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By technician (Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 06:14:53 PM EST) (all tags)
And what's the worst that can happen?

Nothing useful to read here. I promise. It's a political rant, half formed and trollish.



What is the worst that can happen? I read Deer Hunting with Jesus and immediately sent a copy to my dad for just one of the ideas in it, hoping it could sink in. That idea, expressed in a way that makes less sense on the surface of it, is our way of life is under attack.

Politically, there are two very distinct groups of people who believe whole-heartedly that their "way of life" is under attack: people who are anywhere right-of-center politically, and people whose way of life is actually under attack.

The politics of poor white folk in the southern US is, well, peculiar. Southern whites these days tend to vote for people who have zero interest in helping them or enabling them in any meaningful way. They tend to vote for people who are anti-union, anti-free-speech, pro-war (a large section of the armed forces of the US come directly from the southern US white population), pro-corporation, pro-profit at all cost. They tend to vote for politicians who are in bed with the corporations who lay them off and offshore their jobs. And they tend to know all of this, but they externalize their hate and blame anything other than the masters of their houses. In the book, this is tied back to their heritage: Scots Irish who were used as ballast for ships returning from tobacco and cotton delivery. Folks who've been under the heel for generations, behaviorally adapted to be drawn to those more powerful for protection. Like a stereotypical abused wife or long term prisoner, the more abuse, the more they express their devotion.

A good chunk of this is directly traced to the prevalent religious attitudes born out of the same swamp the politics come from. The greater the punitive threat, the greater the intangible and un-attainable reward, the more fervent and fanatic the devotion. A belief, direct and written, that suffering is not only born with us, but anticipated and relished, suffered through and eventually soothed. Sins forgiven, at the dying moment the soul attains greater material and spiritual treasure than the body could imagine.

Hypocrisy and stubbornness aside, the root cause of this poor white voting block's behavior is really a deep psychological conditioning that demands control by fear. The carrot and stick are replaced by a stick and a much larger stick, and whole generations of them fall victim to the lesser of two perceived evils. Thanks to modern media supplying them with fear 24 hours a day, and the echo chamber of talk radio, these folks are in a frenzy. Right now what frenzies them and fills their faces with blood are:

  • Barack Hussein Obama
  • Terrorism in the US and abroad
  • Mexicans and other illegals
  • China (where jobs go)
  • Taxes (nothing specific)
  • Anything socialized or decriminalized
  • A perceived attack on Christianity
  • Gay Agenda
  • Bankers who are in cahoots with liberal elites
  • Liberal elites
  • Freedom of Speech
  • Abortions

There are some others, but any of these will send someone prototypical (my cousins, for instance) into a panic no red scare ever elicited.

In my many, many dealings with folks like this at work and at family functions, I've found a resistance to fact and discourse that borders on psychotic. The resistance to basic facts about rights, taxes, government (idealistically and statistically), healthcare(!), and the like is downright alarming to experience. I'm not sure how many people actually have exposure to a truly psychotic person. Someone who has delusions that replace their eyesight with hallucinatory hells (or heavens), someone who doesn't talk to you so much as at you. People who don't share our collective reality. I've worked with some very, very deeply disturbed people in a clinical way (mostly while studying to become a paramedic way back when), and it is an alarming thing.

Some of these folks, these poor white southerners, are exactly like this. They exhibit a mental disorder that replaces the world with a fear-soaked mundane hell. They have replaced reality with talk radio. Jobs shipped to China? It's those bankers who all support Obama. Terrorists, who hate our freedoms and who hate our religion, they're right outside our door thanks to the lax immigration standards put in place by years of liberal political nonsense. We haven't won in Afghanistan or Iraq because too many cry-baby liberals won't let us nuke the place. We'd get more information from prisoners of war if we tortured them live on TV. We need strong religious fundamentals taught in public school, and we need a preacher for a president. We'll all be speaking Spanish soon and we're losing the US, we;'re losing the dominance we had, we're losing our religions and our youth to the cultural morass of Internets, Europeans, and Modern Life. We're losing everything all the time, and hell even the oil is running out. We're all about to die horribly at the hands of some greasy foreigner who wants to socialize our towns and force us to work for a collective good, the fuckers.

And they believe this, truly. With a sort of brainwashed emptiness that makes any exchange of information impossible; you cannot speak with any reason to an animal that doesn't live in your dimension. The best you can do is study it, and learn how to make it jump.

And when you do, you get a suit and run for office. It's the law.

To balance this, we have folks on the left who truly want some good-for-humanity things to happen that blind themselves to criticism and reality, only to be brutally reminded of their own inability to come together, cult-like, and restructure their culture to match their own hypocrisy. Maybe some day with enough kids suffering through years of faux-liberal politicians (like, say, most Democrats) a new sort of delusional whitewash will cover their painful lives with an ointment of political promise not unlike religion. They'll start electing and buying into politicians who do nothing to help them. They'll feel entitled to live in a way that they cannot possibly afford. They'll vote for a president who will promise them the sort of global rational change that W promised the right, and then drive them further into corporate-owned slavery. Some day, the left will have the same sort of hypocritical OH WAIT.

