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By hulver (Tue Oct 20, 2009 at 03:10:22 PM EST) (all tags)
So, I'm thinking of adding email notifications to HuSi.


They would be on.
  1. New private message.
  2. Somebody you've hotlisted writes a diary.
  3. You get a new reply to a comment / diary.
So it's basically the hotlist, but via email. Of course, as usual it's optional.

My reasons?

I think it would help with the lack of traffic we've got here at the moment. It might prompt people to check the site a bit more. People might be inclined to comment more if stories are more recent when they read them.

That's it really.

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Seems a bit Web 1.0 by TheophileEscargot (4.00 / 2) #1 Tue Oct 20, 2009 at 03:29:24 PM EST
What about Twitter feeds or a Faceybook app? Might look snazzier on your CV too.
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Twitter by hulver (2.00 / 0) #8 Tue Oct 20, 2009 at 04:14:57 PM EST
Post an automatic tweet when you post a diary?
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I was thinking by TheophileEscargot (2.00 / 0) #13 Tue Oct 20, 2009 at 04:33:14 PM EST
Just an equivalent of:
http://www.hulver.com/scoop/user/_all_/rss/Diary/backend.rdf

Each time a diary is posted, it generates a tweet with the diary title and a link.

I've never used the Faceybook, but presumably you could do some equivalent that sends someone a message. Unless that bans all links to the outside universe.

I feel like the world's just gone back to the early Nineties again. We're back to "Push Media" and walled gardens because the Internet's too scary.
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It is unlikely that the good of a snail should reside in its shell: so is it likely that the good of a man should?

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A tweet from who? by hulver (2.00 / 0) #14 Tue Oct 20, 2009 at 04:34:39 PM EST
A tweet to the users twitter, or a HuSi twitter feed that people could follow?
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Just one HuSiDiaries Twitter feed by TheophileEscargot (4.00 / 1) #15 Tue Oct 20, 2009 at 04:35:49 PM EST
Otherwise you'd go mad trying to set up all the accounts.
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It is unlikely that the good of a snail should reside in its shell: so is it likely that the good of a man should?
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Presumably by lm (2.00 / 0) #32 Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 04:22:31 AM EST
Users that wanted a twitter interface could set up their own account for tweets about the diaries they write. All hulver would have to do is make a place in the user preferences for the twitter info, no?

There is no more degenerate kind of state than that in which the richest are supposed to be the best.
Cicero, The Republic
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Well by TheophileEscargot (2.00 / 0) #46 Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 04:58:33 PM EST
For the code to post to Twitter, he'd have to store the Twitter login, and the poster would have to trust him to store those details securely.

But it wouldn't really save the user that much effort, because it's easy enough to post a single Tweet manually when you've bothered to write a diary. Posting to Twitter is about as easy as typing a line in a chat or IRC client.

Also I'm not sure how much it would do for the primary goal of driving more traffic to HuSi. First, diary writers have to bother to set up this syndication, and then diary readers have to find and bother to subscribe to these individual Twitter feeds. Not sure a lot of people would end up on HuSi that way.
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It is unlikely that the good of a snail should reside in its shell: so is it likely that the good of a man should?

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Twitter is neither here nor there to me by lm (2.00 / 0) #47 Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 05:29:29 PM EST
I don't use it. I don't have an account. I have no desire of using it.

But folks like my wife to whom Tweeting is like breathing, I think, would greatly appreciate writing a diary and having it Tweeted. Whether or not there is anyone among HuSi's native population like that, I have no idea. But I think, in general, it would be a popular feature of a blogging site.


There is no more degenerate kind of state than that in which the richest are supposed to be the best.
Cicero, The Republic
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There are about thirty by TheophileEscargot (4.00 / 1) #48 Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 01:23:54 AM EST
Current or former HuSi users on Twitter, including me.

I think that (and possibly the Faceybook) are partly responsible for the drop in traffic. For links or pictures or one-liners or quick updates, you might as well just tweet it, since that's so much easier and there are low expectations.

But most people who keep a blog and are on Twitter just manually send a tweet when they do. It's just so easy to do you'd hardly be saving any effort.

It does feel very laborious posting to HuSi by comparison, especially since I'm usually doing it by phone over a flaky connection these days. Paste everything in, press preview, oh it's timed out, try again, oh it's bitching about the HTML tags, try again, it's timed out, try again, oh it's bitching about a blank href, try again, it's timed out, try again, oh it's worked try hitting post, hooray it's posted, oh look it's fucked up all the quote marks, oh look everyone's bitching about a broken link...
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It is unlikely that the good of a snail should reside in its shell: so is it likely that the good of a man should?

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And of course by TheophileEscargot (2.00 / 0) #49 Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 03:09:28 AM EST
Oh it's mysteriously gone back to auto-format, oh my finger just brushed the ginormous logout link slap-bang in the middle of the stuff you have to click all the time...
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It is unlikely that the good of a snail should reside in its shell: so is it likely that the good of a man should?
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I think you're overanalyzing by lm (2.00 / 0) #51 Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 06:28:19 AM EST
Maybe I misunderstand hulver but my impression that drawing traffic is a secondary concern and that the real goal is to make the site more fun for those who are already here.

