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By hulver (Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 05:12:00 AM EST) (all tags)
We bought a house.


The legal house buying thing finally completed, and we own the house, and owe the bank a load of money.

The house had been empty since December, and not very well cared for before that. All the physical bits of the house are ok, if a bit old.

It was mucky though. Filthy.

The kitchen was dreadful. Greasy cupboards, dust stuck in the grease.

All the floors were dirty. The walls were mucky.

So we set about cleaning it. Then I invited my parents up to see it, and my Mum took one look at the kitchen and started cleaning it :)

We cleaned and moved bits and bobs, and cleaned some more.

We hired a carpet cleaning machine, and cleaned all the carpets.

All the time RR was packing up the old house. Everything went into boxes. All the furniture that could go into pieces did, and I used cable ties to bind everything together, with little bags full of screws and nuts and bolts.

Then the removal men came, and loaded up their van with all our furniture and boxes. Our entire house fitted into their van.

Then we drove to the new house, and they unloaded all our furniture and boxes into it.

And stole £5 from my daughter.[1]

We ended up with a lot of furniture in the garage. Even though the new house has more rooms, there is a lot of stuff built in already, like drawers and wardrobes. So we've got an awful lot of stuff and no where to put it.

Then my Mum and Dad came down again the next day, and helped us unpack, and shuffle furniture around, and move boxes ready to be unpacked into different rooms.

We made up beds in the kids rooms. Then found that the beds we had are 3 cm too big to fit into the space, so we have to buy new beds for two rooms.

We swapped light fittings around. Did you know that even if you turn the light off at the switch, the wires are still live? That was something I knew once, but had a sharp reminder about yesterday. 230V hurts, even if you just get a small jolt of it. Always turn off the circuit you're working on folks.

We put all the kids rooms together, unpacked most of the books we have shelves for. Unpacked nearly everything. Flat packed the boxes again, vacuumed up the mess we'd made unpacking everything. Then collapsed and ordered pizza while I tried to get the broadband working.

We've got fibre broadband (FTTC) at the new house. That needs two boxes. One supplied by BT, one by our broadband supplier.

Our broadband supplier sent us the wrong box. It had the wrong firmware on to work in a FTTC setup. You need to configure it as PPPoE to talk to the BT box, but this one was configured as PPPoA which is normal for non-fibre installs. That took me a while to figure out, as it did have a setting for PPPoE, it just didn't work.

So I had to connect by computer directly to the BT box, set up a PPPoE session and download the right firmware, flash the box, and then set it up again.

Then it worked.

20mb down, 2mb up. Yeah baby.

Tired, but happy.

Now, we just need to start decorating.

[1] When my Mum and Dad came to visit, my Mum gave the kids £5 each. Grandparents like giving grandchildren money. It fell out of my daughters pocket when she was in her new bedroom. I'd found it and put it on the side in our room. When the removal men left, the money had gone. It hasn't just been lost under boxes or something, it's gone.

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Congrats! by Metatone (2.00 / 0) #1 Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 05:20:25 AM EST
Welcome back to the world of property ownership in Britain - good job you've got fibre broadband, there are many issues of the Daily Mail you need to catch up on... ;-) 



Oh no! by hulver (2.00 / 0) #2 Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 06:31:25 AM EST
I'll need to start fretting about house prices now.

Over a year of renting sort of puts it in perspective though.

As long as we don't lose more than £5400 a year on the house, we'll be beating renting.

Even our landlady who we were chatting to as the movers emptied the house summed it up.

"Renting is dead money"

RR has got the opposite view point. Being German, where renting is completely normal, it's just a cost that you have to pay for living.
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Congrats! by ana (2.00 / 0) #3 Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 06:57:11 AM EST
Also, woooooo!

Ahem.

Carry on. 

I now know what the noise that is usually spelled "lolwhut" sounds like. --Kellnerin


even if you turn the light off at the switch, by wiredog (2.00 / 0) #4 Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 07:33:39 AM EST
the wires are still live
What? Here in USia the switch breaks the circuit and no current should be getting through at all (otherwise you couldn't turn off the lights), unless it is miswired.

