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By Breaker (Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 08:29:29 AM EST) (all tags)
I'll share you mine if you'll share me yours!


The barbie season is upon us and I have already cooked for 20 already (two seperate barbie events though).

Now, I like a bit of chicken on the grill but find that chicken on the bone takes a long time to cook and is likely to be burnt to a crisp by the time it's done.  Sometimes I partly cook it in the oven to get it started but that's faff.

So, I do chicken breasts instead, in my special Breakertastic Chilli Soy marinade:

Dead easy - cut 4 chicken breasts in half lengthways.

In a bowl big enough for the chicken, mix:
6 tbsp sesame oil
2 tbsp rice wine vinegar
4 tsp light soy sauce
2 tsp dark soy sauce
1/2 tsp ground white pepper
4 minced cloves garlic
2 tblsp finely grated ginger
4 finely chopped bird eye chillis
1 tsp sugar
Optional - some minced or finely chopped coriander.

Mix everything well, add chicken and make sure each fillet is nicely covered.  Leave in the fridge for at least an hour, or overnight is better.

Cook it on the barbie as one of the last things you do - when the charcoal's lost its ferocious heat. 

So, any suggestions for lamb (currently I put olive oil, minced garlic, rosemary and thyme as the marinade), beef steak, or indeed, chicken?

At blixco's suggestion last year I did try and do a whole joint of beef but the barbeque I have is not really suited to cooking for that long - not enough space to get enough charcoal in there unfortunately.  I ended up finishing the roast in the oven.

So, chops and kebabs.  Next barbie I'll road test your recipes and recommendations and post a report.

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No point in barbequeing half of a chicken by debacle (4.00 / 2) #1 Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 09:00:40 AM EST
When you could do THE WHOLE THING.

I made kabobs on Father's Day (US). They were by many accounts delicious.


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See last but one para by Breaker (4.00 / 1) #3 Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 09:21:30 AM EST
I don't have the equipment to do anything larger than a chop.


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It's not about the size by debacle (4.00 / 3) #5 Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 09:23:57 AM EST
It's how you use it.

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It goes out. by Breaker (4.00 / 1) #11 Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 10:16:24 AM EST
Leaving the meat unfinished.


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Quick n easy suggestion from me by nebbish (4.00 / 2) #2 Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 09:17:26 AM EST
Halloumi cheese, stick it on the barbie for a bit until its charred. Makes a nice change from all the meat and salad.

At a barbecue I went to a few weeks ago we had trout a friend had caught that very day, wrapped in foil and cooked in the embers at the end. I think it might have been the best thing I've ever tasted.

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Intriguing by Breaker (4.00 / 1) #4 Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 09:22:26 AM EST
But how do you stop it from melting through the grate, or sticking?


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It's got a different texture from other cheeses by nebbish (4.00 / 2) #6 Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 09:24:44 AM EST
And burns rather than melts. Give it a whirl (helps if you've got a Turkish shop nearby).

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Lots of Turkish places around my way by Breaker (4.00 / 2) #12 Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 10:17:20 AM EST
I seem to recall being bewildered at the variety of halloumi available last time I bought some.  But that was for salads so I had no idea how it fares when cooked.

I shall be giving it a go though, thanks for the tip.


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I'll vouch for this by LinDze (4.00 / 1) #41 Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 03:22:29 AM EST
I'm a fan of halloumi with some roasted peppers. Should be able to find it at a Greek shop as well.

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bbq stuff by wiredog (4.00 / 2) #7 Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 09:35:52 AM EST
I use a weber grill, the kettle style.

When doing chicken, ribs, or anything that takes a while, or low heat, or both, or smoking, I put all the coals on one side and whatever I'm cooking on the other. Put the lid on in such a way as to draw the smoke across whatever I'm cooking. Great for beer can chicken.

For ribs. Simmer them for 2 hours the day (or several) before. Put in fridge. Simmering dissolves the gristle, cooling in the fridge converts it to gelatin and firms up the meat. So you get tender, but firm, ribs. Simmering also renders out some of the fat. Then smoke them for an hour or two, basting occasionally.

Steak. You want thick cuts so that you can get grill flavor without cooking them too well done. I like rare, but crusty on the outside. Cook over hot coals. Some smoke is good, but you really can't smoke steak the way you can ribs.

Roasts: Pork, beef, lamb. These do very well smoked, but can take a couple hours, and you have to turn them every 20 to 30 minutes. But a smoked rib roast is a thing of beauty.

Chicken. Lots of recipes for beer can chicken, with various rubs. I prefer a no salt rub with chili powder and pepper. Instead of beer, use a mix of lemon juice and water (lemonade without the sugar). Do it in a smoker and you get a sort of vietnamese flavor. Yummy. Don't forget to brine the bird first.

