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By ucblockhead (Wed Jul 28, 2010 at 02:58:15 PM EST) (all tags)
The most insightful critique I've come across.

(Spoilers, obviously)



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fuckitall by sasquatchan (2.00 / 0) #1 Wed Jul 28, 2010 at 03:05:21 PM EST
folks still haven't figured out if Total Recall was a dream or not. This is just windowdressing on the same theme.



I think this movie has less to do with by ObviousTroll (2.00 / 0) #3 Wed Jul 28, 2010 at 03:23:16 PM EST
Total Recall (which, I think, was a dream/artificial memory)  than it does to Dark City.

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Read the article by ucblockhead (2.00 / 0) #4 Wed Jul 28, 2010 at 03:52:45 PM EST
His point is that the "is it a dream" question is secondary and that what it really is is a metaphor for filmmaking.
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and my oblique point is by sasquatchan (2.00 / 0) #7 Wed Jul 28, 2010 at 04:30:45 PM EST
who cares.. In the post-post-modern world, who cares what the author/artists' original intended message is. What matters is how people perceive it -- is it a dream or not ? and I'm saying that theme has been around a hell of a long time, and I mock it by playing up Total Recall.

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GET TO DA CHOPPA!! by ammoniacal (2.00 / 0) #6 Wed Jul 28, 2010 at 04:11:17 PM EST

"With no power comes no responsibility." ~ Kick-Ass
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I'm going to see it again on Friday by TheophileEscargot (2.00 / 0) #2 Wed Jul 28, 2010 at 03:22:58 PM EST
But at the moment I think a lot of the Internet theories are over-complicated. It seemed to me to be designed to be ambiguous between two specific possibilities. Whether he woke up in the real world, or if he's still trapped in Limbo. The first is the most obvious, but there are clues to the second too: the way his kids are dressed the same as in his memory, the top doesn't stop, and there's no transition from the airport to the house.

I think that as with the discussion of Bad Lieutenant, the problem with it's-all-a-dream or Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge he's-dead endings is that they're clichés by now. Fans leap at them, but the better writers and directors are bored by them.
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Article by ucblockhead (2.00 / 0) #5 Wed Jul 28, 2010 at 03:54:53 PM EST
That's why I liked this article.  It goes far deeper than "is it a dream".
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Dunno by TheophileEscargot (2.00 / 0) #8 Wed Jul 28, 2010 at 04:38:01 PM EST
I thought it weakens it really.

The tension of the movie depends on the way that if you're in a solo dream, your own mind can't create deep, fulfilling relationships with the simulated characters, since they're not individuals in their own mind.

So, first it's hugely arrogant if the motto is ...unless you're me, Christopher Nolan, 'cos I'm just so fantastic my fantasies are as rich as reality itself.

Second, with the two possibilities I mentioned, either the success or failure is a big deal, but only if reality is a higher and better state than a dream.

If he succeeded, he's back with his real family, his real kids are back with him, and he's escaped from his unhealthy relationship with the dream-Mal into the real world. If he failed, then he's trapped in an unreal, stale Limbo for eternity and is going to be slowly driven insane by his isolation.

But if reality is no better or worse than a dream, then the journey from one to the other is dramatically meaningless. If he's succeeded and gone from dream to reality: it's no big deal. If he's failed and gone from reality to dream: that's no big deal either.
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Truth is not always interesting. Many things are believed because they are interesting; although, in fact, there is little other evidence in their favour.
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I think the big point... by gzt (2.00 / 0) #9 Thu Jul 29, 2010 at 12:25:38 PM EST
...is that he doesn't care if the top stops at the end. He spins it and walks away without looking.

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Wasn't he by TheophileEscargot (2.00 / 0) #10 Thu Jul 29, 2010 at 03:28:09 PM EST
Walking over to give his kids a hug though? That might have been a higher priority than double-checking the nature of existence.
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Truth is not always interesting. Many things are believed because they are interesting; although, in fact, there is little other evidence in their favour.
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yes, but that's right by gzt (4.00 / 1) #11 Thu Jul 29, 2010 at 03:49:55 PM EST
He cares about hugging his kids, not testing existence.

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Why spin the top then? by TheophileEscargot (2.00 / 0) #12 Fri Jul 30, 2010 at 02:04:45 AM EST
We know he's been missing his kids for a while, so he's probably going to give them priority for a bit, then check the top later.
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Truth is not always interesting. Many things are believed because they are interesting; although, in fact, there is little other evidence in their favour.
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then why... by gzt (2.00 / 0) #13 Fri Jul 30, 2010 at 08:13:52 AM EST
...would he turn away in all the previous scenes? he has now had catharsis and no longer cares, at least nominally, because he believes he is not in a dream. but if he really believes that, why spin the top?

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Watched it again last night by TheophileEscargot (2.00 / 0) #14 Sat Jul 31, 2010 at 03:51:48 AM EST
About ten minutes before you had the big scene where Mal begs him to stay in Limbo with her and the Limbo-kids, and he agonizingly refuses, wanting to get back to reality.

I just don't see why after that big emotional moment "he doesn't care if the top stops at the end". If he doesn't care about what's real anymore, he might as well have stayed with the Limbo-kids.

Every time he comes out of a dream he spins the top at an early opportunity: in the hotel room after the initial heist for instance. I think he just did the same thing this time, but got distracted by the sight of his kids.
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