There is no more degenerate kind of state than that in which the richest are supposed to be the best.
Cicero, The Republic
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Indeed by hulver (2.00 / 0) #52 Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 06:51:42 AM EST
It's also to retain people who are already here.

I'm certainly not against people driving more traffic to the site as well. Via twitter or whatever, although I don't know if adding facebook support would be worth the bother.
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Cheese is not a hat. - clock

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That sounds a bit Turducken (nt) by codemonkey uk (2.00 / 0) #39 Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 12:47:18 PM EST
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Yo dawg by codemonkey uk (4.00 / 1) #41 Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 01:15:49 PM EST
I herd you like wastin' time online, so I put yur forums in yur facebook so you can procrastinate while you procrastinate.

--- Thad ---
Almost as Smart As you.
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AIM bot by ucblockhead (2.00 / 0) #22 Tue Oct 20, 2009 at 04:50:54 PM EST
An AIM bot could be useful as well.
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why not. by garlic (2.00 / 0) #29 Tue Oct 20, 2009 at 07:46:16 PM EST
icq too.

and get off my lawn.


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God no by R343L (4.00 / 3) #25 Tue Oct 20, 2009 at 04:57:39 PM EST
Well as long as it's optional (which I'm presuming you are presuming), yes. But I have absolutely no interest in my diaries, comments or otherwise being automagically posted to twitter / facebook / whatever.

I check the site often enough that looking for replies to my comments or diaries isn't a big deal though I suppose email would make it less manual.

"There will be time, there will be time / To prepare a face to meet the faces that you meet." -- Eliot

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PHP not necessarily needed. by ambrosen (2.00 / 0) #10 Tue Oct 20, 2009 at 04:18:04 PM EST
As there's a ruby interface available. Which sounds like a more fun language to learn.

And possibly mmangino might be willing to give a hand of some sort.

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Twitter by ucblockhead (2.00 / 0) #23 Tue Oct 20, 2009 at 04:52:11 PM EST
Google has a very nice python twitter API.
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Everyone's doing that shit by komet (4.00 / 2) #18 Tue Oct 20, 2009 at 04:42:21 PM EST
if a "snazzy CV" is what's required, well, I would like notifications via SWIFT and ACARS, access via a Bloomberg terminal, and the ability to receive them via DCE/RPC or CORBA to my enterprise.





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Also, there should be a Google Wave [nt] by TheophileEscargot (4.00 / 1) #19 Tue Oct 20, 2009 at 04:49:28 PM EST

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Fuck yeah by dmg (2.00 / 0) #26 Tue Oct 20, 2009 at 06:14:06 PM EST
Make sure it can talk to that 30 year old cobol system that we no longer have the source code for... 
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But aren't people who use Twitter to Tweet by wiredog (2.00 / 0) #33 Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 06:59:59 AM EST
known among the cognoscenti as "twats"?

Earth First!
(We can strip mine the rest later.)

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I vote for twitter. by Tonatiuh (2.00 / 0) #57 Thu Oct 29, 2009 at 09:30:03 AM EST
I dislike Facebook for their early disregard to privacy (do they still ask people to give their real names?)

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Suggestion by komet (2.00 / 0) #2 Tue Oct 20, 2009 at 03:57:20 PM EST
rather than (or in addition to) an email when somebody hotlisted writes a diary, how about an email when anybody writes a diary? It happens seldom enough.




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<ni> komet: You are functionally illiterate as regards trashy erotica.
well, there's already diary feeds.. couldn't there by infinitera (2.00 / 0) #3 Tue Oct 20, 2009 at 04:06:44 PM EST
just be an all section feed analogous to -
http://www.hulver.com/scoop/user/komet/rss/Diary/backend.rdf ?

[…] a professional layabout. Which I aspire to be, but am not yet. — CheeseburgerBrown

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Optional - opt-in or opt-out by marvin (2.00 / 0) #4 Tue Oct 20, 2009 at 04:06:45 PM EST
Speaking only for myself, when I get bored at work, I tend to chronically reload the site anyways. If I don't have time to check what is on the site, I'll read it when I have time / return from vacation.

The hotlist and the private message envelope (it becomes red or something?) tell me if there is any of that info. I probably check Husi more frequently than I do my email, so email notifications would be useless to me.

I'd prefer that it be opt-in for existing accounts. Don't really care if it is opt-in or opt-out at time of registration for new users.

Existing accounts by hulver (4.00 / 2) #7 Tue Oct 20, 2009 at 04:14:08 PM EST
I was going to send a one off email to existing accounts, with a link to turn email notifications on.
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Cory did that on photographica by kwsNI (2.00 / 0) #36 Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 07:41:43 AM EST
Implemented a system to email people the bi-weekly challenge.  Traffic spiked for a few days when he emailed his entire userbase, don't think it did much long term though.  Lot of people logged in just to make sure the feature was turned off.  Most people that have moved on will still be moved on in 3 weeks, sadly. 