BBQ sauce for ribs, or chicken breasts. This is a minefield for Religious Wars, and Blixco will probably never talk to me again after this. I tend to thin this out and use it as a baste, with a thicker version brushed on after cooking is done. Amounts/proportions vary depending on your taste and how much you need:
1 tbs mustard. I use a country style, with the unground seeds, but regular deli mustard will do in a pinch. I mean, if you're really desperate.

1tsp to 1 tbs Tabasco Smoked Chipotle.

1/2 to 1 tsp regular tabasco.

2 to 3 tbs cider vinegar.

1/4 cup store bought bbq sauce (I can feel Blixco wincing from here). Look at the ingredients and if tomato in some form isn't the first ingredient then put it back on the shelf. Or you can use ketchup.

For a serious tomato kick use a small can of tomato paste, plus an equal amount of canned tomato sauce (or, yes, ketchup), in place of the store bought sauce. Since this is unsweetened add a tbs or two of dark brown sugar.

Add chili powder, pepper, other spices as needed/wanted.

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(We can strip mine the rest later.)



I am sore tempted by Breaker (4.00 / 1) #14 Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 10:25:22 AM EST
To get a weber kettle.  Now that I have a garden I will probably build a proper permanent grill into the side garden wall, but for now, my barbie has been hammered for nearly 4 seasons and it's getting a little tired, truth be told.  Not that I am complaining, mind, I've had more than my money's worth from it.

The barbie I have is so small I can't get enough charcoal on one side and far away enough from the meat so that it cooks but doesn't scorch.  I've tried having one side loaded, tried a long thin joint and putting the charcoal in a circle around the perimeter, but still, I can't get enough coal in  to cook all the way through, and if I top it up then it burns too hot and I end up with one side of the meat burnt and the other side raw.

I shall give your BBQ sauce a run out next time I fire up the grill, thanks.


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I agree with the Weber by Herring (4.00 / 1) #21 Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 11:01:49 AM EST
Also, I can't believe that no spelling pedants have visited yet. It's barbecue.

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You may claim your £5 by Breaker (4.00 / 1) #26 Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 12:05:30 PM EST
I was trying to be inclusive for our overseas cousins.


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Also, by blixco (4.00 / 1) #30 Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 12:39:59 PM EST
with beef ribs...Texas-style, anyway...when you pull them from a slow roasting heat on the grill, put them in a paper sack and seal it up, then let the meat sit for ten minutes.

It makes a huge difference for reasons only known to paper bags and ribs.
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The cool down by wiredog (4.00 / 1) #32 Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 12:58:33 PM EST
Helps the gelatin form, which helps the ribs hold together.

The bag keeps the flies off.

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(We can strip mine the rest later.)

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You should come to Texas... by atreides (4.00 / 2) #8 Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 09:46:51 AM EST
The pits and smokers here would make you cry tears of joy.

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Oh I know. by Breaker (4.00 / 1) #16 Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 10:32:15 AM EST
But don't forget I married an Aussie.


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I still think we win that one... by atreides (4.00 / 2) #20 Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 10:58:08 AM EST
They have grills only on the coasts.  We have them all over the state.  On the other hand, they probably barbeque more animals that can kill you than we do...

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lamb by Merekat (4.00 / 2) #9 Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 09:51:59 AM EST
Lamb goes really well with cumin or with anchovies (not together!), but it is also one of those meats that tastes fantastic just simply seasoned and seared and with some kind of salsa verde on the side.

I hope you leave skin on the chicken breasts. Charred crispy chicken skin is one of the best things about chicken.



Lamb and cumin by Breaker (4.00 / 1) #15 Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 10:31:52 AM EST
I shall have to try that I think.  How much cumin for say a chop the size of your hand, from the wrist to fingertip?

Skin on - oh yes.  People can remove it before eating if they don't like it, or enjoy it if they want to.


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How much? by Merekat (4.00 / 1) #18 Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 10:35:35 AM EST
No idea. Add til it smells right.

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Hmmm by Breaker (4.00 / 1) #24 Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 11:39:55 AM EST
Not having really used cumin that often I've no reliable guide as to what's right and what's "cumin with a slight taste of lamb".


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Ah by Merekat (4.00 / 1) #25 Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 11:48:39 AM EST
Nigel Slater, he say 1 tsp for 400g of meat, but as part of a bigger recipe. I normally like his recipes, though his writing style is a little...pornographic.

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I like Slater. by Breaker (4.00 / 1) #27 Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 12:06:12 PM EST
Not least because I hum "Mr Slater's Parrot" when reading him.  For no good reason, really.

TYVM.


