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By gzt (Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 04:17:41 PM EST) gzt, id, chess, travel, republicans, bachmann, new place (all tags)
The wifing unit is considering getting a pressure cooker. Since she's a vegetarian these days, she thinks it would be a good idea, since it cuts down on the cooking time of beans. I don't think it's terribly significant, but I'm open to reason.

Pressure cooker: good or wack?



So we have a new place for September 1st. It's very very nice. We are living with a third person, but we have a 2BD/2BA and it's quite spacious. We are near Kuma's Corner and Hot Doug's. Awesome.

I have my last game of the tournament tonight. I'm 7-0 so far with two of those victories being forfeits. I'm playing the only guy with only one defeat right now, so losing will clinch a tie for first and anything else will be a clear first. I haven't been playing well lately, so I hope I play decently tonight.

I went to visit the parents this weekend. The wifing unit gets along suspiciously well with my mother - I have to make sure they don't exchange too much information about me, as that could turn disastrous.

Bachmann appears to be polling well. I have mixed feelings. On the one hand, if she gets the Republican nomination, the Republicans will get zombie-stomped. Hooray. On the other hand, there's always the chance that she would win. Boo. She is terrible. She is not the worst conceivable candidate, but she is bad. She's smarter than Palin, though. If she gets the nomination, I'm pretty sure I would consider doing something to actually hinder her campaign beyond merely voting and trying to convince people I know not to vote for her.

Also amusing: Ron Paul got second in the straw poll. He's another guy who would get zombie-stomped. Same reaction.

Why can't there be sane opposition? Bush is looking competent in comparison.

MAN, that was awkward. I was walking back to the office after grabbing lunch and, while crossing the street, I broke stride and moved over a step to make way for somebody and my hand accidentally brushed against the hand of the woman behind me (my hand was going back and hers was going forward). I was like, "Oh, pardon me," and scurried into the office.

Pondering whether to get David Foster Wallace's unfinished novel. I like DFW a lot.

My ID-holder for work broke randomly while I was going to lunch. I stopped at security on the way in to get a new one. After scurrying in to escape the woman whose hand I accidentally touched.

I think the 0th commandment in religion is not to be a dickhead. You have to do that before you can get to "love thy neighbor" and all that. If religion is just giving you another way to be a dickhead to people, you're doing it wrong.

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0th commandment: couldn't agree more by Oberon (2.00 / 0) #1 Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 04:31:07 PM EST
Actually, I could agree more, but I would have to get some kind of modification to upgrade my agreement faculties.

How now, mad spirit?
I completely disagree by BadDoggie (4.00 / 1) #17 Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 05:14:20 AM EST
Completely. Religion is all about being a dick to anyone who doesn't believe yours. Within the particular community there's certainly an element of non-dickishness but outside? How many flavours of Christianity are there in the US alone? And while they all claim a common book and some common beliefs (nutty as those may be), if you ask, say, a Catholic if the Anabaptist is going to Hell, the answer is, "Yes." Which is what the Quaker will say about the Anabaptist. Which is what the guy from the Church of our Armed, Locked & Loaded Jesus Christ Our Saviour will say about the Quaker. And so on.

Religion is nothing if not an us vs. them game. That's the whole point of all the harsh rules in Leviticus -- to separate and differentiate from the rest of the world. Which is why "Hellenic" is the worst word a Hassid in Brooklyn can call you. And will.

woof.

Jesus Christ you're a tool -- Dr Thrustgood

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you're batting .333 by lm (4.00 / 1) #23 Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 07:14:37 AM EST
if you ask, say, a Catholic if the Anabaptist is going to Hell, the answer is, "Yes."

Wrong.

Which is what the Quaker will say about the Anabaptist.

Wrong.

Which is what the guy from the Church of our Armed, Locked & Loaded Jesus Christ Our Saviour will say about the Quaker.

Probably true.


There is no more degenerate kind of state than that in which the richest are supposed to be the best.
Cicero, The Republic
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It'll get you a sweet MLB contract though. by ammoniacal (2.00 / 0) #25 Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 08:44:04 AM EST

"To this day that was the most bullshit caesar salad I have every experienced..." - triggerfinger

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You and I will always disagree here by BadDoggie (2.00 / 0) #36 Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 12:47:24 PM EST
And we'll both bring up decent points. And we'll counterpoint each counterpoint with more counterpoint. And happily, we'll both settle on an afternoon together of Gold Star Coneys with bottles Oldenheim.

woof.

