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By gzt (Fri Sep 25, 2009 at 12:07:16 PM EST) gzt, boring detail, environment (all tags)
I'm taking the afternoon off because of the following:
  1. I have to get the emissions test done today.
  2. I may drop by the art supply store to pick up blank stationery.
  3. I should drop off my suit for alterations. I don't know whether or not I really need to have the waist of the jacket taken in. I'll see how it wears, I guess, when I get the pants back.
  4. I can spare the time.

I decided to try out Chrome last night because Firefox was being a slow resource hog and it just doesn't do gmail or other Ajax things well on my computer. 1GB RAM. IE7 is also fairly slow. And by slow I mean system response rather than page loading. Chrome worked fairly well. I'm slightly worried about my Google overlords controlling my life. But I do think I'll be trying Chrome out a bit more, at least until I get more RAM.

The environment:

  1. Why aren't bidets a common feature in American household plumbing? They really are billions of times better, both environmentally and practically, than the alternative. Hmm. It seems bidet attachments may be rather economical. Further research will have to be done.
  2. So I've been poking around while waiting for some stuff at work, I've been looking into recycled toilet paper. It seems that, for once, Greenpeace is actually getting something done on an environmental issue. Huh.
  3. I think R is a lot more into the environment than me. Now, keep in mind, I used to canvass for a couple environmental groups. I care. But she's, uh, very into it.
  4. We talked about CFLs the other day. They are, generally, a great idea, but what about the mercury? And the workers in the factories producing them? And the packaging. Can't be oblivious to all the problematic issues involved with their production. Not merely the dangerous aspect of it, but the general conditions of factory labor in those countries.
  5. I'm pro-nuclear. Everything, in the end, is about trade-offs. I think the costs of nuclear are less than the other viable alternatives at the end of the day. I'm not exactly a policy analyst and don't have all the facts at my fingertips, nor am I oblivious to the concerns nuclear waste raises.
Okay, I have to write a "job aid" for something very quickly. For somebody bright like me, very little is necessary. For somebody with some technical skills, it takes a brief outline of what needs to get done, perhaps in order. With somebody who doesn't do anything like this, it requires some boring detail.
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CFL's depend on how you get electricity by georgeha (4.00 / 1) #1 Fri Sep 25, 2009 at 12:12:30 PM EST
if you get your electricity from burning coal, a CFL prevents more mercury from being burned in the coal than is in the CFL.

Mercury in CFL by marvin (2.00 / 0) #2 Fri Sep 25, 2009 at 12:22:58 PM EST
Don't break them and inhale the vapour; don't put them in areas with a high risk of breakage.

Couldn't be arsed to look it up, but I recall reading the mercury released into the environment by landfilling CFLs is dwarfed by the mercury and other heavy metals emitted from coal burning power plants when producing the extra power required for incandescent bulbs.

You should try to convince her that whale oil is a renewable resource, as it causes few to no heavy metal emissions - you'll only get PAHs and other carcinogens inside your house. Oil lamps look really retro around the house - definitely mood lighting.

That is indeed what they say. by gzt (2.00 / 0) #5 Fri Sep 25, 2009 at 12:35:06 PM EST
I think you can also find some way to burn blubber, too.

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Don't forget to buy her a nice whale bone corset by marvin (2.00 / 0) #7 Fri Sep 25, 2009 at 01:10:06 PM EST
Sort of analogous to using everything but the oink.

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Actual quote by ambrosen (2.00 / 0) #8 Fri Sep 25, 2009 at 01:25:43 PM EST
 from a current high school chemistry textbook, as a caption to a picture of a surfacing whale: "although the fatty acid chains in this whale contain many unsaturated carbon bonds, it is ethically incorrect to eat the meat of endangered species."

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The unabridged Moby Dick should have details by georgeha (4.00 / 1) #9 Fri Sep 25, 2009 at 01:42:50 PM EST
and you can take it on your honeymoon.

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50mg mercury by ambrosen (2.00 / 0) #3 Fri Sep 25, 2009 at 12:23:36 PM EST
That's not a lot of mercury for something that saves the burning of a few tons of coal. To whit: the mercury released to the environment by burning that much coal will be so much greater than the mercury in the CFL, which is hopefully recovered anyway.

It's like the nuclear versus coal argument about the radionucleitides (is that the word?) released to the environment in coal fired power station smokestacks.

Greenpeace doesn't have the image it does in the US over here, so I was pleased to see the reference in lm's article that said they'd endorsed Kimberley Clark's recycling initiative.

