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By codemonkey uk (Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 10:06:43 AM EST) (all tags)

Isn't it about time the Japanese government released some results - and a justification of their methods - for the so called "scientific research" used to justify Whaling?

I think the Australian government are onto something in calling out the Japanese as liars. Do the Japanese people realise that the world by-and-large sees the whole ICR justification as a huge obvious bare-faced lie? How do they feel about the world thinking of them as a dishonest nation?

Do they sit at home sniggering into their Whale Soup, thinking "stupid Europeans, falling for our cunning trickery"? Or are they largely ashamed at the behaviour of their government?

Although I am against whaling, I think I'm actually more outraged that a nation can turn around and lie about what it does and why it does it.

It's alike a toddler with chocolate all over his face saying he didn't take the chocolate, the bunny/kitty/fairy's did it.

I do realise that other governments/nations have crafted complex lies and deceit as part of their official policies, I just think it strange that this particular lie has been maintained for so long, and with so little effort.

If you say your doing scientific research, lets see the results.

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Whaling by Phage (4.00 / 2) #1 Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 10:09:46 AM EST

In Japan is a policy of the right-wing nationalistic parties. As such, the rest of the world being against actually aids their political position.

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In which case, wouldn't it be a stronger policy by codemonkey uk (4.00 / 2) #2 Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 10:16:57 AM EST

For them to say: Fuck you guys, it's out cultural right to hunt and eat whales, it's international waters, we will do whatever we want.

Than the sleazily "we need to do some research" lie? I mean, what do the policy makers say to the voters? That they need to do research, or that they plan to lie to the world about needing to do research to be able to get the whale meat? Needing to lie to get what you want is weak fighting honestly for what you want, against all odds, is strong.

Would you vote for a government of pathetic liars, or a honest government who fights for what he believes in?

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That's what they're doing by ReallyEvilCanine (4.00 / 3) #4 Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 10:20:21 AM EST

But by calling it "research" they're whaling without being in violation of the IWC terms and therefore no embargo against Japanese products can be instigated on the grounds of said whaling.

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Is it possible by Rogerborg (4.00 / 3) #13 Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:52:42 PM EST

That the policy makers say to the voters "Fuck those round-eyes, it's our cultural right to hunt and eat whales." You presuppose that the internal and external propaganda are consistent. I mean, they already feed their infants on the still beating hearts of our soul-brethren, the mighty whale-gods, so how low would they sink?

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: I've missed you, borg honey. by greyrat (4.00 / 2) #15 Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 02:02:16 PM EST

Although the stalking is a bit creepy. How are you ears BTW? Do you need an offshore supplier of ear plugs? Or is the Rolls jet plant across the street not finished yet?
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: We call them "whale-kin" by gazbo (4.00 / 1) #17 Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 06:27:44 PM EST

Hell, if ancient postrs are going to resurface, then I'm damn sure bringing up the memes-du-yesterjour.
"Engarde!" cried the larvae, huskily. - Scrymarch

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Mmmmm. Tasty, tasty whale.... by greyrat (4.00 / 1) #3 Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 10:19:57 AM EST

and it's a bald-faced lie.

But yes, I agree with you. Japan's position is untenable. Next, they'll start executing humans for certain crimes. I mean, how uncivilized can a country get?
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It seems that anything that moves, by muchagecko (4.00 / 3) #5 Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 10:31:51 AM EST

must be consumed - if you are Japanese. Don't get in their way.

"It means more if you have to earn it, even if it's by doing something as simple as eating a meal." Kellnerin

The Chinese can be like that too. by greyrat (4.00 / 2) #7 Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 11:02:43 AM EST

I remember seeing a delicacy from some mountainous region of China on some PBS show: Bear Paw roasted with skewered Caterpillars.
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: My experience with the Chinese is by muchagecko (4.00 / 3) #10 Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 12:06:02 PM EST

that they eat whatever is available.

"It means more if you have to earn it, even if it's by doing something as simple as eating a meal." Kellnerin
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Dunno by jump the ladder (4.00 / 3) #6 Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 10:37:34 AM EST

Still worse govts like China or Saudi Arabia are respected members of the internatuonal "community" so are you suprised no one's shunning Japan?

research results by clover kicker (4.00 / 5) #8 Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 11:13:34 AM EST

Chief Scientist Morisushi reveals that 100% of the whales he's tasted were delicious!!!!

: I loled by codemonkey uk (2.00 / 0) #19 Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 07:06:16 AM EST

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I expect the feel the same way as we do by R Mutt (4.00 / 3) #9 Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 11:45:14 AM EST

About the Iraq war, Northern Ireland policies and so on.

Right wing: feel a smug sense of superiority at knowing better than the rest of the world.

Left wing: feel a smug sense of superiority about being opposed in principle and making occasional gestures about it.

Just for a moment. . . by nightflameblue (4.00 / 2) #11 Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 12:50:59 PM EST

Do they sit at home sniggering into their Whale Soup, thinking "stupid Europeans, falling for our cunning trickery"? Or are they largely ashamed at the behaviour of their government?

Let me turn this one around. What country do you live in? Are you largely ashamed at the behaviour of your government?

I say that as a USian who IS largely ashamed of my government because I can't remember the last time I saw a new policy put in place that was of benefit to anyone within or outside of our country.

the UK by codemonkey uk (2.00 / 0) #20 Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 07:12:20 AM EST

And yes, I often find the choices of my government embarrassing. That said, I can't think of anything of the top of my head that was such an obvious and transparent lie, maintained for so long. All the conspiracy theory stuff about Iraq and what have you, it's all, well debatable, and clouded in mystery, to an extent. Usually when a minister gets caught out as a liar they quickly lose their position of authority.

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: You guys play it different from us. by nightflameblue (2.00 / 0) #21 Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 09:31:50 AM EST

When our President gets caught in a lie we typically hand more power to him. And by we, I mean the Congress.

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wish i could find the article by MillMan (4.00 / 2) #12 Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 12:59:49 PM EST

but I recall seeing an article in which there was justification on the grounds that as an island nation they have to rely on the ocean for a lot of their food.

That's just a right wing response of course (of the sort R Mutt outlined) since they're rich enough to buy all the grain/meat/veggies they can't grow themselves.

When I'm imprisoned as an enemy combatant, will you blog about it?

I've heard that whale is less popular by Captain Tenille (4.00 / 2) #14 Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 02:00:08 PM EST

... among the younger generations, actually. Apparently the government has been doing campaigns to encourage younger people to keep eating whale.

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: I have also heard by Herring (2.00 / 0) #22 Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 09:09:01 PM EST

that much more whale is collected than is actually eaten. They export the stuff to places like Iceland (Bejam). But for some reason, they insist on carrying on with the practise.

When my grandfather became ill, my grandmother rubbed goose-fat into his back. He went downhill quite quickly after that. - Milton Jones
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It must be endemic to the culture by ad hoc (4.00 / 3) #16 Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 06:19:04 PM EST

I mean, they're still claiming their occupation of China (and Korea) was for their own good. That is, when they acknowledge it at all. If you can delude yourself on something of that scale, this is small potatoes.
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Option C by kwsNI (4.00 / 3) #18 Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 09:39:50 PM EST

Do they sit at home sniggering into their Whale Soup, thinking "stupid Europeans, falling for our cunning trickery"? Or are they largely ashamed at the behaviour of their government?

It's like calling in sick that first 80 degree day in spring. You know no one thinks you're sick but you don't feel guilty about it either. They know they're not fooling anyone, but they also know that no one will stop them so they get what they want.

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