Jesus Christ you're a tool -- Dr Thrustgood

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Oldenheim, Oldenberg by BadDoggie (2.00 / 0) #37 Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 01:00:17 PM EST
Hell,  Christian Morlein. So long as it ain't Hudy.

woof.

Jesus Christ you're a tool -- Dr Thrustgood

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Perhaps, but my opinion is based on the evidence by lm (4.00 / 1) #47 Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 07:06:09 PM EST
Take Catholics. If we disregarding the Old Catholics, Anglo-Catholics, and Byzantine Catholics because you almost certainly meant Roman Catholics (Latin rite Catholics in communion with the See of Rome), there are at least four discernable groups.
  1. Catholics that know what the official party line is. Examples of this sort of Catholic would be the former Cardinal Ratzinger (now Pope Benedict), the previous Ponitff John Paul II, most of the active clergy serving at all of the Catholic colleges I've attended, lay people who have read and understand the Catetchism of the Catholic Church, etc.
  2. Catholics brought up in parishes formed pre-Vatican II that do not know what the actual teaching of the Church is.
  3. Liberal Catholics who think what the Catholic Church teaches is overly strict.
  4. Catholics that don't give a fuck.
Of these groups, only the second one would say that a Quaker is going to hell. The worst thing that the first group would say about a Quaker is that their faith is deficient. But that assessment says  nothing about whether the Quaker is going to heaven or hell. The third group says that the Quaker is going to heaven right along with everyone else. The last group shrugs their shoulders and says, 'why do you even care? chill, dude.'

When I was a kid the second group probably was the largest segment of Catholicism in the US. Not so much anymore. Even die hard layity that I would describe as 'more Catholic than the Pope' has largely taken a chill pill and moved into segment 4.

Quakers can be subdivided similarly. Generally speaking you've got conservatives and liberals. The conservatives can be divided into two groups, one that says anyone that doesn't practice Quakerism authentically is not saved and one that says that short of God telling them, they would have know way of knowing who is saved. The liberals tend to border on universalism but there are also Quakers who are Evangelically Protestant in doctrine while remaining Quakers in practice. These trend towards Carl Rahner's "anonymous Christian" theology.

(The only Quakers I've ever met in real life have been the liberal, universalists sort. But I've read about the others.)

You're more than welcome to disagree with this. It's no skin off of my nose. But the empirical evidence of Pew and Templeton surveys combined with documents like the Catechism of the Catholic Church and then Cardinal Ratzinger's Dominus Iesus paint a pretty objective picture.

So I think my opinion is well informed and backed by good evidence. Moreover, I'm more than willing to change my mind if it turns out that the evidence I'm basing my opinion on is flawed. You could easily convince me that I've made an error in judgment if you could link to a survey with a good methodology that indicates that the majority of Roman Catholics think all non-Catholics are going to hell even if they profess to be Christians (or something similar for Quakers' opinions of non-Quakers).

Now, with a bit of cherry-picking of Christian groups, you could have made your assertion pretty defensible. Westboro Baptists would have been an easy 3 pointer. And if you would have mixed up groups that are arguably not linked to traditional Christianity (Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, etc.) the judgment gets fuzzier.


There is no more degenerate kind of state than that in which the richest are supposed to be the best.
Cicero, The Republic
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ROLOOFAH by ammoniacal (2.00 / 0) #50 Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 09:45:30 PM EST


"To this day that was the most bullshit caesar salad I have every experienced..." - triggerfinger

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While I wait for the Chileans to come on-line by BadDoggie (2.00 / 0) #55 Wed Aug 17, 2011 at 08:17:07 AM EST
you almost certainly meant Roman Catholics
As is common parlance in North America and Soviet-Europia-minus-Greece.

Look, I just threw out a few denominations in a late-night undrunk post to a crowd of people I know are educated enough and used to me enough to understand the point I was making.

