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By gzt (Thu Apr 05, 2012 at 12:28:42 PM EST) gzt, alternative medicine, quackery, geocentrism, wifing unit, school (all tags)
The sister-in-law is deep into alternative medicine and just loves Mercola, a lying liar who tells lies. She posted some link to an alternative medicine thing about cancer and said, "Touchy subject, but amen. I want everyone to know there are alternatives, as crazy as it sounds." I had to try very very hard not to directly troll her, content, instead, with posting an article about geocentrism on my own wall and saying there are alternatives to heliocentrism.


http://galileowaswrong.blogspot.com/

So, uh, anyway, I don't like alternative medicine. It's essentially like alternative cosmology in my mind. Or alternative cohomology - why aren't there any cranks out there who try to peddle bad algebraic topology (outside of Italy)?

Okay, PSU just got me a note that they can offer me admission. They will send me details in a couple days. I now, officially, have to think about this. It's the Cael Sanderson choice. Am chatting with some people at the cyclone end of things. I saw there was a place for rent 1 block from where I grew up for pretty cheap, I remember that house. Somewhat amusing. The neighborhood is great, actually - two blocks from the public library, right by a nice park, a couple more blocks to downtown, walkable to the grocery store if you wanted, not on the flood plain (very important when those 100 or 500 year floods happen every 5 years). Of course, it's right by the power plant, which means you have to dust a lot. But that's mostly amusing, I'm not likely to live there.

Just got out of ERT training. ERT is the people on each floor at work who, when the fire alarm goes off, tell their coworkers to head to the stairwells or whatever. I am, as always, impressed by the security team and the safety features of the building. the new video has instructions about what to do in case of a shooter (answer: GTFO). The life you save could be your own.

Okay, the next week is going to be busy. I have a couple homeworks in numerical analysis to finish off and a take-home exam. I also really ought to start work on my projects in both classes because they're due in 20 days and I will not get any work done between the 12th and the 16th because of Pascha.

I was supposed to go to the R User Group today. Eh, not sure if I can make it based on how much work I have outside of work. I'll go next month. A coworker is leaving for a much better company and is having drinks, but they start early, so I'll pop in for one and then head home to do some work.

Anyway: hope the wifing unit gets a jorb shortly after we arrive wherever we end up. Otherwise, we slowly bleed moneys. So, it's not too bad: we'll have plenty of reserves and it's slow. But positive cash flow is better than the alternative. I'm glad that rice plus beans is wholly acceptable bachelor chow if I add some salsa and sriracha.

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Why not get the wife's permission to troll? by marvin (4.00 / 1) #1 Thu Apr 05, 2012 at 12:45:46 PM EST
If you troll family members hard enough, they learn to STFU about their loopy crackpot theories whenever you're around.

The fact that they may no longer speak to you or acknowledge your existence can make it a double win in some cases.

but I'm not around! by gzt (2.00 / 0) #3 Thu Apr 05, 2012 at 01:01:44 PM EST
this just on the book of faces. they typically don't pipe up about it in person and i don't particularly want to make things awkward. for all they know, i'm just some guy who pops down to visit a couple times per year, is generally pleasant, and then disappears from their radar. why raise my profile and in an antagonistic way?

though i do worry that any children she eventually produces will wind up unvaccinated.

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it should go without saying by the mariner (2.00 / 0) #23 Fri Apr 06, 2012 at 02:26:04 PM EST
that if you have permission to troll, you're not really trolling. 

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this post is itself by nathan (2.00 / 0) #24 Fri Apr 06, 2012 at 04:30:02 PM EST
A fine troll.

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Are there jobs in University Park? by georgeha (2.00 / 0) #2 Thu Apr 05, 2012 at 12:57:49 PM EST
I figured there were so many undergrads willing to work for beer money decent jobs were hard to find.


but the beer money undergrads... by gzt (2.00 / 0) #4 Thu Apr 05, 2012 at 01:02:59 PM EST
...aren't available for full-time or often even half-time gigs.

ISU has the same problem, too. OSU wouldn't, but we're kind of weaning off that option.

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Alternative medicine by me0w (4.00 / 1) #5 Thu Apr 05, 2012 at 01:21:09 PM EST
I suppose it depends on what you consider alternative medicine. Some modalities have a strong/growing evidence base as to their effectiveness for certain conditions.


"the only reason we PMS is because our uterus is screaming at our brain to go out, get fucked, and have a baby ... and it makes us angry."

Yes. by gzt (2.00 / 0) #7 Thu Apr 05, 2012 at 01:35:44 PM EST
The ones listed in her article have no basis in fact and are diametrically opposed to known science. Coffee enemas will not cure cancer.

It certainly may be true that there are some which may be promising. Which alternative modalities do you have in mind?

