups though. I've started doing narrow grip overhand as prep for bar muscle ups too. 

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the transition is the tricky bit by gzt (4.00 / 1) #13 Fri Jul 11, 2014 at 09:28:17 PM EST
you're likely strong enough for the muscleup. i've never gotten the transition, either. i'm really annoyed - lately i haven't been hitting the gym much because i'm busy, but too many pullups irritate my elbows, so what am i to do? then again, gaining weight makes the pullups harder to do.

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strong enough, maybe by nathan (2.00 / 0) #14 Sat Jul 12, 2014 at 07:02:01 AM EST
But probably not explosive enough... 

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congratulations re: forthcoming nathling by the mariner (4.00 / 2) #15 Mon Jul 14, 2014 at 01:49:21 PM EST
kids are cool.

tyty by nathan (2.00 / 0) #16 Mon Jul 14, 2014 at 02:38:21 PM EST
The baby recently started saying "see uff urhhle", which we just realized means "sea urchin" after he started insistently pointing at the picture of one on his older brother's sea animals poster. Our guess is that he picked it up when he saw the older boy watching a nature documentary. Confirmed via a sea animals pack of flashcards; he also pointed out a picture of a sea horse and called it "see nay", I assume on the grounds that horses say "neigh". Kids are the best lolololol


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