You're infuriating, lm. Impressive and infuriating. Because you're consistent except for that religious bit which is necessarily inconsistent. This is something I see when I read Sam Harris' books and I find I get much more angry with the "rational" religious than the fundies because the latter are more consistent and honest. And for the past 10 fucking years on this site you've been so eloquent in arguments that I just can't grok the cognitive dissonance.

As for Ratzinger, I despised him back when I lived in Regensburg and I think he should be summarily executed for having spent his time not just as head of the Inquisition but for his role as active defender of child rapists. For someone who hates Teh Gheys so much, he certainly put a lot of effort into protecting them as long as they wore his team's colours and only fucked young boys instead of "men".

woof.

Jesus Christ you're a tool -- Dr Thrustgood

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Referee! by Herring (2.00 / 0) #57 Wed Aug 17, 2011 at 09:13:08 AM EST
Conflation of child abuse with teh ghey. 10 minutes in the sin bin I think.

christ, we're all old now - StackyMcRacky
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shifting goal posts by lm (2.00 / 0) #60 Wed Aug 17, 2011 at 08:30:58 PM EST
That criticism of Catholicism, and of most religions, is one I'll readily concede. Most organizations, but especially religions organizations, tend to think that they can handle problems internally better than if someone external to the system comes in to set things write. This tendency is heightened by the way that most religions tend to think that  public admission of flawed decision making is a stumbling block to the faithful and, therefore, it all ought to be kept hush-hush. The consequence is that some very bad men and women are enabled for years, sometimes for decades, to inflict the worst sort of abuse on the most defenseless of victims.

But that has nothing to do with various Christian groups saying that other Christian groups are going to hell, directly to hell, neither passing Go, nor collecting $200. On that point, with a few significant exceptions, the Christian groups predicting hellfire and brimstone for their co-religionists in name is restricted to groups that are relatively few in number and far between.


There is no more degenerate kind of state than that in which the richest are supposed to be the best.
Cicero, The Republic
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Another twist by Merekat (4.00 / 2) #63 Thu Aug 18, 2011 at 05:36:24 AM EST
For me, the problem with religious belief on salvation is not that they think other people are going to hell. It is that, sanctioned by their churches officially or not it seems to give them a pretext to treat people like shit in this life, deprive them of civil rights and overall attempt to influence the lives of people to sustain this state.
Even if this is counter to aspects of their own teaching.

So, such belief is one of the tools humans use for the long duration pursuit of being arseholes to each other.

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Two issues there, I agree with both by lm (2.00 / 0) #65 Fri Aug 19, 2011 at 08:01:58 AM EST
And I agree with them both.

FIrst issue is a narrowing of Richard Posner's suggestion that moral theorizing has a tendency to make people less moral. Once a person has the capacity to rationalize behavior as being moral according to a given theory (or creed) then that person is more likely to engange in behavior that they intuitively feel is immoral. There is certainly no shortage of that in religion. An obvious example are the numerous Catholics and Orthodox that pay no attention to being dicks because they can simply go to confession afterwards.

Second issue that religion has tremendous instrumental value for those who would weild power and try to bend society to their will. Again, I think religion is a specific example of a more general truism. Any ideology (or belief structure, or mental schema) can be used as such. I highly doubt that figures like Pol Pot would have been more monstrous if they had adopted religion for their method of control rather than a  political ideology such as communism.


There is no more degenerate kind of state than that in which the richest are supposed to be the best.
Cicero, The Republic
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Internal handling by BadDoggie (2.00 / 0) #64 Thu Aug 18, 2011 at 10:24:00 PM EST
If your buddy or employee shot someone, are you allowed to "handle that internally"?
If your guy was rioting in Ingerland, are you allowed to "handle that internally"?
Was Gary Glitter's agent allowed to handle anything internally?

What the fuck happened to "Render unto Cæsar that which is Cæsar's"?

As for the rest, Merekat blew my next load though I'm about to pull out the trump card. I care more about your incorrect word substitution -- and it happens to me, too -- than I do about which denomination thinks what about which other denomination.

woof.

Jesus Christ you're a tool -- Dr Thrustgood

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You'll have to fogive me by lm (2.00 / 0) #66 Fri Aug 19, 2011 at 08:03:37 AM EST
I've a got a chest  cold that is triggering my asthma something fierce.

I can't figure out which substitution I made that concerns you.


