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By webwench (Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 05:21:44 PM EST) (all tags)
are about to throw out their entire government two months after voting them in.


That's like the US impeaching Obama and his cabinet two months into his term, right?

That's wacked!
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We Cauckians dispute this by Clipper Ship (2.50 / 2) #1 Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 05:29:35 PM EST
Cauckians vote for any number of parties at the same time. It's more like Obama being ousted by Nader and all the fringe parties and the Republicans if they all did a to of acid for a long time. It's a centrist government being led by the worst kind of failed evangelical who likes to pick fights but usually wins being ousted by a group of D&D club members/Environment Club members who got mad because they wanted to be the ones to do the same things that this government (the Diplomacy Club) generally does.

However, the current grab is probably bad news for the future more than the present, since you could essentially put a large potato into power and it would more or less pas the same laws as any party in the country, since we Canadians are desperately afraid of being seen as impolite. Personally, I hope it happens cuz it would be interesting.

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the hazards of parliamentary democracy by clover kicker (4.00 / 2) #2 Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 05:41:07 PM EST
The basic problem is the current government only halfway got voted in. The Conservatives got more seats then any other single party, but less then 50% of the seats. So there was always potential for every other party to gang up and outvote the government.

The smart play in that situation is to play the opposition parties against each other. Instead the Conservatives kicked them all in the nuts simultaneously, and now wonder why the other parties suddenly found enough common ground to hijack the government.

It's either hilarious or tragic. I lean towards hilarious because the Prime Minister can be a  spiteful little wanker, and now he has his reward.

Well, if he played them against each other he'd by Clipper Ship (1.00 / 1) #3 Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 05:45:47 PM EST
suddenly be overcome by redness and become a Liberal, aaahcgchc -

Honestly, I don't think anything short of the Bloc being voted in would change my way of life even marginally, and that would only mean the kids in Ontario start French at grade2 instead of grade 4.

This is the greatest thing to happen to CTV and CBC, but none of it means anything at all.

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Yup. Dumb move by Harper by marvin (2.00 / 0) #4 Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 06:02:35 PM EST
I wonder if he feels surprised? The boy needs a slap upside the head for this stupid stunt.

That only took him two months to go from being able to successfully manage a minority government and turn the opposition leader into a dead duck, to the point where he might end up somewhere below Joe Clark in the history books.

At least Joe lost his PM job to Trudeau, who won a majority government. Harper will lose to Dion - someone who had already lost the confidence of his party, and tendered his resignation as leader.

What a colossal screwup. I read on CBC that this new coalition, if it takes power, will have "an economic advisory panel of experts that would include Paul Martin, John Manley, Frank McKenna and Roy Romanow."

Yeah. Roy Romanow. That is a great way to inspire confidence in the West. At least Broadbent won't be on it, but I don't have much hope for the economy if this coalition happens.

The only upside to this is that in their grab for power, I don't think the Liberals and NDP have really thought through the impacts of depending on the Bloc. I wouldn't vote for a party who had gotten in bed (politically at least) with Gilles Duceppe. Thank goodness the Greens were not involved, so I still have a safe protest vote. I think the NDP and Liberals will bleed votes out west, not sure about Ontario and the east.

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Watch what you say about Joe Clark! by atreides (2.00 / 0) #5 Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 07:33:31 PM EST
bloc by clover kicker (2.00 / 0) #9 Tue Dec 02, 2008 at 03:22:00 AM EST
Meh, Martin was doing the same whining about playing nice with separatists when Harper/Layton/Duceppe torpedoed his minority government.

The Bloc are jerks, but they're also realists, they'll play along as long as Quebec gets a big slice of the pie.

Besides, you could hardly pandered more to Quebec then Harper already has, how much money has he spent there, and he passed that "nation" thing.

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Back in the kitchen, woman. by ammoniacal (1.00 / 1) #6 Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 10:21:02 PM EST
Them cookies ain't gonna bake themselves.

"To this day that was the most bullshit caesar salad I have every experienced..." - triggerfinger

Democracy in action! by Phil the Canuck (2.00 / 0) #7 Tue Dec 02, 2008 at 02:37:03 AM EST
The lame-duck outgoing leader of a political party that just suffered one of its worst showings in any election, ever, is the new leader of the country.  That's what Harper gets for being a douche.


Unfortunately, he the smallest douche by Clipper Ship (1.00 / 1) #8 Tue Dec 02, 2008 at 02:40:27 AM EST
in the group. A coalition government would be Dion doing what Jack Layton says because Layton got tired of being the noble loser. Layton has been planning this all along. If this goes to a vote, it may very well hand the conservatives a majority, which would just be funny. I've heard so many Left-leaning voters in the last two days talking about how they'll never vote for the Libs/NDP again. Bizarre.

