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By nathan (Tue Feb 28, 2012 at 06:53:58 PM EST) (all tags)


I TOLD YOU THIS WAS COMING

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My actual answer is the first... by gzt (2.00 / 0) #1 Tue Feb 28, 2012 at 07:21:38 PM EST
...but I tried Obama for the poll.

OBBillHicks by Driusan (2.00 / 0) #2 Tue Feb 28, 2012 at 07:28:54 PM EST
You're not a person until you're in my phone book.

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Clever. by Captain Tenille (2.00 / 0) #3 Tue Feb 28, 2012 at 07:39:50 PM EST
But you have to draw the line somewhere, so it may as well be when it's born.

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why do you have to draw the line, by nathan (2.00 / 0) #5 Tue Feb 28, 2012 at 10:52:55 PM EST
When that line means causing real harm to real persons in the name of the nonexistent "rights" of non-persons? Since it's significant harm vs. no harm, intervention is, if anything, morally mandated. 

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Strictly speaking, one doesn't have to draw a line by lm (4.00 / 2) #7 Wed Feb 29, 2012 at 05:47:04 AM EST
It's convenient to do so. One might even argue that ethics demands that a line be drawn. But it's quite possible to get on with life without drawing such a line.

From a strict legal perspective, the obvious place seems to be the age of majority. At that point, people are fully independent. The age of majority is fairly close to the age at which science suggests that humans are finally fully cognitively developed (early twenties).

But I think popular demand keeps the line drawn at birth. In fact, I suspect popular demand alone  might push the line back to about the late second or early third trimester. Legalitiees, however, are not entirely (or even mostly) cases of popular vote.


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i'm the god damn paterfamilias by the mariner (2.00 / 0) #4 Tue Feb 28, 2012 at 09:04:43 PM EST
 

[fx: NPR music] by nathan (2.00 / 0) #6 Tue Feb 28, 2012 at 10:54:05 PM EST
 

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Covered this already by Phage (2.00 / 0) #8 Wed Feb 29, 2012 at 08:05:37 AM EST
http://www.hulver.com/scoop/comments/2012/2/22/23202/2792/15#15


thanks for clearing up the question by nathan (2.00 / 0) #9 Wed Feb 29, 2012 at 09:55:28 AM EST

Please inform the President.



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Embarrassingly adolescent of you [nt] by Phage (1.00 / 1) #14 Thu Mar 01, 2012 at 03:55:11 AM EST


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it's not my fault your posts suck by nathan (2.00 / 0) #16 Thu Mar 01, 2012 at 11:40:53 AM EST
My mistake. by Phage (1.00 / 1) #17 Sat Mar 03, 2012 at 12:24:34 PM EST
Make that infantile.

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talking down only works if you truly are superior, by nathan (2.00 / 0) #18 Sat Mar 03, 2012 at 04:48:44 PM EST
Sparky.
Not Ok to eat Cetaceans, and primates, although
I'd be happiest with Chicken Little or Myco protein. Easier to show sentience in an animal that [sic] in utero.
Is your rule that a certain level of "sentience" makes it wrong to kill things? Why is that the metric? Why should anyone care that you think that's an appropriate metric? If you want to convince people, you need developed arguments, not assertions.
I asume your [sic] a Vegan pro-lifer then ? 
Same problems, except that you added snark. Snark is the last refuge of the incompetent. It's used to imply that a consensus exists, and that the person snarked at is too dumb or ignorant to know about it. Snarking at people seems to be a theme with you.
The whole argument is a waste of time. We are completely unable to determine when a human comes into existence.
Well, presumably it's sometime between conception and adulthood. Drawing a bright line might be difficult, but fuzzy lines have their uses too, particularly in the law. We have no choice as a society except to draw them, so the argument is not a waste of time even if it ultimately proves impossible to reach a conclusion that everyone finds convincing.

I didn't feel like typing all that out the first time when you cited your post as if it had disposed of the question. Thank goodness for lazy weekends.
 


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Already covered by Orion Blastar (2.00 / 0) #10 Wed Feb 29, 2012 at 01:44:24 PM EST
<a href="http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/1080">'A Modest Proposal by Jonathan Swift'</a> first abortion is legal and the poor are able to freely abort even post natal, and then the dead babies are used to feed the poor. I am sure Obama and company read that book in High School if not Harvard.





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Gah this editor sucks! by Orion Blastar (2.00 / 0) #11 Wed Feb 29, 2012 at 01:45:58 PM EST
Does not process my HTML tags.

www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/1080


"I drank what?" - Socrates after drinking the Conium
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Then turn it off. by ana (2.00 / 0) #12 Wed Feb 29, 2012 at 04:08:53 PM EST
Under "Display Preferences" find "use fancy editor" and set it to "no".

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Thank you by Orion Blastar (2.00 / 0) #13 Wed Feb 29, 2012 at 05:10:34 PM EST
this is much better.

"I drank what?" - Socrates after drinking the Conium
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infanticide tickles lol by ammoniacal (4.00 / 1) #15 Thu Mar 01, 2012 at 09:49:31 AM EST

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