There is no more degenerate kind of state than that in which the richest are supposed to be the best.
Cicero, The Republic
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pobably this by clover kicker (2.00 / 0) #67 Fri Aug 19, 2011 at 11:45:01 AM EST
"better than if someone external to the system comes in to set things write."

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clover kicker got it by BadDoggie (2.00 / 0) #68 Sat Aug 20, 2011 at 04:21:53 PM EST
And I hope you get better quickly.

woof.

Jesus Christ you're a tool -- Dr Thrustgood

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Dude, seriously? by lm (2.00 / 0) #51 Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 10:16:34 PM EST
10 years in the 'Nati and I never acquired a taste for Cincinnati style chili. But if it's Cincy style or nought, Camp Washington Chili, it has to be.

As for beers, I'll defer to your judgment.


There is no more degenerate kind of state than that in which the richest are supposed to be the best.
Cicero, The Republic
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The thing about Cincinnati chili is by BadDoggie (2.00 / 0) #53 Wed Aug 17, 2011 at 07:35:03 AM EST
You have to think of it as spaghetti sauce. Or hot dog sauce. Which is what it basically is. With lots of cinnamon in.

woof.

Jesus Christ you're a tool -- Dr Thrustgood

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Yeah, you can think of it that way by lm (2.00 / 0) #54 Wed Aug 17, 2011 at 08:11:46 AM EST
But even as hot dog sauce, it pales in comparison to, say, Tony Paco's up in Toledo.

If we're ever both near northeastern Ohio at the same time, we should hit Tony Paco's.


There is no more degenerate kind of state than that in which the richest are supposed to be the best.
Cicero, The Republic
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I thought Mr gzt .... by Oberon (2.00 / 0) #34 Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 12:08:36 PM EST
.... was being prescriptive, rather than descriptive, of religion.

In that sense I approve.


How now, mad spirit?
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Why not just soak the beans overnight by georgeha (4.00 / 1) #2 Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 04:31:40 PM EST
for a few months, and see if beans remain such a large part of the diet?

Plus, beans soaking overnight aren't likely to explode and shoot shrapnel and dried beans all over the kitchen.


Soaking beans is still essential by technician (4.00 / 1) #9 Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 08:15:38 PM EST
in a bit of water with baking soda to de-gassify them a bit.

When soaked, they'll be done in a pressure cooker in about twenty minutes, and they'll taste fantastic.

Modern pressure cookers do 15psi only, and have more safeties than my pistols. Which isn't saying much, since none of my pistols have safeties.

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AS GOD AND SAM COLT INTENDED, BY GUM! by ammoniacal (4.00 / 1) #10 Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 08:58:27 PM EST
HA! TRICK COMMENT - THEY'RE THE SAME!

"To this day that was the most bullshit caesar salad I have every experienced..." - triggerfinger

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Lemmy by clock (4.00 / 1) #11 Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 10:35:03 PM EST
is NOT laughing.


I agree with clock entirely --Kellnerin

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Lemmy vs. Clapton by ammoniacal (4.00 / 1) #16 Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 02:19:55 AM EST
FIGHT!

"To this day that was the most bullshit caesar salad I have every experienced..." - triggerfinger

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Shrapnel? by R343L (4.00 / 1) #12 Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 12:49:54 AM EST
Pretty much any remotely modern pressure cooker has a release valve. There is next to zero chance of explosion under normal operation (that is, a stove). Soaking ahead of time is lame and requires foresight. I only do it when I want to make sure skins don't separate off (read: extremely rare).

"There will be time, there will be time / To prepare a face to meet the faces that you meet." -- Eliot
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I quite liked the pressure cooker I used to have by lm (4.00 / 1) #3 Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 05:37:13 PM EST
Pretty much any crock-pot recipe could be cooked in 15 minutes. Cooking beans quickly was just a bonus.

But I found mine at a close out store at a ridiculously low price. It was an electronic model with a timer, etc. As fate would have it, after abput a year or so, one of my kids lost a vital part. I haven't seen one one since at a price I'm willing to pay.


There is no more degenerate kind of state than that in which the richest are supposed to be the best.
Cicero, The Republic
You should really have said by darkbrown (4.00 / 2) #22 Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 07:03:42 AM EST
Lost a vital part of the cooker. I spent ages trying to work out what the fuck happened.