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lamb by sasquatchan (4.00 / 2) #10 Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 09:52:33 AM EST
doesn't need much more than what you're doing. Just the !@#$@ olive oil is very smoky when it flares up on the coals. That can leave you with sooty meat.

WashPost food section had a very, ah, controversial article about marinades last week.

An experiment [...] showed that after eight days, a slightly salty marinade gave meat a somewhat mushy surface but penetrated less than 1/8 inch into the flesh; a mildly acidic one (such as a wine- or vinegar-based marinade) showed next to no effect. . . . [Y]ou get just as much effect from marinating for four seconds as for 24 hours.

Link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/06/10/ST2008061003017.html




Lamb and oil by Breaker (4.00 / 1) #17 Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 10:34:02 AM EST
I only populate one half of the grill when doing the lamb - the minute it flares up I move the meat across to the unused half.  The flames have usually died out by the time the other half starts up again.

Interesting link that.  Didn't seem to be any analysis of salt and vinegar based marinades though.  I shall not however, continue to apologise to my guests if the meat's only been marinading for a few minutes though.  I have SCIENCE on my side!


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Lamb by ad hoc (4.00 / 2) #13 Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 10:19:27 AM EST
When CRwM and Kellnerin were here, I made this. liked it.
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Did you barbeque it? by Breaker (4.00 / 1) #19 Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 10:35:53 AM EST
When I've done tandoori-style chicken I find the yoghurt is liable to burn a little easily.


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Yes by ad hoc (4.00 / 2) #22 Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 11:04:38 AM EST
I made kebabs with cut up lamb steaks, onion, tomato (the non-Salmonella kind), bell pepper, and mushrooms.

And lots and lots of margaritas.
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How did you keep the yogurt from burning? by Breaker (4.00 / 1) #28 Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 12:07:08 PM EST
Turn them really often, or did you go for much lower heat and cooked linger?


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I don't know by ad hoc (4.00 / 2) #34 Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 01:11:39 PM EST
it just didn't really. It was a propane grill, if that makes any difference. They got a little charred on the edges, but otherwise, no problem. I used max heat, and turned them when they got done on a side.
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Ah propane by Breaker (4.00 / 1) #37 Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 01:42:53 PM EST
I'm on charcoal so I have less control of the heat for off and on-ableness.

TYVM.


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a useless suggestion for you by clover kicker (4.00 / 2) #23 Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 11:19:47 AM EST
but someone else with a bigger grill may find it helpful, and you know darn well you'll eventually upgrade to something bigger.

America's Test Kitchen - Grill-Roasted Beer Can Chicken for a Charcoal Grill


from the Episode: Beer Can Chicken Dinner

Using the right amount of charcoal is crucial here; using too much charcoal will burn the chicken, while using too little will extend the cooking time substantially. The temperature inside the grill should be about 375 degrees at the outset and will fall to about 300 by the time the chicken is done. For added accuracy, place a grill thermometer in the lid vents as the chicken cooks. If you prefer, use lemonade instead of beer; fill an empty 12-ounce soda or beer can with 10 ounces (1 1/4 cups) of lemonade and proceed as directed.

Serves 4

Spice Rub
1/2     cup sweet paprika
2     tablespoons kosher salt
2     tablespoons garlic powder
1     tablespoon dried thyme
2     teaspoons ground celery seed
2     teaspoons ground black pepper
2     teaspoons cayenne pepper

Chicken
2     cups wood chips , or 2 (3-inch) wood chunks
1     whole chicken (about 3 1/2 pounds)
1     can beer (12-ounce), see note
2     bay leaves
    Large disposable aluminum baking pan (13 by 9-inch)

See Illustrations Below: Setting Up Beer Can Chicken

1.For Spice Rub: Combine all the ingredients in a small bowl. Measure 3 tablespoons for use in this recipe. Extra rub can be stored (or frozen) in an airtight container for several weeks.

