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By lylehsaxon (Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 12:23:24 PM EST) (all tags)
When mobile phones first got small and cheap, it was pretty common to hear a new user talking on one on the train - typically saying something like "Guess where I am right now? - On the Yamanote Line!!  I just got my own mobile phone!", or just talking loudly & proudly - suddenly having the freedom to talk on the phone anywhere!

The next step - .....



..... after cell phones were becoming commonplace -  was to encourage people not to talk on the phone on the train unless they really needed to, as the noise could disturb other passengers.  About this time, cell phone e-mail kicked in, so was well and good.

Then... they reported that there was a possibility of someone with a cell phone causing interference with a pacemaker and killing someone dead. I don't think there has been so much as a single incidence of this actually happening at any time or any place in the country , but this gave some anti-mobile phone nut cases ammunition to go around verbally attacking people for having a cell phone in their hand.  There are even two individuals that I've run into several times (the chances of this happening in a mega-city of 30,000,000 people are not so strong!), who are really wacky.

One is this woman in her late forties or maybe early fifties who - each time she sees someone with a cell phone in their hand - goes over to them and says with a life-or-death urgency "Yamete!  Yamete!  Yamete!"  ("Stop it! Stop it!  Stop it!).  This might even be okay (sort of... if said in a more human-like manner) if it were in the priority seat area, which is the official area to turn the power of your mobile phone off, lest people start falling over dead left and right, but this attack-creature strikes all and sundry in any part of the train she's in (I've seen her two or three times on one line and once on a different line).

The other attack-biped I've seen several times, is this short, thin man in his twenties, who verbally attacks anyone he sees with a cell phone out in their hand ("What are you doing?!  You could poke someone with that!"). Certainly there are some people who will jam their cell phones into people's backs while they're text-messaging on an overly crowded train, but every time I've seen this guy, the train hasn't been especially crowded, so I don't think there was any issue that a normal biped would feel driven to loudly complain about.

What prompts me to bring this up?  On the Sardine Run home this evening, an argument broke out half-way down the train car.  One (older-sounding) man loudly accused a (younger-sounding) man of poking him with his cell phone.  The younger man less loudly denied the accusation, to which the older man accused him of it again in a still louder voice.

I had gotten on the train at its first station, so I was able to wait for an empty train and thus grab a seat.  Sitting in my seat comfortably reading a magazine, I and my seat-mates (and nearby standing passengers) looked towards the direction from where the sounds were coming (we couldn't see anything from the seats - maybe the standing people could) with just a very slight sense of minor alarm.  Even if things became more heated, the train was crowded enough that the two warriors wouldn't be able to move down the train car.

So how did that turn out?  After the heated exchange, presumably the younger man backed down, as there were no more battle noises over mobile phones for the rest of the trip.

Lyle (Hiroshi) Saxon
http://www5d.biglobe.ne.jp/~LLLtrs/

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Where is by sasquatchan (4.00 / 1) #1 Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 12:32:36 PM EST
Bernhard Goetz when you need him ?



Ask, and ye shall by wiredog (2.00 / 0) #2 Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 12:40:32 PM EST
receive.

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(We can strip mine the rest later.)

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I'm just curious... by greyrat (2.00 / 0) #3 Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 01:04:59 PM EST
Yamete! Is that:
  • Yah-ma-tea

  • Yay-meh-tay

  • Yeh-may-teh
  • Or one of the hundreds of permutations implied above?

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    Kha-Nyou


    yah-meh-teh by R343L (2.00 / 0) #4 Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 01:18:48 PM EST
    Though the "ah" and "eh" are generally pretty short and clipped (mouth not open very far). If someone is accentuating the word the last "teh" might be lengthened out and it starts to sound a little "tay" like, but I think I've only heard that in either anime or over-the-top television ...

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    A tic-tac-toe on the diagonal for you. by greyrat (2.00 / 0) #6 Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 01:23:00 PM EST
    The accent is on the second syllable, yes?
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    There is absolutely no correlation or causation amongst intelligence, power, talent and wealth.
    Kha-Nyou
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    I thought it was on the first by fluffy (2.00 / 0) #8 Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 01:37:03 PM EST
    At least that is what anime has led me to believe.
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    It probably is. by greyrat (2.00 / 0) #9 Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 01:41:55 PM EST
    My Slavic ancestry makes me try to syncopate everything.
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    There is absolutely no correlation or causation amongst intelligence, power, talent and wealth.
    Kha-Nyou
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    What do you mean by accent? by R343L (2.00 / 0) #10 Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 01:46:34 PM EST
    Japanese doesn't formally have accent the way English does -- i.e. stressed syllables that are louder than others. It does have a pitch patterns though and I frankly don't know what it is for 'yamete' off the top of my head. When I pronounce it in my head I can hear either high-low-low or low-low-low. It probably also depends on what words surround it. Certainly you shouldn't pronounce it yah-MEH-teh where "MEH" is louder  than the other syllables.