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US medical care eh by Herring (2.00 / 0) #24 Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 07:24:00 AM EST
Best in the world.

christ, we're all old now - StackyMcRacky
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Worth it if you can by notafurry (2.00 / 0) #4 Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 06:18:25 PM EST
As in preserve foods through the canning process.

Otherwise, waste of money.

but can what ? by sasquatchan (2.00 / 0) #27 Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 09:34:34 AM EST
all our jams/jellies/preserves are boiling water bath canning.. So the only things the Ball Blue Book give pressure cooking for are things like meat or low-acid veggies like corn .. 

So even if you can, you have to can a very small sub-set of all things people can..

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Stock by notafurry (2.00 / 0) #46 Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 06:26:29 PM EST
That's the big one. Frozen stock is good for a couple of months. Canned stock is fine for years.

Tomatoes and tomato sauces also require pressure canning (or so I was taught, I haven't googled.)

Also, many items that can be canned in a boiling water bath are more reliable or longer lasting if pressure canning.

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Stock .. by sasquatchan (2.00 / 0) #58 Wed Aug 17, 2011 at 12:03:07 PM EST
Guess we go through ours too fast (we freeze it .. ).

Tomatoes are acidic enough that boiling water will suffice.

I've had trouble finding data (well, outside of my canning books) on time/pressure to use instead of boiling water times .. The books give times for meat/corn etc at 1.5 hrs (!!!) on xx pressure. Whereas boiling water is 10 minutes..

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s/fast/quickly by ammoniacal (2.00 / 0) #62 Wed Aug 17, 2011 at 11:50:28 PM EST
I am literally appalled by your grammatical error.

"To this day that was the most bullshit caesar salad I have every experienced..." - triggerfinger

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Plan on running it unattended? by ammoniacal (2.00 / 0) #5 Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 06:22:04 PM EST
Explosions make good neighbours.

"To this day that was the most bullshit caesar salad I have every experienced..." - triggerfinger

Unattended? by R343L (4.00 / 1) #13 Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 12:51:18 AM EST
Why would you cook at all unattended? That's absurd whether a pressure cooker is involved or not.

"There will be time, there will be time / To prepare a face to meet the faces that you meet." -- Eliot
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Unfamiliar with the Crock Pot®? by ammoniacal (4.00 / 3) #15 Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 02:17:30 AM EST
Everyone I've known with a breadmaker runs it overnight.

"To this day that was the most bullshit caesar salad I have every experienced..." - triggerfinger

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i never have by LilFlightTest (2.00 / 0) #48 Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 09:22:34 PM EST
i like my bread fresh, damnit.
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if de-virgination results in me being able to birth hammerhead sharks, SIGN ME UP!!! --misslake
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How much fresher could it be? by ammoniacal (2.00 / 0) #49 Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 09:29:13 PM EST

"To this day that was the most bullshit caesar salad I have every experienced..." - triggerfinger

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bread machine goes beep. by LilFlightTest (2.00 / 0) #59 Wed Aug 17, 2011 at 07:13:21 PM EST
I open the lid, remove the loaf, and as soon as it's cool enough for me to cut without hurting myself, it's being eaten.
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if de-virgination results in me being able to birth hammerhead sharks, SIGN ME UP!!! --misslake
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I guess that fully answers my question. by ammoniacal (2.00 / 0) #61 Wed Aug 17, 2011 at 11:45:57 PM EST

"To this day that was the most bullshit caesar salad I have every experienced..." - triggerfinger

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Breadmakers by R343L (2.00 / 0) #52 Wed Aug 17, 2011 at 12:34:02 AM EST
Produce boring bread. Proper bread is made in 500F or hotter ovens.

"There will be time, there will be time / To prepare a face to meet the faces that you meet." -- Eliot
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You're talking bollocks. by BadDoggie (4.00 / 2) #18 Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 05:19:43 AM EST
ALL pressure cookers have safety release valves. The modern ones have two integrated into the handle system and the pressure setting block. I also have a 60-year-old one that has a third valve on top because there was no handle system then; it's a pin valve seated in a rubber grommet so that even if the valve doesn't release, the pressure will blow the grommet.

