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By lylehsaxon (Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 01:08:10 PM EST) (all tags)
There's a certain video I took in 1991 of happy Tokyo commuters leisurely (hee-hee) boarding a morning rush-hour(s) express train.  I posted it to GoogleVideo first, and then it was copied and e-mailed everywhere, and many of those "everywhere" folks thought they'd help spread the joy by posting their shiny copy-versions of my video to YouTube.


Fast forward... about a year and a half... and the videographer/owner/copyright-holder (ahem! me!) requested that an over three-million views version be taken off the wires.  It was.  I then requested that a couple of other copy versions be taken down, and then I was shocked, disillusioned, and dismayed to see that some bloody idiot at Google (either an idiot or a biped with an evil heart) had killed my original YouTube post!  And just to add insult to injury, they deleted a couple of different videos of mine for good measure.

What do you think?  Are they sending me a nasty message ("That'll teach you to give us extra work!") to teach me not to request help with shutting down illegal copies of my videos?  It's almost hard to say which is worse - gross incompetence, or wicked mean-spiritedness.

Now, allow me to emphasize here that I have *never* posted *anything* to YouTube that I didn't take with my own two hands!  For Google to kill an author's own material and then notify them that they are being shut down by... themselves... this is just... wrong!  I've written three e-mails to the guy at Google who so thoughtfully sabotaged my YouTube page in order to help me (or was it his assistant?), but (so far) there is no reply and the videos remain dead.

Come on Google!  Show me you're not evil by bringing my wrongly murdered three YouTube posting back to life with their old URL's!

Yoroshiku onegai shimasu yo!

Lyle (Hiroshi) Saxon
http://www5d.biglobe.ne.jp/~LLLtrs/
http://uk.youtube.com/lylehsaxon

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He. Post this to slashdot. by wiredog (2.00 / 0) #1 Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 01:25:54 PM EST
It'll fit in with their "Google is Teh Eeeeviiilll" meme.

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(We can strip mine the rest later.)

Well by TheophileEscargot (2.00 / 0) #2 Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 01:27:59 PM EST
If the Google Video is still up, they may not know that your YouTube account belongs to the same person. It could for instance be a random guy who copied your username.

If you've used the same email address to register for both accounts, that might be evidence that you are you.

It seems a lot more likely to be incompetence, or over-helpfulness, than vindictiveness.
--
It is unlikely that the good of a snail should reside in its shell: so is it likely that the good of a man should?

Probably so... by lylehsaxon (2.00 / 0) #7 Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 07:06:10 PM EST
Re: "It seems a lot more likely to be incompetence, or over-helpfulness, than vindictiveness."

That's probably it, and then add in irresponsibility.  it would have been nice to have received a note saying sorry for inadvertently sabotaging my site, but there is only silence....

- LHS

The shortest way home is the longest way 'round....
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Recall the Missiles! by lylehsaxon (2.00 / 0) #11 Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 09:29:48 PM EST
It looks either like I should have been more patient, or else Google saw this story!  I have just been told:

"My apologies.

This content has been restored and your account will not be penalized.
For technical reasons, it may take a day for the video to be available
again."

The shortest way home is the longest way 'round....
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Message to YouTube: by lylehsaxon (2.00 / 0) #12 Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 09:33:32 PM EST
I've just sent this message to YouTube in reply to the news that they will be restoring my mistakenly taken down videos:


Thank you!

I'm working on putting out the fires....

Best regards,

Lyle H Saxon
Tokyo


The shortest way home is the longest way 'round....
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Incompetent. by BadDoggie (2.00 / 0) #3 Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 01:56:15 PM EST
Also, wiredog's close but gets no cigar. Submit this to Techdirt(dotcom) which doesn't have such an obvious anti-<company> slant but is very realistic on the copyright front from a post-post-latter-Keynsian economic POV.

woof.

OMG WE'RE FUCKED! -- duxup ?

Where's the fun in that? by wiredog (2.00 / 0) #4 Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 02:00:57 PM EST
This has the potential to get the SlashBots really going.

Earth First!
(We can strip mine the rest later.)

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/. is deader than k5 by BadDoggie (2.00 / 0) #5 Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 02:27:30 PM EST
But techdirt is only just now entering the death spiral, still disallowing ratings or moderation of any kind. It's kinda fun to watch from the sidelines. And sad, but also fun.

woof.

OMG WE'RE FUCKED! -- duxup ?

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I may do that... (Updated Text) by lylehsaxon (2.00 / 0) #8 Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 07:52:01 PM EST
I've added in some more information to the story:

"Is YouTube Incompetent, or Vindictive?"

There's a certain video I took in 1991 of happy Tokyo commuters leisurely (hee-hee) boarding a morning rush-hour(s) express train ("Actually Full Train in 1991 - (Why Flex-Time is a Good Idea)").  I posted it to GoogleVideo first (followed by posting it to YouTube), and then it was copied and e-mailed everywhere, and many of those "everywhere" folks thought they'd help spread the joy by posting their shiny copy-versions of my video to YouTube with various inaccurate titles (China, Argentina, Lithuania(!), etc.).