In the end, the world turns and we're all going to hell in a handbasket, but really we've been on our way there since just before the first slave owner sorted out that he could own people. and we'll be in this handbasket on our way to hell for the duration. And while I hope that real, true government by the people, for the people, and of the people is actually a thing that can be attained, I know that really I just need to shut the fuck up and eat my dinner.

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we had a big old omlette. by clock (4.00 / 1) #1 Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 06:39:58 PM EST
it was really good.  with wheat biscuits and apple butter i made my own self.  tasty all around.


I agree with clock entirely --Kellnerin



Reminds me by technician (4.00 / 1) #8 Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 08:07:19 PM EST
that the next time I go to your place, I have jars of stuff for y'all. Apple butter and the like.

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awesome! by clock (2.00 / 0) #15 Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 11:07:04 PM EST
any time this month?


I agree with clock entirely --Kellnerin

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Which month is this? by technician (4.00 / 1) #16 Sat Feb 06, 2010 at 12:16:21 AM EST
Possibly. With any luck I'll be able to bring the wife.

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A+! by clock (4.00 / 1) #19 Sat Feb 06, 2010 at 08:28:04 AM EST
send word 24 hours in advance and we'll be ready.


I agree with clock entirely --Kellnerin

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On the positive side, there's Jim Webb by georgeha (4.00 / 1) #2 Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 06:47:00 PM EST
and I bet you saw that dkos/r2000 poll, way too many  self identified Republicans think Obama is an illegimate, white hating socialist.




I didn't... by technician (2.00 / 0) #10 Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 08:09:44 PM EST
I find most of dkos as repellent as fox, but for different reasons.

Oddly, the guy over at Little Green Footballs recently woke up and started thinking for himself. He was immediately crucified by his former followers.

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FWIW by Captain Tenille (2.00 / 0) #14 Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 10:59:59 PM EST
The polling stuff is done by an independent pollster, not by Daily Kos itself.


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After the comment, by technician (2.00 / 0) #17 Sat Feb 06, 2010 at 12:17:09 AM EST
I looked. Actually quite good, statistics-wise, and it fits what I know of my own family and co-workers.

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the rich and the poor by MillMan (4.00 / 2) #3 Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 07:16:44 PM EST
understand power. The middle class has the option to believe whatever it wants.

Middle class (enlightenment and entitlement) myths are a lot less scary than the terror driven myths of the poor.

"Just as there are no atheists in foxholes, there are no libertarians in financial crises." -Krugman


Some of these by technician (2.00 / 0) #9 Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 08:08:15 PM EST
folks are as poor as you can be in America and still have talk radio.

Tens of thousands in debt, living on couches, working for nothing.

Loving the enemy.

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You are half right by ucblockhead (2.00 / 0) #21 Sat Feb 06, 2010 at 12:41:14 PM EST
The poor are generally extremely easy to manipulate.
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[ucblockhead is] useless and subhuman
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Almost everyone is really easy to manipulate by jimgon (2.00 / 0) #24 Sat Feb 06, 2010 at 03:33:04 PM EST

Sentences are specifically structured to do it at an unconscious level so that people are never aware that it is happening.  It's not that hard to do. 



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The Political Mind by George Lakoff by jimgon (4.00 / 1) #4 Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 07:28:50 PM EST
Buy it.  Read it.  All will become known.  You won't be at peace, but you will know exactly why this has come to pass.  And then you will become truly concerned for your future.



Oh God the last thing I need by technician (2.00 / 0) #6 Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 08:05:25 PM EST
is more concern.

What I need is a plan.

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There is a plan by jimgon (4.00 / 1) #13 Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 09:55:29 PM EST
But the Democrats are too stupid to use it. 

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exposure to a truly psychotic person by wiredog (4.00 / 1) #5 Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 08:04:51 PM EST
I'm in AA. Lots of psychos here. Some of them actually diagnosed, and under treatment.

Earth First!
(We can strip mine the rest later.)



Oh man. by technician (4.00 / 1) #7 Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 08:06:41 PM EST
Then, yeah, you know that look.

Sort of through you. Or into some other you.

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these people by sasquatchan (4.00 / 1) #11 Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 08:32:55 PM EST
don't believe what I believe. Therefore, they are crazy.



That's not it. by technician (2.00 / 0) #12 Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 09:33:54 PM EST
Science is not belief.

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so do you agree or disagree by sasquatchan (2.00 / 0) #23 Sat Feb 06, 2010 at 03:13:20 PM EST
with the teabagger that wants poll taxes/poll tests brought back ?