And then you have an almost completely sealed vessel which, even at the highest heat your stove can manage, can only smoke because no O2 is getting in. No fire. No explosion. Just the smell of "Oh fuck, i knew that was going to happen."

woof.

Jesus Christ you're a tool -- Dr Thrustgood

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Miami woman was killed by one this summer. by ammoniacal (2.00 / 0) #26 Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 08:55:48 AM EST
Get the facts, man.

"To this day that was the most bullshit caesar salad I have every experienced..." - triggerfinger

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Few realize the Port Chicago explosion by georgeha (4.00 / 1) #28 Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 09:36:44 AM EST
was caused by a broken pressure cooker.


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Pressure cookers did 9/11 by Herring (4.00 / 1) #29 Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 09:45:03 AM EST


christ, we're all old now - StackyMcRacky
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Yes, young men in the pressure cooker of Islam. by ammoniacal (2.00 / 0) #31 Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 09:51:04 AM EST
Can't say they were unattended because of the mullahs.

"To this day that was the most bullshit caesar salad I have every experienced..." - triggerfinger

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Which, in turn, was caused by Mrs. O'Leary's cow. by ammoniacal (2.00 / 0) #30 Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 09:47:00 AM EST

"To this day that was the most bullshit caesar salad I have every experienced..." - triggerfinger

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DFW by ucblockhead (4.00 / 1) #6 Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 06:28:57 PM EST
For some reason, reading something that the author didn't complete makes me queasy.  Who knows what relation the thing has to what he actually would have published?  How much of it would he have chopped for sucking?  What did Infinite Jest look like a year before it was published?  A work of genius or an unpublishable mess?
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[ucblockhead is] useless and subhuman
I grew up with one. by ambrosen (4.00 / 1) #7 Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 06:38:29 PM EST
My mum always uses it for cooking potatoes (and so do I when I'm at their house): 6 minutes under pressure, they don't come apart, and they taste much better. 4 minutes to parcook for roasting. And meat stock completely off the bone in an hour is great. Beans, well, my parents are awful at making beans, but they do cook quickly in it. I've no idea why people are thinking they explode. I've never heard of it over here.

They explode because people are idiots by notafurry (2.00 / 0) #8 Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 06:43:29 PM EST
And they think all tools that don't protect them from their idiocy are for professionals, fools, and the English.

Of course, with a modern pressure cooker, there are pretty good protections built in, but that doesn't matter. They've already been labeled "dangerous".

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My mother's mad keen on pressure cookers by TheophileEscargot (4.00 / 3) #14 Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 12:53:46 AM EST
She routinely cooks potatoes, stew, etc in them. I'm not that keen myself as it takes more effort to do the washing up with the extra bits, and doesn't seem to save that much cooking time. However, I'm not a real cook.

I'd never heard of the concept that they explode, seems pretty bizarre. The ones I've seen have a very simple valve at the top with a weight: when the pressure gets more than the weight, it moves up slightly and releases the pressure. I don't really see how you'd make one explode, unless you decided to arc-weld the valve weight in place.
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It is unlikely that the good of a snail should reside in its shell: so is it likely that the good of a man should?

No more weights on top by BadDoggie (2.00 / 0) #56 Wed Aug 17, 2011 at 08:26:05 AM EST
At least, not here in Soviet EUia. They're not accurate enough and bad things could happen, just like teenagers on acid could jump out of windows to fly, not that there was ever a documented case of either, but they make for great film plots.

Also, those weights are generally made of lead (because gold, uranium and other really dense metals are expensive).

woof.

Jesus Christ you're a tool -- Dr Thrustgood

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I love pressure cookers but by BadDoggie (4.00 / 2) #19 Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 05:33:50 AM EST
What the fuck are you going to do with one as a vegetarian?

Unless you're cooking a metric fuckton of dried beans every week, you don't need one as a veggie.

Quick! Name three vegetables that need or can even take more than 10 minutes of cooking at normal temperatures.

Pressure cookers are really there for meat. Cheap, tough parts of cows and sheep and goats and whatever else you manage to spear, and maybe also for whole chickens. Glub help you if you try to speed up cooking noodles in one (some food experiments are more memorable than others).

Far be it for me to talk someone out of buying kitchen toys -- I have more than a dozen whisks and a pot specially designed to cook asparagus which is useless for anything else -- but if you're asking whether it's worth the spend considering what you're eating, I don't think so.