Yes, I too have learned the hard way (on 480V 3 phase systems) that all circuits are hot until proven otherwise. But the switch should cut all power.

Earth First!
(We can strip mine the rest later.)



Not in the uk by hulver (2.00 / 0) #5 Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 08:04:47 AM EST
The lighting circuit is wired like a long piece of wire from the main "fuse" board, out to the final light.

Each light fitting is just a branch off that wire to a switch and the light itself. So even with the light off, the wire is still live at the junction to the next light in the circuit.

Like this

So, always isolate it :)
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But the switch should still kill power by wiredog (2.00 / 0) #7 Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 09:27:20 AM EST
to the light fixture it controls, else the light can't be turned off. Even looking at the diagrams... Hmm. Which are the hot lines? The green, the other green, the brown, or the blue?

Damn, no wonder English Electronics have such an awful reputation over here. "Lucas, Prince of Darkness" and all that.

Earth First!
(We can strip mine the rest later.)

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some US setups are like that by sasquatchan (2.00 / 0) #9 Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 09:31:21 AM EST
eg if you have a ceiling fan and light combo, the fan is hot regardless of the light (assuming the light is controlled by the switch). Just depends on the number of poles on the switch. Single pole implies that either NEU to HOT runs through the light, and the other through the switch. Thus, if HOT is not on the single-pole-switch, you could get a zap..

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Probably code violation anywhere by bobdole (2.00 / 0) #13 Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 11:16:43 AM EST
if HOT (or Load) is not on the single pole switch... as touching other connected equipment would then run the risk of you acting as Neutral/Earth.

This is also why two-pole switching is recommended for humid rooms.
-- The revolution will not be televised.
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following the link by wumpus (2.00 / 0) #19 Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 02:21:08 PM EST
that doesn't appear to be the case in the UK. Either code values saving a wire and is willing to bite Lord Hulver with 230VAC, or enough homes were wired up before Heath & Safety conquered England. I can only hope that popping a fuse/breaker should be enough to kill power.

Wumpus

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the link by bobdole (4.00 / 1) #24 Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 06:46:17 PM EST
The link shows a pretty sound wiring with ground and neutral to each ceiling rose. Perfectly possible to wire this safely. In fact it is

Secondly, a fuse/breaker would not help Lord Hulver - it would only save his house from burning down after the 230V has killed him... Deadly current for a human is way too low to trip a fuse... for that you would need a Residual Current Device - which would not be found in older homes (and if found, usually only across outdoor/bathroom style stuff).
-- The revolution will not be televised.
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more by wumpus (2.00 / 0) #26 Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 08:04:44 PM EST
Breakers have an off position. You can switch them off before playing electron wrangler. You can switch them back on when you want to test your meddling. You are right not attempt to hope that the breaker will stop anything in the .1A-~10A lethal range (Standard US breakers are 15A at 110V, no idea of UK Wattage). I'd rather not count on GFI* (I think it is called ground fault interrupt) for any of my Hulver saving needs.

Wumpus * note to Yankeehack. You definitely want such a breaker on any new bathroom outlets. Just make sure LO understands that water and electrons should not mix even with such handy devices.

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The difference by bobdole (4.00 / 1) #12 Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 11:14:52 AM EST
is in one-pole and two-pole switches.

In dry rooms is completely sensible to just break one of the two wires going to the lamp. The UK is mostly wired in TN-(C) - as in one wire carries 230V (L) and the other is neutral (N) so it is possible to touch L and then some other ground (than neutral) and "feel the bite".

Usual (and correct) wiring would mean that you break load and let the common neutral run to all the fixtures in the room. So either dodgy work (switching L and N somewhere) or something else leaking to Neutral (or neutral not being 0V) would also give you a buzz.
-- The revolution will not be televised.
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Two switches by Herring (2.00 / 0) #25 Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 08:00:20 PM EST
That's the fella. If you have two switches to a set of lights then you can certainly end up with a live thing.

