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By Dr Thrustgood (Mon Mar 02, 2009 at 03:19:37 PM EST) (all tags)
In light of this news story.


Right then, apparently the CIA have huge amounts of intelligent people working for them.

Apparently, the CIA have historically used torture as a means of extracting intelligence from detainees.

From what I've read, intelligence extracted under duress is useless.

So, my stupid question: if intelligence gained from torturous methods is useless, why have none of the great minds working for the CIA realised this?

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The great minds did by BadDoggie (4.00 / 6) #1 Mon Mar 02, 2009 at 03:42:11 PM EST
However, the great minds were told to STFU by the fucking appointed ideological and sycophantic cronies.

woof.

OMG WE'RE FUCKED! -- duxup ?

I have to wonder by Dr H0ffm4n (4.00 / 1) #6 Tue Mar 03, 2009 at 12:55:26 AM EST
Who says that intelligence extracted under duress is useless? Surely it depends on the line of questioning and corroboration or verification.

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yes by jump the ladder (2.00 / 0) #8 Tue Mar 03, 2009 at 02:23:23 AM EST
Where is the scientific literature saying torture is complately useless as an interrogation method. I too have heard this phrase banded about but have no idea where it comes from.

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It probably isn't completely useless by Merekat (4.00 / 1) #9 Tue Mar 03, 2009 at 04:57:31 AM EST
But should also (like all intelligence) not be relied upon without corroboration. Not even if it seems to give the answers you want.


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Scenario modelling by Herring (4.00 / 1) #11 Wed Mar 04, 2009 at 01:24:37 PM EST
Scenario 1:
Interrogator: What's your gmail password?
Suspect: Infidel scum!
(Interrogator enters "Infidel scum". Denied)
Interrogator: Is that with or without the "!"?
Suspect: Your mother is in the WI but is unable to make satisfactory jam
(Interrogator applies pressure to testicles)
Suspect: AGGHHH! It's 'A' 'l' 'l' 'a' '4'
(Interrogator enters password. Accepted)

Scenario 2:
Interrogator: So, you are planning to attack the US of A
Suspect: No
(Interrogator applies pressure to testicles)
Suspect: AGGHHHH - OK YES

christ, we're all old now - StackyMcRacky

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"The CIA" by blixco (4.00 / 4) #2 Mon Mar 02, 2009 at 03:42:16 PM EST
isn't a single, or single-minded, entity. Some of the higher-ups are old-school fingernail pulling torture-using operatives from the age of alcoholic spies.

Some are analysts from the modern age, scientists, information operatives, analysts from the new school.

Some are politicians, pure and simple.

The prevailing attitudes change like the weather.

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Well ... by lm (4.00 / 2) #3 Mon Mar 02, 2009 at 04:41:33 PM EST
Look at who had the final say on CIA policy over the last 8 years.

There is no more degenerate kind of state than that in which the richest are supposed to be the best.
Cicero, The Republic
People are dumb by duxup (4.00 / 1) #4 Mon Mar 02, 2009 at 06:20:10 PM EST
There is a lot of good info out there about not being a dick, or not killing everyone on the planet with nuclear weapons, and such.  Somehow just that knowledge doesn't keep people doing the right thing. 

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Mistake. by Tonatiuh (2.00 / 0) #5 Tue Mar 03, 2009 at 12:50:58 AM EST
"apparently the CIA have huge amounts of intelligent people working for them"

Wrong assumptions, wrong questions, wrong conclusions...


goals and how to acheave them by codemonkey uk (4.00 / 5) #7 Tue Mar 03, 2009 at 01:50:09 AM EST
Torture is used to extract confessions.  The bush administration (and thus the CIA) main goal was not the acquisition of quality intelligence, but the acquisition of individuals who could be convincingly fingered for terrorism.

It's like police crime targets, or an other ill considered performance metric/target - the end result is the individual optimising for the metric, not for the stated goal.



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Almost as Smart As you.

The reason torture is used by dmg (2.00 / 0) #10 Tue Mar 03, 2009 at 11:47:41 AM EST
Is not to only extract information. If word gets out that torture is taking place (and it often does) it can act as a deterrent.





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Unless by Merekat (2.00 / 0) #12 Wed Mar 04, 2009 at 10:21:55 PM EST
Who it is trying to deter is already in full victim mode and assumed this anyway.


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Well Indeed by dmg (2.00 / 0) #13 Thu Mar 05, 2009 at 12:15:27 PM EST
It can also provoke people into actions that later allow you to label them as 'extremists' or 'terrorists'. 
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