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By anonimouse (Fri Jun 21, 2013 at 05:48:53 AM EST) (all tags)
How would you sentence Jeremy Forrest, and why?


Assuming you are a mythical judge who doesn't have to follow any sentencing guidelines, and assuming you are free to set a sentence based entirely on your personal beliefs and any information you have read about the case.



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Might be helpful by jump the ladder (2.00 / 0) #1 Fri Jun 21, 2013 at 05:56:50 AM EST
To put a link to the story to help out non-UKIans out.

i read on a legal blog that possibly he's pleaded guilty to having sex with the underage girl at an earlier hearing but there's reporting restrictions so this will obviously increase his sentence in total.

Legal Blog by anonimouse (2.00 / 0) #2 Fri Jun 21, 2013 at 06:26:45 AM EST
I'm not sure he can be charged with sex with a minor, as in France it is perfectly legal and you can only be charged with offences for which you are extradicted on a European Arrest Warrant.

For a EAW to be valid, charges have to be an offence in both countries.


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Didn't he have sex with her by jump the ladder (4.00 / 1) #3 Fri Jun 21, 2013 at 06:29:15 AM EST
Before he went to France?

I guess he would be charged with it as there seems to be a reasonable amount evidence.

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Irrelevant by anonimouse (2.00 / 0) #4 Fri Jun 21, 2013 at 06:37:17 AM EST
You can only be returned to a country on charges which are valid in both countries.

If you have sex with someone age 15 in England, then hop to France, he could not have been extradited. Only the charge of abduction of a minor is valid in both the UK and France.


Girls come and go but a mortgage is for 25 years -- JtL
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Told you by jump the ladder (2.00 / 0) #10 Fri Jun 21, 2013 at 07:44:44 AM EST
Blush by anonimouse (2.00 / 0) #11 Fri Jun 21, 2013 at 08:50:01 AM EST
I wonder whether he'll appeal. Seems you got the sentence about right too


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In the UK, the age of consent is 18 by ambrosen (2.00 / 0) #7 Fri Jun 21, 2013 at 07:30:20 AM EST
When one off the participants is in a position of responsibility for the other. I'd be very surprised I'd that wasn't the case in France as well.

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You are correct by anonimouse (2.00 / 0) #8 Fri Jun 21, 2013 at 07:34:35 AM EST
..but it is possible that particular regulation may not meet the severity requirements for extradition.


Girls come and go but a mortgage is for 25 years -- JtL
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Not enough information by jimgon (2.00 / 0) #5 Fri Jun 21, 2013 at 07:07:27 AM EST
Definitely guilty of taking a minor across "state" borders.  Guilty of having sex with her, and the question would be was it illegal in the "state" in which it happened.  In another comment you mention that fifteen is the legal in France, so he shouldn't be charged with what happened in France.  If he had sex with her in a location previous to that in a location where it is illegal and it can be proved, then that would be against him.  Simply for taking a child without her parents approval across a national border I would say prison term.  How long a prison term is hard to tell that's where I would need guidelines.  I think ten years is common.  Sex with a minor if proven to have occurred in an illegal location would add another ten.  So ten to twenty years.  Minimum of ten. 




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Its complicated in the EU by anonimouse (2.00 / 0) #6 Fri Jun 21, 2013 at 07:25:57 AM EST
If you commit something that is an offence in country A and then go to country B, you can only be extradited back to countryA if what you did is an offence in both countryA and countryB. Further, once you are extradited back to countryA, you can not be charged with any additional offences - you only have to face the law on offences for which you have been extradited.

What I was interested in is how would you personally would  sentence based, not on any legal sentencing requirements but on your personal beliefs, taking into account the information that the affected minor is now over the age of consent and clearly wishes to continue the relationship with the alleged offender?




Girls come and go but a mortgage is for 25 years -- JtL
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It's not complicated on Hulver.com by lm (4.00 / 1) #9 Fri Jun 21, 2013 at 07:34:48 AM EST
If we're mythical judges who don't have to worry about legal niceties, then jimgon can sentence this bloke for any reason he wants regardless of EU extradition process legalities.

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Still ten years by jimgon (4.00 / 1) #12 Fri Jun 21, 2013 at 08:37:54 PM EST
I have an issue with authority figures who take advantage of those in their charge.  The student and teacher relationship is easy to abuse.  You couldn't tell if the relationship were consensual or if it was somehow influenced.  It's part of the whole minors not being able to make important decisions for themselves.  The adult should know better.  




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