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    Stress. [nt] by greyrat (2.00 / 0) #11 Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 01:50:06 PM EST

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    There is absolutely no correlation or causation amongst intelligence, power, talent and wealth.
    Kha-Nyou
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    no stress by ucblockhead (2.00 / 0) #12 Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 02:16:15 PM EST
    Japanese doesn't have stressed syllables like English.
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    Except for where it does by fluffy (2.00 / 0) #13 Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 05:57:52 PM EST
    for example, SA-ke vs. sa-KE
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    (Comment Deleted) by ucblockhead (2.00 / 0) #14 Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 09:53:44 PM EST

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    Not quite the same by ucblockhead (2.00 / 0) #20 Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:43:14 PM EST
    Whereas English stresses syllables by extending them and varying loudness, in Japanese in cases like this it is done by varying pitch. I have sound files if you wish to hear.
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    Not like Chinese though.... by lylehsaxon (4.00 / 1) #21 Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 04:23:12 PM EST
    Yeah, but that description makes it sound almost like Chinese, which it isn't really - although a very slight bit of that crept into the language along with the Chinese characters (kanji).  Certainly there's the typical (in every language maybe?) bit of "Nani yatteru no?" ("WHAT are you doing?" [Yes, I know, there are many variations on that one in Japanese, with female and male versions, etc.).

    Anyway... how/why did we get going on this anyway?

    Lyle

    The shortest way home is the longest way 'round....
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    Yeah by ucblockhead (2.00 / 0) #22 Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 05:05:55 PM EST
    Every language has it to some extent. English uses it for question marks and to designate the speaker as a valley-girl.
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    English influence on Japanese by lylehsaxon (4.00 / 1) #23 Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 07:49:01 AM EST
    sometime between when I came here in 1984 and now, I started noticing that some women would use the English style rising intonation for a question, saying "TabemaSU?" ("Eat?" as in "Would you like to have...?") instead of "Tebemasu-ka?".  I'm not sure if that's actually new or not, but I don't recall hearing anyone using it for the first several years I was here....  Without looking into it, I just assumed it was due to influence from the English language (all those western movies that everyone watches here).

    Lyle
     
    The shortest way home is the longest way 'round....
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    Indeed! Not one-TWO-three! by lylehsaxon (2.00 / 0) #16 Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:50:45 AM EST
    I have had a hard time getting some US relatives to correctly pronounce Japanese names.  Like "Hiroshi"  It's just Hee-roh-she with no accent.  Typically my clueless US relatives will say hee-ROH-she, much to my irritation.  I keep telling them "Just say it flat!  Don't accent anything!".

    Lyle

    The shortest way home is the longest way 'round....
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    It's by ucblockhead (2.00 / 0) #5 Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 01:19:31 PM EST
    やめて
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    I'd go with Yamete-san by georgeha (2.00 / 0) #7 Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 01:33:37 PM EST
    I get all formal with our Japanese comrades.


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    そうなんですよ! by lylehsaxon (2.00 / 0) #17 Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:53:31 AM EST
    "Yamete"は、「やめて」ですよね! それとも、「止めて」....



    The shortest way home is the longest way 'round....
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    heh by ucblockhead (2.00 / 0) #19 Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 11:00:26 AM EST
    It took me ten minutes to figure out やめて.
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    It's Yah mah teh.... by lylehsaxon (4.00 / 1) #15 Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:46:40 AM EST
    Usually it would be Yamete kudasai, but that woman doesn't even bother attempting to be polite about it.

    Lyle

    The shortest way home is the longest way 'round....
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    Oops! Make that Yah-Meh-teh! by lylehsaxon (3.00 / 1) #18 Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 04:26:00 AM EST
    I've gotten so used to the five a-i-u-e-o sounds in Japanese (which repeat ka-ki-ku-ke-ko, sa-shi-su-se-so, etc.), I'm not used to explaining how to pronounce them.

    Incidentally, I would also say that Japanese doesn't have stresses on syllables, and even the rising or falling intonation is so inconsistent throughout the country that it's not really vital to speaking the language.  A famous example is that ame (rain or candy) is said with a rising intonation in one area and a falling intonation in another.  If the multi-generation inhabitants of these islands can't agree on how to do that, I'm not going to worry about it!

    Lyle

    The shortest way home is the longest way 'round....
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