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how will they work better than last time? by garlic (4.00 / 1) #25 Sat Feb 06, 2010 at 04:11:40 PM EST
I understand being angry at the government misusing money. I'm ok with a general anger about it. But that anger needs to be directed in a better direction, hopefully a self-educating direction. It's ok to want to cut taxes, but you can't also not want to cut social security, medicare, or defense if you're goal is a balanced budget.

Suck it
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I would have fewer objections to poll tests by georgeha (2.00 / 0) #27 Sat Feb 06, 2010 at 05:38:10 PM EST
if I were confident that they would be applied equally to every voter and candidate.

Historically of course, they were used to keep blacks disenfranchised.


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Should a poor person by sasquatchan (2.00 / 0) #28 Sat Feb 06, 2010 at 08:16:50 PM EST
who gets the EITC be eligible to vote ? They don't pay taxes.. Why should someone who doesn't contribute get a say ?


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humanity? by Merekat (4.00 / 1) #31 Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 04:33:45 AM EST
No taxation without representation is a wonderful, but non-commutative, statement.


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Yes by georgeha (2.00 / 0) #32 Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 08:17:47 AM EST
There's more to the American government than taxes.

Otherwise, you may as well index votes to taxes paid, in which case the US becomes hostage to the top 1% earners.


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Contributions by lm (2.00 / 0) #33 Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 09:01:44 PM EST
Taxes are probably the least of the contributions that the average citizen makes to society.

Aside from which, your statement is untrue. A relatively small proportion of those who receive the EITC don't pay taxes even if you only define paying taxes as doing so at the federal level. That group gets even smaller if you count property taxes, automobile taxes, gas taxes, sales taxes, and etc.


There is no more degenerate kind of state than that in which the richest are supposed to be the best.
Cicero, The Republic
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I disagree. by technician (2.00 / 0) #30 Sat Feb 06, 2010 at 08:21:55 PM EST
The problem isn't with stupid people voting.

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wash post article by sasquatchan (4.00 / 1) #38 Mon Feb 08, 2010 at 12:16:28 PM EST
oddly enough talks to you. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/04/AR2010020403698.html

It follows that the thinkers, politicians and citizens who advance conservative ideas must be dupes, quacks or hired guns selling stories they know to be a sham. ... But, if conservative leaders are crass manipulators, then the rank-and-file Americans who support them must be manipulated at best, or stupid at worst.

(columnist, not article.. Editorial maybe..)

And said column quotes the Kos study, garlic..

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The thing is, though, by technician (2.00 / 0) #39 Mon Feb 08, 2010 at 09:39:45 PM EST
I know the and they aren't idiots. What they are is True Believers in a cult that I cannot fathom. From my horizon, they look psycho. From their horizon, I'm just another crazy liberal...yet I support fiscal responsibility and I carry guns, so I confuse them.

I dunno. It gets confusing.

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blimey by Merekat (4.00 / 1) #20 Sat Feb 06, 2010 at 08:38:40 AM EST
You read all the way though the above, and that's what you want to comment?


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ok I could add by sasquatchan (2.00 / 0) #22 Sat Feb 06, 2010 at 03:11:09 PM EST
don't believe what I believe and are therefore crazy, but that's because they are oppressed and stupid and need me to help them see the errors of the way.


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what do you think about the above mentioned by garlic (2.00 / 0) #26 Sat Feb 06, 2010 at 04:12:17 PM EST
republicans believe X poll?

Suck it
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so if a poll by sasquatchan (2.00 / 0) #29 Sat Feb 06, 2010 at 08:18:22 PM EST
shows a group I disagree with to hold some strange beliefs it's ok to demonize the lot ?


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how bout you answer the question by garlic (2.00 / 0) #34 Mon Feb 08, 2010 at 08:47:29 AM EST
I know you don't like technicians post, I've moved on.

Suck it
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no link by sasquatchan (2.00 / 0) #35 Mon Feb 08, 2010 at 10:10:46 AM EST
and I stay as far away from Kos as I do red state or whatever the latest foam-pool site is..

(And what about polls that show a majority of african americans believe AIDS was created in a gov't lab to kill black folks, etc etc blah blah blah.)

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(Comment Deleted) by garlic (2.00 / 0) #36 Mon Feb 08, 2010 at 11:47:48 AM EST

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let me google that for you. by garlic (2.00 / 0) #37 Mon Feb 08, 2010 at 11:49:49 AM EST
research 2000

Suck it
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Pass the motherfuckin' taters by ammoniacal (4.00 / 1) #18 Sat Feb 06, 2010 at 01:26:07 AM EST
please.

It was an unholy union of text and pulped wood that the Ancients used to distribute their blogs.


This made me cry by StackyMcRacky (4.00 / 1) #40 Tue Feb 09, 2010 at 01:11:30 PM EST
because it pretty much describes what my father has turned into.  I blame the brain meds.



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