I've had plenty of 240V shocks and they aren't very much fun. Luckily my current (heh) house is wired fairly well and I know which fuse will isolate what.

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But the switch should cut all power. by wumpus (2.00 / 0) #20 Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 02:25:13 PM EST
I've worked with 270VAC 3 phase that managed to turn itself back on after locking it out (best guess was the switch was a fake that controlled a relay, especially considering the sound it made when it switched on). Fastest I ever got out of equipment. Can't imagine a sufficient punishment for building a switch with holes drilled for lockout locks that doesn't actually cut power.

Wumpus

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why? by bobdole (2.00 / 0) #30 Tue Jul 10, 2012 at 06:23:10 AM EST
That makes for much more wiring and making it cumbersome/ugly/impossible to wire two switches to one the same fixture.

That said, working on any electrical system (low or high-voltage) and relying on a consumer switch installed by God knows who to cut power is risky. That's why God invented circuit breakers and multimeters to check that the moron before you did what he was supposed to do.
-- The revolution will not be televised.
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Not kept up by Phil the Canuck (2.00 / 0) #6 Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 08:19:07 AM EST
Our house was dirty and falling apart because an amateur handyman had owned it.  I can only dream of owning a house that was just neglected.  To quote our electrician, "it's not that it isn't up to code, I don't know how it hasn't burned down".




don't know how it hasn't burned down by wiredog (2.00 / 0) #14 Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 12:03:19 PM EST
Years ago I rented a house with wiring older than I was. A new roommate, an electrician in financial trouble, moved in. As soon as he could afford it, he moved right out. 4 fuses (yes, fuses) for the whole house. Even for a house built in 1950, it was a bit underwired. If you ran the range and oven at the same tiem the kitchen fuse would blow. If you put a higher rated fuse in and ran both at once, the wires got hot to the touch.

A couple weeks ago I saw that the house had been torn down and a new McMansion was going up.

Earth First!
(We can strip mine the rest later.)

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Why our house should have burned by Phil the Canuck (2.00 / 0) #15 Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 01:45:17 PM EST
1.  It was wired with aluminum wiring (not in itself a massive problem).
2.  The old owner paid no attention to buying aluminum-friendly fixtures and switches.
3.  He fancied himself an electrician and modified a lot of wiring.
4.  He directly spliced copper to aluminum in multiple places

In the places where copper was spliced to aluminum the insulation had burned off some of the wires.  One wire nut was melted so badly it couldn't be removed.  No fewer than three outlets in the house had, at some time in the past, had flareouts that could have set the wall on fire.

That's just the dangerous stuff he did.  The list of stuff that was merely wrong is just staggering.  


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Congratulations by Scrymarch (2.00 / 0) #8 Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 09:30:50 AM EST
On the new castle.

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Congratulations! by yankeehack (2.00 / 0) #10 Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 09:45:01 AM EST
And yes, I moved two weekends ago in 90 degree heat (that's Fahrenheit folks) and what a story.

As for furniture, I lost a boxspring for my mattress and my dresser needs to go on craigslist for they can't fit in the tight upstairs hallway. My couch barely fit the front door (but it's already 7 years old, so I won't feel that bad about craiglisting it when I move next) and the feet need to be taken off the next time it goes through that door.
"...she dares to indulge in the secret sport. You can't be a MILF with the F, at least in part because the M is predicated upon it."-CBB


Yay yay yay! by Dr Thrustgood (2.00 / 0) #11 Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 10:34:07 AM EST
Very exciting, hurrah! :-D

For the first time ever on our last move, we hired people to help: we packed up anything that, well, we didn't trust them to, they took care of the rest. Team of four had us moved inside of 3 hours. Best money I've ever spent.

Shit about the fiver though - that's just mean.





Amen to that by belldandi (2.00 / 0) #16 Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 02:13:38 PM EST
Hired a crew of 4 to help me move last month; I packed my room, kitchen and computer equipment; they got everything else. The 4 latin american guys worked their butts off for six hours; but got everything moved. And they didn't steal the 10USD note they found on my daughter's dresser; I gave them much kudos for that; also bought them all lunch and gave them each a cash tip when it was done. They were friggin awesome!