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Alternative modalities by me0w (4.00 / 1) #9 Thu Apr 05, 2012 at 01:49:39 PM EST
Ones that immediately come to mind (because studies are sitting on my desk) are acupuncture, chiropractic, massage therapy, and herbal medicine (TCM).


"the only reason we PMS is because our uterus is screaming at our brain to go out, get fucked, and have a baby ... and it makes us angry."

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in my mind by bobdole (2.00 / 0) #15 Thu Apr 05, 2012 at 10:10:09 PM EST
they sort of cease being alternative the minute they can prove their  effect using the same science as the rest of us (which includes all of those you mention).

 
-- The revolution will not be televised.

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The reality by me0w (2.00 / 0) #22 Fri Apr 06, 2012 at 09:14:45 AM EST
They are still classified as CAM because they don't fit into the conventional medicine model.


"the only reason we PMS is because our uterus is screaming at our brain to go out, get fucked, and have a baby ... and it makes us angry."

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ERT training ? by sasquatchan (2.00 / 0) #6 Thu Apr 05, 2012 at 01:32:00 PM EST
Do you get a gun with the flashlight ?

alas, no. by gzt (2.00 / 0) #8 Thu Apr 05, 2012 at 01:36:49 PM EST
I get an orange vest and instructions on how to point toward a staircase and tell people not to carry stuff with them.

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like this one ? by sasquatchan (2.00 / 0) #10 Thu Apr 05, 2012 at 02:26:29 PM EST
http://www.ozone3d.net/public/jegx/201107/no_tweet_in_case_of_fire.jpg ?

We've got a second set of instructions on securing workplace and papers as well. yee haw.

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well, that's not covered in ERT training. by gzt (2.00 / 0) #11 Thu Apr 05, 2012 at 02:54:17 PM EST
all individuals need to know their own departmental policy on that issue and follow it.

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Send her an article on Steve Jobs by lm (4.00 / 1) #12 Thu Apr 05, 2012 at 06:04:40 PM EST
There are quite a few out there about how he died because he missed the window for real treatment because he tried alternative therapies first.

There is no more degenerate kind of state than that in which the richest are supposed to be the best.
Cicero, The Republic
There's a web-log called Science-Based Medicine... by gzt (4.00 / 1) #16 Thu Apr 05, 2012 at 10:10:39 PM EST
...which is actually slightly critical of people saying, "ZOMG Jobs totally killed himself by doing the alternative medicines". It points out that, while Jobs did himself no favors, he had a pretty shitty cancer that gave him low odds or something like that, and while he made the wrong decision, he may very well been boned either way.

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4, web-log. by the mariner (2.00 / 0) #18 Fri Apr 06, 2012 at 12:26:07 AM EST
years ago, i might have given a 6 for "b-log," though. 

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That's what I get for not reading past headlines by lm (2.00 / 0) #19 Fri Apr 06, 2012 at 05:59:34 AM EST
My understanding was that by trying alternatives for nine months, he pretty much guaranteed that he would die when he did.

But apparently there is more to the story.


There is no more degenerate kind of state than that in which the richest are supposed to be the best.
Cicero, The Republic
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died due to delays by wumpus (2.00 / 0) #17 Thu Apr 05, 2012 at 10:33:55 PM EST
treating pancreatic cancer? I'm pretty sure he had it over 1 year, and the 5 year survival rate is under 5%. Best guess he was trying something non-standard was that no standard treatment is sufficiently effective.

Wumpus

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I followed gzt's search tips by lm (2.00 / 0) #20 Fri Apr 06, 2012 at 07:33:09 AM EST
Apparently the article I was thinking of was written by a pediatrician who didn't understand how certain cancers work or what lead time bias was.

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/one-more-thing/


There is no more degenerate kind of state than that in which the richest are supposed to be the best.
Cicero, The Republic
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Forgive me quoting Tim Minchin by BadDoggie (4.00 / 1) #13 Thu Apr 05, 2012 at 08:12:44 PM EST
You know what we call alternative medicine which has been proven to work?
MEDICINE!

woof.

Jesus Christ you're a tool -- Dr Thrustgood

I've posted it before... by dmg (4.00 / 1) #14 Thu Apr 05, 2012 at 10:08:15 PM EST
But in this case "homeopathic A&E" warrants posting again.

It may also be worth pointing out the benefits of colonic cleansing to your relative. All that 'mucoid plaque' building up inside you cannot possibly be a good thing.
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dmg - HuSi's most dimwitted overprivileged user.

Cover story? by Alan Crowe (4.00 / 1) #21 Fri Apr 06, 2012 at 08:21:20 AM EST
I assumed that the "medical benefits" of colonic irrigation were just a cover story for a sexual fetish. Having warm water squirted up there sounds a lot gentler than pegging and just as much fun. Yet the website you linked to seems sincere :-(

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