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Huge opportunity for the Greens by marvin (2.00 / 0) #11 Tue Dec 02, 2008 at 06:17:51 AM EST
A dangerous opportunity, but there is a potential for huge reward. Too bad that Elizabeth May and Stephan Dion are stuck in a mutual admiration society.

If the Greens could come off sounding like statesman on this rather than opportunists, and strike a chord that resounds with the typical left-leaning voter, they could do really well.

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I voted for them last time by Clipper Ship (1.00 / 1) #12 Tue Dec 02, 2008 at 06:22:44 AM EST
and I'll vote for them again. I like May, but she gives off the image of wanting to somehow become a Liberal cabinet member rather than lead the party.

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In a bizarre twist of logic by marvin (2.00 / 0) #13 Tue Dec 02, 2008 at 06:31:30 AM EST
I think I've voted for them twice federally now, because the current crop of Conservatives are useless on environmental issues, and stopped believing in freedom.

Unfortunately, the Greens don't exactly stand out from the crowd on freedom and privacy issues either. There are no parties that I can vote for without some reservations.

The infighting of a mixed Liberal / NDP cabinet will certainly be a spectacle to behold.

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It's Canada, our version of freedom is vastly by Clipper Ship (1.00 / 1) #14 Tue Dec 02, 2008 at 06:59:19 AM EST
different and more conservative than anyone else's. I'm not sure who wants more freedom, but i doubt the Libs/NDP are the ones to provide it. ut, on the other, absolutely nothing will change and as a big a farce as this is, it really amounts to very little. Your life will NOT change one bit becasue Canadian laws prevent anyone from doing anything, given the ultimate conservatism of our country.

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Don't be so sure on that by marvin (2.00 / 0) #15 Tue Dec 02, 2008 at 07:11:57 AM EST
Roy Romanow was the person who made sure that the Canadian Constitution doesn't mention private property rights. Jack Layton's and the NDP vision of Canada is not something that I want to see, and giving the NDP even the tiniest shred of power to start turning their vision into reality is worrisome.

While I am not convinced of government's ability to mitigate the financial crisis, I am confident that the NDP could always make a bad economic situation worse.

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Libs or Conservatives by Clipper Ship (2.50 / 2) #16 Tue Dec 02, 2008 at 07:18:28 AM EST
Neither will do any better in the coming future with economics. It all depends on Obama and they know it. If Saudi's raise the price of oil to $75 a barrel, then we'll all be a little better off since the unemployed auto workers will head west until things settle down.

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If it were Libs on their own, yes by marvin (2.00 / 0) #17 Tue Dec 02, 2008 at 08:36:34 AM EST
There wouldn't be a world of difference between the Dion and the Harper response. It isn't just Dion calling the shots though, and most Canadians believe that Libs + NDP + Bloq = catastrophe.

The Liberal finance minister will be kept busy pandering to the other two parties to keep their support, and they will be unable to deliver solid financial performance.

Don't forget, Harper only ever needed support from one other opposition party to pass bills. Dion will need the combined support of the two greediest ones, who both have a tenuous grasp on reality at best.

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Nothing will get done, but that's the Libs style by Clipper Ship (1.00 / 1) #18 Tue Dec 02, 2008 at 08:43:26 AM EST
Canadians have come to love that stagnant approach to not doing anything and hading out money to each other.

I really think this will be funny, but it doesn't fill me with any sense of dread or anything.

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Betting pool by marvin (2.00 / 0) #19 Tue Dec 02, 2008 at 08:50:15 AM EST
On how long these coalition agreements actually last? Number of days to the first public sniping between NDP and Liberal cabinet ministers?

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I'm surprised by duxup (2.00 / 0) #10 Tue Dec 02, 2008 at 04:53:40 AM EST
I'm surprised that doesn't happen more often in such governments. 

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you mean ... by BlueOregon (2.00 / 0) #20 Tue Dec 02, 2008 at 01:20:49 PM EST
... Italy?

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Italy by duxup (2.00 / 0) #21 Tue Dec 02, 2008 at 01:28:51 PM EST
From what I know Italy's politics... it seems downright dysfunctional.    I figure they're unique... or something.

I'm just surprised it doesn't happen more often in general.


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It's not that crazy by Driusan (4.00 / 1) #22 Tue Dec 02, 2008 at 05:21:46 PM EST
It's more like Germany impeaching Hitler 2 months into his term.

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It's a coup! by me0w (2.00 / 0) #23 Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 04:06:17 AM EST
Soviet Canukistani style.

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