Relevant.

woof.

Jesus Christ you're a tool -- Dr Thrustgood

All I ever use mine for by Herring (2.00 / 0) #20 Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 06:15:51 AM EST
a) Christmas pudding
b) Pease pudding
So tops it gets used twice a year. I would do meaty stuff in there but there are too many vegetarians in the house.

(Oh, and 3 vegetables that take more than 10 minutes: Maris Piper, Jersey Royal, King Edward)

christ, we're all old now - StackyMcRacky

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as notafurry says, great for canning by clover kicker (2.00 / 0) #21 Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 06:41:35 AM EST
My mom has a pressure cooker, that's the only thing it's ever used for.

Not sure many people bother with that anymore, although you do still see a small display of mason jars/lids etc. at the supermarket this time of year.

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that's my thought, too. by gzt (2.00 / 0) #32 Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 10:41:10 AM EST
I think the idea is that they'd be cooked at least once per week and we're too lazy/forgetful to soak them overnight or throw them in a crock and want to buy dry beans instead of paying the small premium for canned. I suppose it speeds up potatoes a lot.

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faster cooking beans by garlic (2.00 / 0) #33 Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 11:33:36 AM EST
sounds like a good reason to me. Because beans cook so slowly, even if they've been soaked.

The math to determine how much beans you'd have to cook to break even (vs switching to canned beans) is left as an exercise to the reader.


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In NY-effin'-City by BadDoggie (2.00 / 0) #35 Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 12:42:48 PM EST
cans of Goya beans run 3 or 4 for a buck.

woof.

Jesus Christ you're a tool -- Dr Thrustgood

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exactly. by gzt (2.00 / 0) #39 Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 03:15:43 PM EST
you save, maybe, at the most, a dime per if you didn't get them on sale.

the home-cooked beans do taste better, but, really, when you're throwing in some spices and eating them in a burrito with fresh vegetables and such, the beans themselves are almost an afterthought in the flavor profile. for some kind of bean soup, one obviously wants the best bean flavor possible.

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taste and convenience by R343L (2.00 / 0) #44 Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 06:11:25 PM EST
If you cook your own beans, you can do things like:
  • Cook in your scrumptious homemade veggie stock
  • Control the salt levels.
  • Not lug home massively heavy cans of beans.
  • Not have to deal with that weird goo that canned beans have
  • Cook mixture of similar beans at once for more interesting results.
  • Cook the beans with other spices or veggies (e.g. onions).
I dispute the idea that the bean flavor is an afterthought in something like a burrito. The number two thing I find unappetizing in veggie burritos is unflavorful, poorly cooked or poorly seasoned beans (the first is awful rice -- I usually solve this by not putting rice in them).

"There will be time, there will be time / To prepare a face to meet the faces that you meet." -- Eliot
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Well, that just about wraps it up. Har-har. by ammoniacal (2.00 / 0) #45 Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 06:21:48 PM EST
"The number two thing I find unappetizing in veggie burritos..."

"To this day that was the most bullshit caesar salad I have every experienced..." - triggerfinger

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I should cook beans more often by clover kicker (2.00 / 0) #38 Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 02:53:38 PM EST
But to me it's not the premium of canned beans, but how homemade baked beans are outrageously better then the barely edible stuff in cans.

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it depends on how you're eating the beans. by gzt (2.00 / 0) #40 Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 03:17:30 PM EST
See comment above. for bean soup or something, I totally agree. For a burrito with plenty of stuff in it, they're overshadowed.

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good point by clover kicker (2.00 / 0) #41 Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 04:11:43 PM EST
I'm kind of a boston baked beans kind of guy, the other ways of serving beans are a bit of a blind spot for me.

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that's terrible out of a can. by gzt (2.00 / 0) #43 Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 05:17:01 PM EST
I would never eat those out of a can.

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The Pale King by barooo (2.00 / 0) #42 Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 04:29:47 PM EST
I think it's worth reading, but it's somewhat unsatisfying.  There are some great parts, and there are some parts you wish had more, and there are some parts that just aren't there you wish were there.

If you want to borrow it and we can figure out logistics you're welcome to. 

man, i need a beefy taco now.
-gzt
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