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By wiredog (Thu Feb 28, 2008 at 02:57:14 PM EST) (all tags)
This guy nails it.


Why I'm not a Republican.
Then in 2000, for the first time Republicans took control of both houses of Congress and the White House. At last, conservatives believed, they would be able to deliver on the agenda they had been advancing for decades.

What happened? Republicans increased federal spending by a trillion dollars in six years. They passed the biggest expansion of entitlements since the LBJ years. They federalized education. They gave unprecedented power to the executive. They launched a massive nation-building project thousands of miles from home, to do in Iraq what conservatives would never expect government to do in the United States.

Even worse, the conservative intellectual movement abandoned its limited-government roots. The neoconservatives, who drifted over from the radical left, brought their commitment to an expansive government intimately involved in shaping the social and economic life of the nation. They transformed conservatism from rugged individualism to "national greatness." The religious right demanded that government impose their social values on the whole country. Conservatives who had once rallied to a famous Reagan declaration - that "government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem" - became loyal supporters of George W. Bush, who said, rather differently, "When somebody hurts, government has got to move."


I was never as conservative as Buckley. Not in the social sense, anyway. Certainly he (like many conservatives of his era) was far too, we'll be polite and say "tolerant", of racism.

But I'm definitely a fiscal conservative (in the fiscal sanity, not the LOWTAX and damn the consequences, way), and a local government (but not necessarily small government) conservative. Also I recognize that many issues are decided by violence, and thus wars, while believing that war is not to be entered into lightly.

But I'm certainly not a libertarian. There is a place for government. And for regulations, especially in the modern world. Global Warming is real, evolution likewise.

Buckley, and some other conservatives (George Will, Andrew Sullivan) came to oppose the Iraq War on ideological grounds, and some of those same conservatives look at the Republican party and see: radicals. Anti-conservative Republicans, if you will. They see people who think that legislating on the liveliness of Terry Schaivo is a proper function of the Federal Government. That, by the way, was when the fractures in modern conservativism started to become highly visible.

If, as seems likely, McCain loses the Presidential race and Congress moves even more towards the Democrats, the ideological bloodbath amongst the Republicans will be interesting to watch. The Neo-cons declared people like me to be unconservative, and therefore not welcome in the Republican Party. Will the Republicans be happy as a permanent, possibly regional, minority party? Or will they become more conservative, less radical, and thus present a useful alternative to Progressivism/Liberalism?

I have no idea, but it's going to be fun to watch.

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I have to admire someone who bought a limo by georgeha (2.00 / 0) #1 Thu Feb 28, 2008 at 03:15:52 PM EST
just so he could stuff a desk in it.




The glass is half full too by Rogerborg (4.00 / 2) #2 Thu Feb 28, 2008 at 03:33:25 PM EST
Surely the Federal response to Katrina made you proud to be a Conservative?

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Metus amatores matrum compescit, non clementia.


Given that Bush isn't a conservative by wiredog (4.00 / 2) #10 Thu Feb 28, 2008 at 07:08:29 PM EST
Yes.

Earth First!
(We can strip mine the rest later.)

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I’m no political expert by duxup (4.00 / 1) #3 Thu Feb 28, 2008 at 05:39:30 PM EST
The neoconservatives, who drifted over from the radical left, brought their commitment to an expansive government intimately involved in shaping the social and economic life of the nation.

Does he mean folks from say the left side of the political spectrum such as former Democrats joining the party and imposing their ideals?

That strikes me as a bit of scapegoating.  Some of the issues must be from those darned politial opponents amirite?

I don't think the urge to expand government and use it to control whatever is limited to one side of the political spectrum.  It is just human nature.  Fact is once you give people power, particularly fairly unfettered power, even if they're sworn to trim the institution that provides them that power... they're not likely to do it.
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the funny part by MillMan (4.00 / 3) #4 Thu Feb 28, 2008 at 05:50:47 PM EST
is that Clinton was a true fiscal and social conservative. He should have had broad support from the right.

When I'm imprisoned as an enemy combatant, will you blog about it?
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BUT HE LIKED BLOWJOBS! by nightflameblue (4.00 / 1) #5 Thu Feb 28, 2008 at 05:55:19 PM EST
BLOWJOBS ARE TEH DEBBIL'S WORK! TEH DEBBIL!

Because, you know, I'm certain there's never been a conservative politician that fooled around on his wife. Never.

