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By the mariner (Sun Jun 09, 2013 at 10:11:42 PM EST) (all tags)
no, this is not a starcraft build.

with this bit of news, i think it's time we start taking bets on how long the newest member of our interminable list of enemies of state manages to slink his traitor ass around hong kong before he gets what's coming to him.

see poll.



i'm sure i don't need to elaborate on the need to keep scum like snowden under raps. plenty of sensible people on this site realize the necessity of coming down hard on terrorism and actions that may aid terrorists. after all, we live in a society where terrorism just doesn't happen on a regular basis and there is cost we pay to keep it that way. that cost comes in the form of readiness, the resolve to deploy overwhelming force, to make transgressors pay the iron price.

you know, i was reading a blog post by david simon the other day that put it pretty well. meta data is not a big deal -- until the terrorists, or as in his example drug dealers, know it's being used. sure, the government can use their database to figure out where you've been and who you called and whether the people you called know any terrorists every time you've made a phone call since 2007 -- big fuckin' deal. as simon says, there's no way you'd be able to get away from the police if they decided to come for you anyway. get real, new york times, et al. and go back to the '30s. this is the modern world and if you thought you could hide who you're making calls to from the government, you're about eighty years behind the curve.

anyway, i'm just amazed at all the hyperventilating about this and damn glad they caught this guy before he publishes any more government secrets. he made a big mistake leaving US soil though. as hard as it is to understand a guy who betrays his own country, it's even harder to understand trading the relative comfort of solitary confinement for an air to ground missile.

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Nice one by marvin (4.00 / 1) #1 Mon Jun 10, 2013 at 12:04:12 AM EST
I always wondered which accounts were alts of dmg. That was a classic example of the adequacy-style troll. Among your better efforts in the past few years.

i admire your honesty. by the mariner (2.00 / 0) #4 Mon Jun 10, 2013 at 01:51:09 AM EST
not many people are willing to put it all on the line like that. not, at least, without the customary "no homo."

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It can be as platonic as you want by marvin (2.00 / 0) #5 Mon Jun 10, 2013 at 09:38:16 AM EST
Oh, wait, you weren't serious were you?
after all, we live in a society where terrorism just doesn't happen on a regular basis and there is cost we pay to keep it that way. that cost comes in the form of readiness, the resolve to deploy overwhelming force, to make transgressors pay the iron price.

You could do ghost writing for Dick Cheney.

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ask ucblockhead by the mariner (2.00 / 0) #6 Mon Jun 10, 2013 at 10:06:36 AM EST
how serious he was about that sentiment.

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Context? by marvin (2.00 / 0) #9 Mon Jun 10, 2013 at 11:32:05 AM EST
I must have missed where ucblockhead wrote that, as I quoted it from your story. Mind providing a link?

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hong kong by gzt (4.00 / 1) #2 Mon Jun 10, 2013 at 12:06:03 AM EST
is a very interesting choice - they will certainly bow to whatever the chinese government decides should be done with him, so what will china think?

i think they'll see the value of his 29 year old by the mariner (2.00 / 0) #3 Mon Jun 10, 2013 at 01:40:42 AM EST
organs. once they've carefully harvested them, i suspect they'll plasticize the rest, with legs and right arm outstretched, mouth open, and polymerized tongue hanging out and sell it along with a glass backboard and a basketball to a museum for the amusement of his former countrymen.

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So many people who don't read the news. by wiredog (4.00 / 1) #7 Mon Jun 10, 2013 at 10:22:51 AM EST
meta data is not a big deal -- until the terrorists, or as in his example drug dealers, know it's being used. They've known that for years. Why do you think OBL went off the grid?

Earth First!
(We can strip mine the rest later.)

not being in the intelligence business by the mariner (2.00 / 0) #8 Mon Jun 10, 2013 at 10:37:09 AM EST
or a terrorist, i can't claim to know what OBL had in mind or, for that matter, what he did or didn't do.

what i know is what we are up against: a determined, fanatical enemy that will go to any length to kill americans. how many american lives are you willing to trade for your meta data? for me, the answer is zero, but apparently i only speak for myself.

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must resist biting by marvin (4.00 / 1) #10 Mon Jun 10, 2013 at 12:09:51 PM EST
will power....fading. 

Fanatical absolutists are indeed a menace to a free society.

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What are these potentially dead Americans like? by georgeha (2.00 / 0) #11 Mon Jun 10, 2013 at 12:26:15 PM EST
Do we share similar political orientations, or are they the real enemy?


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they are primarily members of the foreign service, by the mariner (2.00 / 0) #12 Mon Jun 10, 2013 at 12:47:52 PM EST
the elite of the financial, business and legal professions based in major cities, the political elite, and frequent attendants of sporting events.

know anyone like that?

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Oh, so the highly disposable crowd, then. by wiredog (2.00 / 0) #13 Mon Jun 10, 2013 at 02:01:03 PM EST


Earth First!
(We can strip mine the rest later.)

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four dead americans. by gzt (2.00 / 0) #14 Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 11:20:41 AM EST
all this talk is a distraction from the real scandal. we have FOUR DEAD AMERICANS in benghazi. where is your precious metadata now?

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