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I think it might be good, and I might use it by codemonkey uk (2.00 / 0) #5 Tue Oct 20, 2009 at 04:13:08 PM EST
Would be my answer.

--- Thad ---
Almost as Smart As you.
I'd probably use it. by toxicfur (2.00 / 0) #12 Tue Oct 20, 2009 at 04:32:29 PM EST
I like the idea, especially for comments.
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The amount of suck that you can put up with can be mind-boggling, but it only really hits you when it then ceases to suck. -- Kellnerin
I would not use email notifications by fluffy (2.00 / 0) #16 Tue Oct 20, 2009 at 04:38:03 PM EST
I would, however, use PROPER RSS notifications.  Currently, having an RSS feed for specific diaries but only public ones is crap.  Being able to have a private RSS feed (i.e. not intended for sharing) which does the stuff you talked about at top would be perfect.

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Private rss by hulver (2.00 / 0) #20 Tue Oct 20, 2009 at 04:49:46 PM EST
I've never really looked at the authentication side of things.

If you are logged in, and your rss reader sends your session cookie, then you'll get all the private stories in the rss feed.
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Cheese is not a hat. - clock

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RSS is not intended to be used in that way by fluffy (2.00 / 0) #53 Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 02:40:09 PM EST
It specifically leaves any sort of auth out of things (feeds themselves are supposed to be portable, which is also why they don't support things like relative-path links and the like), and it's fundamentally incompatible with how third-party aggregators (such as Google Reader et al) work.

The hacky solution that a lot of things use instead is to provide an RSS feed with a permanent auth token, like

  example.com/foo.rss?key=238974289478923423974239

where that key has a one-way mapping to a user's credentials.  The downside is that if someone shares the RSS feed then other people can see their private stuff, but the idea is that people don't actually share those feeds with each other.

It's a compromise, but a necessary one.

busy bees buzz | sockpuppet revolution
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authenticated rss by zwhite (2.00 / 0) #27 Tue Oct 20, 2009 at 06:41:18 PM EST
Apparently already exists. See this comment from hulver:

http://www.hulver.com/scoop/comments/2009/8/19/13539/0834/24#24

I still haven't figured out how to make this work for google reader, though...

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i'd use it by clock (2.00 / 0) #17 Tue Oct 20, 2009 at 04:41:49 PM EST
it'd be cool to get an email when someone on my watchlist drops a diary or when i get a PM.  it'd also be awesome to get one when i get a comment in my diary or if someone replies to a comment of mine.  overkill maybe, but i'd use it.


I agree with clock entirely --Kellnerin

emails by ucblockhead (2.00 / 0) #21 Tue Oct 20, 2009 at 04:50:19 PM EST
I ended up turning most of that off for Facebook because I ended up with an inbox full of Facebook messages.  The only one I'd likely use is the new PM thing as PMs are a fairly rare occurrence.
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I'd use it. by ad hoc (2.00 / 0) #24 Tue Oct 20, 2009 at 04:54:38 PM EST

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as long as by Kellnerin (2.00 / 0) #28 Tue Oct 20, 2009 at 06:42:51 PM EST
each of the three items you listed above are separately configurable, cool. Maybe with a daily digest option.

I tend to reload the site more often than I have time to read/comment (much less write an actual diary), so the awareness of what's new is not the main barrier for me -- but I could see how that might be useful.

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"Plans aren't check lists, they are loose frameworks for what's going to go wrong." -- technician

I'd use it by duxup (2.00 / 0) #31 Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 03:46:10 AM EST
#### anything not web 1.0.

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gimmicist by yicky yacky (4.00 / 1) #35 Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 07:07:01 AM EST

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Can I get a snail mail notification instead? by mrgoat (4.00 / 4) #38 Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 12:27:56 PM EST
No one writes me letters these days, and I think it'd be fun.

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Heh by hulver (2.00 / 0) #42 Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 01:58:30 PM EST
I'm not doing that again in a hurry.
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can you provide the requisite army of snails? by infinitera (2.00 / 0) #44 Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 03:30:47 PM EST

[…] a professional layabout. Which I aspire to be, but am not yet. — CheeseburgerBrown

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They're busy doing other things. by mrgoat (4.00 / 2) #45 Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 04:38:48 PM EST
Like taking over the world very, very slowly.

Very ... Slowly

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If you sent me your address ... by me0w (2.00 / 0) #54 Sun Oct 25, 2009 at 08:11:34 PM EST
I would send you snail mail.


"the only reason we PMS is because our uterus is screaming at our brain to go out, get fucked, and have a baby ... and it makes us angry."

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Sending PM now! by mrgoat (2.00 / 0) #55 Mon Oct 26, 2009 at 09:14:31 AM EST
We can be pen pals! It'll be neat.

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YAY!!! by me0w (2.00 / 0) #56 Mon Oct 26, 2009 at 11:26:05 AM EST
I will send you things now!


"the only reason we PMS is because our uterus is screaming at our brain to go out, get fucked, and have a baby ... and it makes us angry."

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