Fast forward... about a year and a half... and the videographer/owner/copyright-holder (ahem! me!) requested that an over three-million views version be taken off the wires ("Fail Train").  It was.  I then requested that a couple of other copy versions (with "Fail Train" titles) be taken down, and then I was shocked, disillusioned, and dismayed to see that some bloody idiot at Google (either an idiot or a biped with an evil heart) had killed my original YouTube post!  The murdered posting was my first YouTube postings of "Actually Full Train in 1991 - (Why Flex-Time is a Good Idea)", and for some reason they also murdered a couple of other videos of mine for some bloody reason: "Shakujikoen Sardine Run" & "Morning Tokyo Trains in 1991".  Maybe there's a ban on all videos taken in February 1991?

What do you think?  Are they sending me a nasty message ("That'll teach you to give us extra work!") to teach me not to request help with shutting down illegal copies of my videos?  It's almost hard to say which is worse - gross incompetence, or wicked mean-spiritedness.

Now, allow me to emphasize here that I have *never* posted *anything* to YouTube that I didn't take with my own two hands!  For Google to kill an author's own material and then notify them that they are being shut down by... themselves... this is just... wrong!  (The exact message that Lyle (Hiroshi) Saxon is getting here about his own videos is: "This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Lyle (Hiroshi) Saxon.")

I've written three e-mails to the guy at Google who so thoughtfully sabotaged my YouTube page in order to help me (or was it his assistant?), but (so far) there is no reply and the videos remain dead.

Come on Google!  Show me you're not evil by bringing my wrongly murdered three YouTube posting back to life with their old URL's!

"Actually Full Train in 1991 (Why Flex Time is a Good Idea)": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lf8Ig2M3Zq0
"Shakujikoen Sardine Run": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TUu-0DZD8c
"Morning Tokyo Trains in 1991": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53cgj-FJQhg

Yoroshiku onegai shimasu yo!

Lyle (Hiroshi) Saxon
http://www5d.biglobe.ne.jp/~LLLtrs/
http://uk.youtube.com/lylehsaxon


The shortest way home is the longest way 'round....
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Lose the "come on Google" comment by BadDoggie (2.00 / 0) #9 Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 09:00:08 PM EST
Make them writhe as much as possible. See the thunderf00t channel for ideas.

woof.

OMG WE'RE FUCKED! -- duxup ?

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Flying my ignorance on the breeze.... by lylehsaxon (2.00 / 0) #10 Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 09:07:56 PM EST
Just to show how ignorant I am, I will ask honestly: What is wrong with "Come on Google", beyond that it sounds childish and like it came from a high-school bozo?  Oh... is that it then....?

Too late, but I'll be more careful next time!

Thanks for the advice.

Lyle


The shortest way home is the longest way 'round....
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Pretty much by BadDoggie (2.00 / 0) #13 Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 09:35:14 PM EST
Google doesn't give a fuck about their public rep anymore. They do good, they do evil, they're too big to be idealistic. From their earliest days they only provided free meals and kept the cafeteria open all fucking night because it increased productivity beyond the value of the costs of doing so. Brin is rather notorious for his cold (and sensible) economical viewpoint on such matters.

They bought YouTube because they had to -- G-vid was a failure from the get-go and a lot of people knew it from the start. They run YT in such a way as to maximise <i>long-term</i> benefits and goals. <i>Benefits</i>, not "profits. Google are very smart in not worrying about the profit outlook, just the long-term goals. Collateral damage happens and only has to be considered when news of it spreads amongst their prime markets. Thunderf00t has learned this fairly quickly for a scientificalistical non-tech-head.

woof.

OMG WE'RE FUCKED! -- duxup ?

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waaaaaaaaaaa by Nigga (1.00 / 4) #6 Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 04:40:27 PM EST
a free video hosting site that hosts my shit for free was doing the job that i requested of them and in so doing accidently deleted the wrong video!!!  wahhhhhhhh... i'll call them names now and bitch and moan...  because this free video sharing site that hosts my shit for free owes me stuff!!!!



You've got a point, but... by lylehsaxon (2.00 / 0) #14 Tue Nov 10, 2009 at 09:10:07 AM EST
... I wish you had said it in a slightly more friendly way.

Lyle


The shortest way home is the longest way 'round....
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do you wish katie couric by Nigga (4.00 / 1) #15 Fri Nov 13, 2009 at 02:40:48 PM EST
had emasculated Palin in a more friendly way too?

It's a tough job bringing truth to the masses. 



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Accidents vs. Evil Intent by lylehsaxon (2.00 / 0) #16 Sat Nov 14, 2009 at 04:55:14 AM EST
Hey, I overreacted to a mistake that Google made.  Sorry about that.  I'm a big fan of Google and regularly defend them at work when they are criticized by some MS-lovers.  I don't think you should compare an accident and an overreaction to it to evil intent....

Lyle


The shortest way home is the longest way 'round....
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