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I think they did, a bit by duxup (4.00 / 1) #7 Thu Feb 28, 2008 at 06:03:31 PM EST
From what I hear if you talk to some Republicans in Washington, and more so the Republicans who retired to do other stuff . . . they say a lot of nice things about working WITH the Clinton administration and later Hillary.

Rhetoric and all gets them votes but from what they say when negotiating and doing actual work they seem to think the Clintons are an alright group to team up with to get stuff done.
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I think that's a good history of the neocons by lm (4.00 / 2) #8 Thu Feb 28, 2008 at 06:50:42 PM EST
In it's most broad sense, neoconservativsm came out of the so called `Reagan Democrats' who believed very much in big governments, the obligation of government to shape society and the foreign policy of the Reagan years. Between then and now, neoconservatism has certainly changed but I do think it fair that in many ways it is a reformulation of conservatism through a liberal way of thinking.

There is no more degenerate kind of state than that in which the richest are supposed to be the best.
Cicero, The Republic
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It predated that crowd by wiredog (4.00 / 1) #11 Thu Feb 28, 2008 at 07:09:47 PM EST
Many of the early NeoCons were former Trotskyites.

Earth First!
(We can strip mine the rest later.)

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The Reagan crowd by wumpus (4.00 / 1) #13 Thu Feb 28, 2008 at 07:42:05 PM EST
had the power. I'm not sure many Trotskyites ever managed.

Wumpus

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Reagan Democrats by duxup (2.00 / 0) #16 Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 04:58:37 AM EST
Did it come from them?

I always hear stuff like that but I've never seen anyone really who studies who came from where and what impact they had the parties and so on and so forth.   

More often than not it sounds like a lot of theory and/or combined with with ideology massaging.  Hey things aren't going well...  Oooh, see if we can blame the dudes we once used to point to to demonstrate our broad and insensible appeal and who we haven't talked about for a long time... they must have damaged us from the inside!
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its all about the Kristol by LinDze (4.00 / 1) #17 Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 05:59:32 AM EST
He said that a neocon is "a liberal who was mugged by reality." Seeing as hes the guy credited with "founding" the whole ideology Id give im some weight.

-Lin Dze
Arbeit Macht Frei
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Don't look behind the curtian huh? by duxup (2.00 / 0) #20 Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 03:38:36 PM EST
Maybe someone has studied the origins of various political groups but I've yet to see these claims backed up.  I'm genuinely curious about this topic but for the most part it seems to be just some dude's claims.
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As others have pointed out by lm (4.00 / 1) #19 Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 07:25:14 AM EST
I'm off by about 20 to thirty years. The Reagan Democrats were the first neocons to be really be politically influential, but the movement started earlier by other left wingers turned `conservative.' Wiki has an excellent overview: Neoconservative.

There is no more degenerate kind of state than that in which the richest are supposed to be the best.
Cicero, The Republic
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good by alprazolam (4.00 / 1) #6 Thu Feb 28, 2008 at 06:03:06 PM EST
take the republican party with you please.

buncha greedy racist hypocritical shitbags.



The party may go by ucblockhead (4.00 / 3) #9 Thu Feb 28, 2008 at 06:59:53 PM EST
The greedy racist hypocritical shitbags won't. That's the thing about politics...the names change but the basic arguments never change.
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thats ok by alprazolam (4.00 / 1) #12 Thu Feb 28, 2008 at 07:12:10 PM EST
remove all legitimacy and association from reagan, buckley, and the likes and we'll all be better off.

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Legitimacy, you say? by Rogerborg (2.00 / 0) #15 Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 04:49:11 AM EST
When the USS William Jefferson Blythe III sets sail, we can talk about that.

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Wha? by Breaker (2.00 / 0) #14 Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 03:37:24 AM EST
In 2006, he deplored Bush's "absence of effective conservative ideology - with the result that he ended up being very extravagant in domestic spending."

I thought BUSHITLAR gave tax cuts to the wealthy in the vague hope that they might spank some more cash and enable the poor to earn enough to eat, only the wealthy went off and bought yachts instead?

Or does feeding the military industrial complex with tax dollars to prosecute wars in Furrinerland count as domestic?




The L word by LinDze (2.00 / 0) #18 Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 06:07:48 AM EST
Can the Democratics/Greens/whoever get a new fucking descriptor already? Liberalism is a specific ideology of personal freedom, sanctioned government, and the rule of law. I dont see either major party backing those ideals too often. Furthermore any self identifying conservative in this country who thinks Liberal is an invective needs to go read a fucking book not by a talk show host.

-Lin Dze
Arbeit Macht Frei


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