Bidets (not in my predictive text dictionary) intrigue me. I've never used one, but have needs that they may fulfil. I should really investigate.

My preferred toilet roll is one made from sugar canes, as I mentioned last time it came up. It's a good texture and strength.

It wasn't that they endorsed it. by gzt (2.00 / 0) #4 Fri Sep 25, 2009 at 12:31:26 PM EST
They pressured them into doing it. Okay, who knows how much of what they did played into the final decision, but there's clearly a correlation between what they were doing and the positive outcome, which is far more than anything I would ever expect from Greenpeace.

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re:toilet rolls by greyshade (2.00 / 0) #13 Fri Sep 25, 2009 at 04:19:01 PM EST
I'll have to look into that. Are there any retailers locally where you can buy, or do you have to get them online from sugarearth or some similar retailer?

"The other part of the fun is nibbling on them when they get off work." -vorheesleatherface
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It's in the local supermarket by ambrosen (2.00 / 0) #14 Fri Sep 25, 2009 at 04:40:39 PM EST
here. Which is certainly quite handy.

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Here's the best information I can find about it: by ambrosen (2.00 / 0) #15 Fri Sep 25, 2009 at 04:42:46 PM EST
From the designer. It seems the manufacturer's website is down. I hope it still exists.

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what about the mercury by wiredog (2.00 / 0) #6 Fri Sep 25, 2009 at 12:56:41 PM EST
I don't recall anyone getting upset about mercury in regular fluorescent tubes. Still haven't heard anyone complain about that.

Earth First!
(We can strip mine the rest later.)

TP by Gedvondur (2.00 / 0) #10 Fri Sep 25, 2009 at 03:22:40 PM EST
Its actually difficult to find toilet paper that ISN'T made from recycled paper.   None of the paper mills around here that produce toilet paper still make new paper. 

Most toilet paper is like 60-80% post-consumer and other recyclable paper.  They do add some new pulp, the pretty much have to, the fibers get far too short on recycle.

This is like the idiots at Greenpeace who were all bitchy about colored toilet paper.  Started a big campaign to "buy white toilet paper".

Ask yourself this:  What color is wood?  Sure as fuck ain't white.  Toilet paper is bleached to make it white.


"...I almost puked like a pregnant StackyMcRacky." --MillMan
No fair trolling by georgeha (2.00 / 0) #11 Fri Sep 25, 2009 at 03:45:03 PM EST
when the trollees aren't here.

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er what? by gzt (2.00 / 0) #12 Fri Sep 25, 2009 at 03:46:32 PM EST
kimberly clark agreeing to 40% from recycled or sustainable wood is a big change. as for bleaching, most people that care about recycled toilet paper, if only by looking at the marketing materials for recycled toilet paper companies, care about what bleaching agents are used.

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Well by Gedvondur (2.00 / 0) #17 Fri Sep 25, 2009 at 06:15:03 PM EST
I worked in the Northern paper mill.  As did my father, who retired from there last year.

They don't have a new pulp mill, only a secondary fiber mill, which is paper-speak for a recycle+ plant.  Some new pulp is added, but not anymore.  Fort Howard, (now Georgia-Pacific) has been using recycled paper as its main stock since the early 70s. (For Fort Howard, they invented a new process and it made the paper cheap, that's why they did it.)


"...I almost puked like a pregnant StackyMcRacky." --MillMan
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but according to their FAQ... by gzt (2.00 / 0) #18 Sat Sep 26, 2009 at 12:32:39 PM EST
What are the ingredients in Quilted Northern Ultra Plush? Is it made of recycled material?
Quilted Northern Ultra Plush is primarily made of virgin pulp fiber. While Quilted Northern Ultra Plush is not made of recycled materials, it is 100% biodegradable.

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I don't know where you live by lm (2.00 / 0) #16 Fri Sep 25, 2009 at 05:31:29 PM EST
But all the major consumer lines of the big brands out this way (Charmin, Northern, Cottonelle, etc.) are almost entirely non-recycled.

There is no more degenerate kind of state than that in which the richest are supposed to be the best.
Cicero, The Republic
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I get power washer bidet's, by garlic (2.00 / 0) #19 Mon Sep 28, 2009 at 11:28:49 AM EST
but the sink for your behind sort are less clear to me.

CFL by Breaker (2.00 / 0) #20 Tue Sep 29, 2009 at 09:29:31 AM EST

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