  1. For Chicken: Soak the wood chunks or chips in cold water to cover for 1 hour and drain. If using wood chips, divide them between two 18-inch squares of aluminum foil, seal to make two packets, and use a fork to create about six holes in each packet to allow smoke to escape.
  2. Massage the spice rub all over the chicken, inside and out. Lift up the skin over the breast and rub the spice rub directly onto the meat. Open the beer can and pour out (or drink) about 1/4 cup. With a church key can opener, punch two more large holes in the top of the can (for a total of three holes). Crumble the bay leaves into the beer. Slide the chicken over the can so that the drumsticks reach down to the bottom of the can and the chicken stands upright; set aside at room temperature.
  3. Light a large chimney starter filled two-thirds with charcoal (4 quarts, or about 60 briquettes) and allow to burn until the coals are fully ignited and partially covered with a thin layer of ash, 15 to 20 minutes.
  4. Place the disposable pan in the center of the grill. Pour half of the coals into a pile on each side of the grill, leaving the pan in the center. Nestle 1 soaked wood chunk (or 1 foil packet) on top of each coal pile. Position the cooking grate over the coals, cover the grill, and heat until hot, about 5 minutes; scrape the grate clean with a grill brush.
  5. Place the chicken (with the can) in the center of the cooking grate with the wings facing the coals (the ends of the drumsticks will touch the grate and help steady the bird, see the illustration below). Cover and grill-roast, until an instant-read thermometer inserted into the thickest part of the thigh registers 170 to 175 degrees, 65 to 85 minutes.
  6. With a large wad of paper towels in each hand, transfer the chicken to a platter or tray, making sure to keep the can upright; let rest for 15 minutes. Using wads of paper towels, carefully lift the chicken off the can and onto a platter or cutting board. Discard the remaining beer and can. Carve the chicken and serve.
Grill-Roasting Two Chickens: There are some occasions when you may want to cook more than one chicken—when you have more guests to serve or if you’d like to have leftovers on hand. Here’s how:

Increase the number of wood chunks to 4 (or 4 cups of wood chips), use 6 tablespoons Spice Rub, two 3 1/2 pound chickens and increase the amount of charcoal to a three-quarters full chimney (4 1/2 quarts, or about 70 briquettes). In step 6, set the chickens (and cans) in the middle of the cooking grate, with the chickens breasts facing one another, about 3 inches apart (keeping the chickens close together ensures that they won’t hit the top of the domed grill lid). Grill-roast as directed.





In another lifetime, another place by yankeehack (4.00 / 2) #39 Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 07:39:42 PM EST
I used to sell beer can chicken racks (yes, you can buy them)
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I could tell you by blixco (4.00 / 1) #29 Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 12:37:51 PM EST
but then I'd be forced to end you.

However, here's the lamb marinade that I use and has tested well at five or six BBQs.

Take one leg of lamb, butterfly it.  Have the butcher do this if you don't want to waste meat, and have the butcher trim the silver too.

Put it into a plastic garbage bag.  Pour in a bottle of white wine, an equal amount of buttermilk (full fat buttermilk, please), a cup or so of olive oil, a cup of fresh mint (roughed up / torn), eight to twelve heads of garlic (no shit), and fresh ground black pepper. My dad also adds a lemon (juice it, then throw it in), but I've had it with and without.

Let that marinade overnight in the fridge.  The bag keeps it all handy.

The olive oil will replace the fat pulled by the wine / citrus, keeping the meat nice and moist and tasty without the extra mutten-y fat.  The buttermilk draws out the mutton taste, milds it out, and adds even more fat. The mint is a natural, but you can use rosemary (fresh only please).

Get your fire in two levels: ----__  The top level is your hot side, the low level is your warm side.  Get the coals to white, then throw on the lamb fat side down onto the hot side...this gets the fat started.  Leave it there for maybe two minutes, then flip it, and cook for five to seven minutes.  Pull it over to the warm side, flip it again, and cook until the fat starts to render, then flip it back over and cook until done.  I like my lamb like I like my beef: cold in the center.  You may wish to make it medium, but don't.  Medium rare is the most a lamb should ever be grilled; any further and you start taking on the bitter of the burning fat.
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"You bring the weasel, I'll bring the whiskey." - kellnerin


eight to twelve heads of garlic by wiredog (4.00 / 1) #31 Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 12:41:38 PM EST
Heads, or cloves?

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Heads. by blixco (4.00 / 1) #33 Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 01:00:44 PM EST
Seriously.
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"You bring the weasel, I'll bring the whiskey." - kellnerin
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Jeebus. by wiredog (4.00 / 1) #35 Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 01:27:28 PM EST
OTOH, if you just dump them in, whole, then you will need that much. I bet if you crushed or minced 8 to 10 cloves you'd get the same effect.

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But then you get by blixco (4.00 / 1) #36 Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 01:41:48 PM EST
a different flavor.  If they slowly release their flavor (they slowly dissolve to oil and pulp) over time, the flavor goes much deeper.

BUT I have done it with 12 crushed cloves.  Works well, just not as subtle or sweet a flavor.
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"You bring the weasel, I'll bring the whiskey." - kellnerin
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An interesting variation by wiredog (4.00 / 2) #38 Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 01:51:59 PM EST
Roast garlic. Wonderful in marinades for lamb.

Earth First!
(We can strip mine the rest later.)

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Scallops in bacon by Slightly Foxed (4.00 / 2) #40 Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 07:02:06 AM EST
Always popular at family barbecues are scallops wrapped in bacon, skewered and then cooked on the barbecue until the bacon is crispy and the scallops are cooked through (5-10 mins normally).



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