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By blixco (Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 09:42:00 AM EST) (all tags)
Oh, man.  That's not the right title. Not at all. But these rough notes apply to nothing else, and I can't just leave them in between me and the keyboard.


God exists, that is if existence is measured by influence.  Does a thing exist by naming it?  By exerting itself?  Is racism a thing? Are republicans?  God exists because my grandparents are still alive and they own their belief like I own my dog: I don't, really, but I put a lot of faith in my walls and doors and care.

God exists because my grandparents are still alive, though they are alive by good mutt-style survival genetics and the rigors of modern medicine.  They practice what they preach, and live simply with the least amount of consumption.  They work as hard as they can, which isn't very hard at that age but is harder than I work some days.  And they breathe every breath with God, they eat every meal with Him, they wake every morning and go to bed every night (in separate beds) with His Holy Presence.  They vote with Him on their mind, they get from here to there with Him as their co-pilot.

They aren't alone.

So many people have similar beliefs, with the details differing.  My bet is that many have the same ten commandments hung in their hallway, and many follow them to some degree.  And that many obey any article of truth wrapped in faith.

And that includes stupid, stupid things.  Wrong-headed awful stupid things that make no sense.  Totally wrong things that cost lives, things that kill men.

They live according to their faith, which includes a whole lot of good bits.  Helping neighbors and family, giving time and effort to those who can't provide for themselves.  Feeding and clothing one another.  Dealing with the factory closures and the loss of economy in ways the government can't, with a caring and a selflessness that can only occur in someone who knows their reward isn't in this life.

God exerts control over the entire political process in America, and not one avowed atheist will ever be elected to a position of any authority because our very vows rely on some faith in some God.  The God of the pentacostal holy ghost tent revival circuit, the one that makes so much noise about Obama Bin Laden and Hillarity Clinton, the one who pushes social agenda with a fervor normally reserved for violence and better suited to revenge.  The God that Bush clothes himself in when he needs to appear humble.  That God is the one that is guiding us steadily to our end.

There's a spectrum of Gods there, though, from the benign sterile God of protestants to the golden God of Catholicism, from the grimy sweat of a summertime tent revival to the cool Methodist distance.  But all of them exist, just like racism exists, just like hate exists, just like love, sometimes, exists.

Our rational heads harbor a rational fear of this irrational God, and we do our best to laugh at it, to decry belief in it as a backward thing, a superstitious fallacy, a childlike retardation of common sense.  We take on God with our intellect, and we win, handily, because the greatest enemy of faith is reason.

And maybe we're smart enough to stop at God, and not carry that reason to our other invisible constraints, the ones that make up our laws and our money.  Maybe we're so smart that no slippery slopes exist, and our wills are stronger than our instinct. But like the God who controls the Senate, our reason has as many shades of gray as there exist between black and white, and there's always someone wanting to break the machine and become God themselves, set fire to the rights of others and find some new way by violence or coercion that reeks of the old God minus the faith. Some people lack the will to maintain reason in the face of reality.

Which is to say, God exists maybe as a stopgap, some sort of fragile marker on our ascent from animal to pure reason that is there to protect us from the worst intentions.  Willful ignorance, a knowing audience.  Yes, it's not magic, it's just an illusion.  The same illusion that binds us to paper-as-money, law-as-control, might-as-right.  The same God that puts my grandparents to bed at night and bombs Iraq in the morning serves as a warning that the best sort of faith and law can be guaranteed to be read with the worst sort of evil intent, and that any math can be corrupted by perception, or by design. We're not ready for a world without God, then, unless we're ready to measure our worth as biological entities, as psychological beings, with the same cold hand that calculates our taxes, disregarding any faith that binds the contracts between ourselves and society.  Do we then become our worth in grain, alone save for our wits and our capability as animals?

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I disagree by ReallyEvilCanine (2.00 / 0) #1 Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 10:10:12 AM EST
I'm not getting pulled into some metaphysical discussion here but as to your examples,

paper-as-money, law-as-control, might-as-right

the first two are by public agreement / social contract and the third is how nature works. In civilising ourselves (laugh if you must), we found greater benefits in moving away from number three and adopting number two, but that was only around 800 years ago. It also didn't apply to everyone, only the lords who themselves exercised might-as-right for a few hundred more years.



An agreement by blixco (2.00 / 0) #2 Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 10:13:13 AM EST
based on...? What disadvantage does ignoring that social contract have?
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"You bring the weasel, I'll bring the whiskey." - kellnerin
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Lots by Herring (4.00 / 1) #3 Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 10:23:48 AM EST
My personal view is that religion was created to reflect society rather than the other way around. Nowhere in the bible does is suggest that prior to Moses bringing the tablets down the mountain, the Israelites thought that murder and theft were just fine and dandy.

In animal societies social codes are observeable. I don't think that anyone would argue that monkeys have a religion and yet a group will punish habitual theft etc.

