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By zarathus (Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 11:01:07 AM EST) (all tags)
I attended another new church on Sunday.


The church I visited yesterday, the United Christian Church, has been on my list for a while.  They're an Open and Accepting (ONA) congregation which means they fully accept gay Christians.  The congregation is an amalgam of two formerly independent churches from two different denominations - one from the United Church of Christ and one from the Disciples of Christ.  The UCC is a part of the Calvinist Reformation movement and the Disciples of Christ are part of the American Restoration Movement (the same movement that spawned the Church of Christ.) 

Overall, it was a good experience for me.  I felt that I was participating in a genuine and joyful worship service but the oddness of many aspects confused me.  A paradoxically good thing about the service is that I cried.  I wasn't crying in response to the message being delivered (it was actually a lighthearted and sometimes humorous sermon) or anything else said during the service.  I think the tears are part of a healing process.  When I began attending the Austin MCC many years ago, I cried for the first five or six services - usually during communion - and later on I found that I could be in the right frame of mind without bursting into tears.

Good:


  • Gay friendly.
  • Easy to get to, not too far to drive
  • Very friendly people, including the pastor
  • Pastor is a great speaker and I feel he's a person I can genuinely like
  • Happy, joyful service
  • Women included in service, in several aspects*

Bad:

  • Catholic liturgical calendar
  • Instrumental music.  Not only was there instrumental music during this service but according to their website they sometimes have a Jazz service.  The horror!
  • Roses for sale?  There was a tent set up in the parking lot selling roses.  I don't know for sure if it was for the benefit of the church or not.  I really like to see the church as a place where commerce is totally absent.

Could Get Used to It:


  • Choir
  • Unfamiliar songs - couldn't participate in congregational singing
  • Lack of familiarity was distracting

Verdict:  This one is a "maybe" on my list.  The positive aspects of the experience aren't enough for me to keep coming back but are enough to give me hope and keep the search going.

When I was driving home I noticed that a non-denominational church, Crossroads Community Church, now meets at a nearby middle school.  I checked out their website but I didn't get a feel for what goes on at their services nor did I find any information to indicate if I'd need to be in the closet there.  I sent a quick note with some questions to the contact address on their website.  I hadn't received a reply as of this morning.  I'm dreading the reply, frankly.  Just anticipating that some stranger might be mean to me (even through the impersonal medium of e-mail) because I'm a gay Christian makes my palms sweaty.



*I want to point out that allowing women to participate in the service is a big departure from my Church of Christ background but of all the breaks from those traditions, this is the one I like the most.  I like the egalitarian aspect of this.
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What's wrong with a Catholic liturgical calendar? by riceowlguy (4.00 / 1) #1 Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 11:14:46 AM EST
Would you prefer Orthodox?



Nothing at all . . . by zarathus (2.00 / 0) #11 Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 02:52:00 PM EST
 . . . It's just not part of the tradition I grew up with.  The Church of Christ does Sunday and Wednesday services and nothing more.

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church as a place where commerce is totally absent by wiredog (2.00 / 0) #2 Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 11:32:55 AM EST
Every church has bake sales, Girl Scouts selling cookies, used clothing drives and sales, and myriad other ways to raise money.

Earth First!
(We can strip mine the rest later.)



Pass the offering... by Vertical Frankenstein (2.00 / 0) #6 Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 12:53:57 PM EST
plate brother wiredog.

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Doesn't always bring in enough. by wiredog (2.00 / 0) #14 Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 03:30:59 PM EST


Earth First!
(We can strip mine the rest later.)

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Church is to Usian by jump the ladder (4.00 / 1) #3 Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 11:41:34 AM EST
As pub is Ukian it seems...



Or there are churches like mine... by toxicfur (2.00 / 0) #4 Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 11:59:34 AM EST
where we'll take any excuse to open a bottle and/or head to the pub.
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That's why I joined the Episcoposse... by riceowlguy (2.00 / 0) #15 Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 03:36:14 PM EST
New Testament

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Sadly, you may be right by georgeha (2.00 / 0) #5 Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 12:07:35 PM EST
In the last two months, I've gone to one church service and no bars/pubs.


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umm by MillMan (2.00 / 0) #10 Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 02:13:55 PM EST
no.

When I'm imprisoned as an enemy combatant, will you blog about it?
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Not really by ucblockhead (2.00 / 0) #17 Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 07:06:50 PM EST
I can count the number of times I've set foot in a church on both hands.
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WTF kind of "Calvinist" is that? by Rogerborg (4.00 / 3) #7 Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 01:02:53 PM EST
Look, here's how church should be (true 2nd hand anecdote):

Speaker-For-God: Do you think those work clothes are really appropriate for church?
Wizard-Hobbit Associate: Do you think they would bother Jesus?
Speaker-For-God: Well, I really don't see what that's got to do with it.

Quite.  Let's try to keep Xebus and church at a respectable distance, shall we?

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Metus amatores matrum compescit, non clementia.


That's hilarious by blixco (4.00 / 1) #8 Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 01:19:04 PM EST
and reminds me of my first service in a latin Catholic church, wherein I apparently (I don't remember doing this) asked my grandmother in a whisper

"who's the man in the dress?"

She smacked me, but thought it was hilarious.
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I am absolutely disgusted by this. by komet (4.00 / 2) #9 Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 01:24:48 PM EST
How can "Open And Accepting" possibly be abbreviated "ONA"? It's sickening.

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I made a mistake there by zarathus (2.00 / 0) #12 Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 02:56:15 PM EST
It's Open and Affirming.  Not my acronym, mind you.

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you'd prefer G.O.A.T.S.E., perhaps? by discordia (4.00 / 1) #13 Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 03:25:59 PM EST


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It's like "Rock N Roll" by ad hoc (2.00 / 0) #16 Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 05:45:08 PM EST
except that it's nothing like rock n roll.
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Actually, it's a lot like rock and roll by lm (2.00 / 0) #18 Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 09:45:11 AM EST
Except the replace the sex and drugs drugs with God and God. It's kind of odd. Some of the services I've been turn out like Cream cover bands playing hymns.

There is no more degenerate kind of state than that in which the richest are supposed to be the best.
Cicero, The Republic
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