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You still in NoVa? by wiredog (2.00 / 0) #31 Tue Jul 10, 2012 at 08:33:13 AM EST


Earth First!
(We can strip mine the rest later.)

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Only 20/2 on the fiber? by fluffy (2.00 / 0) #17 Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 02:14:51 PM EST
In the US, DSL can get that if you're close enough to the CO, or further if you're doing a bonded line pair.  Of course, I *really* want sonic.net's FTTH service which is 1000/1000 or something ridiculous (and only a little more expensive than their lower 100/100 tier) although that won't be rolled out in San Francisco proper for a while.

Is the 20/2 a hard cap or is it possibly something wrong with your setup?

That said I'd be pretty happy with 20/2. Right now I'm only getting 12/1 (on my DSL) and while that's enough downstream for me, I wish I had a bit more upstream (but the only way to get more is to switch to the bonded 2-line service which of course costs twice as much).

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I am paying for by yankeehack (2.00 / 0) #18 Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 02:20:17 PM EST
15/5 with Verizon's lowest tier Fios plan. And speedtest.net just told me that I'm really getting 24/4 in the middle of the day.

And the installer apparently hooked me up as he said my incoming fiber wasn't shared with my neighbors, as the neighborhood transformer is on my building.
"...she dares to indulge in the secret sport. You can't be a MILF with the F, at least in part because the M is predicated upon it."-CBB
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It's fibre to the cabinet. by ambrosen (2.00 / 0) #21 Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 02:55:20 PM EST
And VDSL from there. It's quoted as being 40Mb/s down, though. I get 20/0.5 on my plain old DSL line.

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Ah, I see by fluffy (2.00 / 0) #23 Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 06:12:54 PM EST
So basically it's turning your cabinet into a very nearby CO. That seems a bit silly, since you still have all the infrastructure requirements of both fiber AND DSL, and are limited by DSL.  But I guess it's a baby step towards FTTH in a lot of areas.

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Like Ambrosen said by hulver (2.00 / 0) #29 Tue Jul 10, 2012 at 03:02:34 AM EST
It's fibre to the Cabinet down the road.

The 20/2 was just a quick test over my wireless connection, I've not done a test over a cable to the router yet.

It does take a while to settle down as well, as the equipment at the other end tunes settings according to noise on the line and things like that.

The wiring here is also a tad odd. I've removed 5 telephone extensions already. The only one left is wired straight into where the wire comes into the house.

FTTH would be very expensive here, as all the cables are buried under the road.
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Cheese is not a hat. - clock
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Congratulations on the move! by ambrosen (2.00 / 0) #22 Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 03:58:16 PM EST
May it be the source of a fruitful life for you both.



Hey congrats. by technician (2.00 / 0) #27 Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 08:15:30 PM EST
What sort of housewarming gift would you like from Texas?



congrats by johnny (2.00 / 0) #28 Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 11:21:51 PM EST
I will spare you & RR ( & the rest of HuSi) for now boring tales of the first few houses dear wife & I owned & rehabilitated.

You can pay me later.

She has effectively checked out. She's an un-person of her own making. So it falls to me.--ad hoc (in the hole)


Excite! Congrats! [nt] by littlestar (2.00 / 0) #32 Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 02:46:15 PM EST
 
*twinkle*twinkle*




Have the consumer unit replaced by anonimouse (2.00 / 0) #33 Sat Jul 14, 2012 at 08:33:00 AM EST
With one that has an RCD or two. It'll cost a few hundred quid, but its well worth it.


Girls come and go but a mortgage is for 25 years -- JtL


It has got RCDs by hulver (2.00 / 0) #34 Sat Jul 14, 2012 at 03:53:35 PM EST
I just didn't turn it off.

It was a very minor buzz, not enough to trip the breaker, but it still hurt.
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Cheese is not a hat. - clock
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