When my grandfather became ill, my grandmother rubbed goose-fat into his back. He went downhill quite quickly after that. - Milton Jones
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"Nowhere in the bible does is suggest . . . by Christopher Robin was Murdered (4.00 / 2) #6 Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 10:57:11 AM EST
That prior to Moses bringing the tablets down the mountain, the Israelites thought that murder and theft were just fine and dandy."

Actually, there's plenty in that book to suggest that prior to and for a long time after the tablets were delivered the Israelites thought that murder and theft were just fine and dandy, depending on who you murdered or stole from.

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But, by blixco (2.00 / 0) #7 Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 11:02:05 AM EST
what monkeys chose to call their behavior, and what name we have given to ours, is different.

God is what our forefathers used to glue those binding terms to our nascent society.  In God We Trust.

You may choose to not believe, just as I may choose to not believe in the illusion that is money, or law.  If I break the law, the only immediate punitive effect is: nothing.

Until someone calls it a crime, it isn't.

That social contract is as illusory as any belief system.  And animals may be hardwired to kill or not kill one another based on their social constructs, but our language gives us a name (or selection of names) for it.
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"You bring the weasel, I'll bring the whiskey." - kellnerin
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Have you read God Delusion? by Breaker (4.00 / 1) #4 Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 10:27:17 AM EST
Dawkins has an interesting chapter on why God exists in the minds of the faithful.




Afriend of a friend of a friend by ReallyEvilCanine (4.00 / 3) #5 Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 10:40:10 AM EST
has all of Dawkins' books in PDF format. Makes it very easy to search for the bits you're looking to quote and saves you the trouble of typing it all in manually.

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I avoid Dawkins by blixco (4.00 / 4) #8 Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 11:03:15 AM EST
for the same reason I avoid religious fanatics.
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"You bring the weasel, I'll bring the whiskey." - kellnerin
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fallacy of the middle ground by MillMan (4.00 / 2) #20 Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 02:38:21 PM EST
although I haven't read that book either. hmm.

When I'm imprisoned as an enemy combatant, will you blog about it?
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Completely off-topic by wiredog (2.00 / 0) #9 Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 11:13:24 AM EST
You going to SxSW this year? Apparently Hanson is playing there.

Earth First!
(We can strip mine the rest later.)



SXSW is not something you go to... by blixco (4.00 / 1) #16 Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 01:21:30 PM EST
...in that it surrounds you.

But no, I'm not going to any shows.  I did go to the slamxsouthwest poetry slam on Wednesday, though.
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"You bring the weasel, I'll bring the whiskey." - kellnerin
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Since the Fed just traded Treasuries for junk by Rogerborg (4.00 / 4) #10 Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 11:19:01 AM EST
I think we're well into the realms of a Faith Based Economy now.

In situations like these, I like to ask myself: What Would Luke Skywalker Do?

I usually find the answer "Swap saliva with his twin sister" strangely comforting.

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Metus amatores matrum compescit, non clementia.


At least he knew enough by ad hoc (4.00 / 5) #12 Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 11:43:35 AM EST
Chinese sail boats will be worth their weight in by georgeha (4.00 / 1) #18 Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 01:38:49 PM EST
T-bonds, once peak oil hits.


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What do you mean "once"? by riceowlguy (4.00 / 1) #22 Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 03:19:38 PM EST
[No Petroleum]

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but you see ... by BlueOregon (2.00 / 0) #13 Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 12:26:48 PM EST

... by definition those are not positions of authority.

And if an atheist were ever elected president, it would or could only happen once the president had no authority, you see. Or if that person weren't really an atheist.

Something like that, you see?

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Well, that's not unclear. by Christopher Robin was Murdered (2.00 / 0) #14 Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 01:02:49 PM EST
I think.

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Indeed by BlueOregon (2.00 / 0) #15 Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 01:13:46 PM EST

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"The german quoting guy is a little bit out there." (fleece)
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We could go on? by blixco (2.00 / 0) #17 Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 01:34:49 PM EST
There are exceptions to every rule, and I would classify the handful of examples you can name as exceptions rather than a majority, or even a sizable minority.
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So, by blixco (2.00 / 0) #21 Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 03:16:13 PM EST
that statement of mine is apparently false.

Thanks for pointing that out.
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I'm sorry, amigo. by Christopher Robin was Murdered (2.00 / 0) #24 Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 01:44:31 PM EST
I always think that pointing out that freethinkers have been crucial to development of American democracy will be a celebratory thing. Instead, it always seems to cause more trouble.

Sorry for being an a-hole. I'll zap my comments.

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No need to. by blixco (2.00 / 0) #25 Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 01:54:49 PM EST
I'm not for stifling discussion.  In fact, it helped change the way that i think about the subject.  So, yeah.
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I have a quote from the Dalai Lamma on my wall by jimgon (4.00 / 1) #26 Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 07:27:04 PM EST
And I believe in God.  I don't believe in Heaven or Hell though.  I don't believe in the Fed either.



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