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By marvin (Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 03:11:35 PM EST) (all tags)
Monbiot on macroeconomics. Probably in the Grauniad as well, but I read it on Monbiot's site.


I find George Monbiot an interesting person, even when I don't fully agree with him. Unlike many environmental and social activitists, he actually tries to live in the manner he expects everyone else to. That is refreshing, and all too rare. He also does more than complain, as his book "Heat - How to stop the planet from burning" offered up detailed and well-researched solutions, and gave me some hope that the threat of global warming could be overcome. Not that I don't expect humanity as a whole to cock it up and cook us all, but optimism was never my strength.

So in the article linked above, Monbiot talks about what type of agreement Keynes wanted to see out of Bretton Woods, and what kind of global financial institution should have been developed instead of the IMF.

Reading this should be a bitter irony for Americans, as the country which most opposed Keynes proposal at the time would have benefited the most today. I fear that most of the Americans in positions of power are too thick for the irony to reach them, alas.

I am never sure how I feel about Keynes - the guy was brilliant, but from what I have seen, his prescriptions required discipline and a backbone that politicians have never managed to find. Deficit financing in recession is a wonderful idea that politicians in the 1970s hungrily latched upon like a starving infant onto a milk laden nipple. Problem is, none of these politicians or their sucessors have ever had the testicular fortitude to implement the flip side of Keyne's prescription, which is to accumulate surpluses in times of prosperity, to pay off the debt, or else be held in reserve for any future recession.

What Monbiot reports Keynes to have proposed at Bretton Woods instead of the IMF we have today seems to have been a clearinghouse which would have acted as an international demurrage currency. It would be a nice mechanism to manage trade imbalances, and would certainly have been much kinder to the developing world than the IMF has been. In hindsight, it is amazing to look at how many of the problems with global institutions in the past half century appear to have been caused by America's greed and self-interest. Composition of and veto on UN security council to prevent the UN from acting outside of American interests? Check. Massive environmental degradation in debtor nations to satisfy IMF? Check. The longer I live, the more that the sense of American exceptionalism appears quite unfounded.

I don't know which is a worse prospect to face in the future - consigning Keynes ideas to the dustbin once again, or another half-assed implementation of his ideas. Will Keyne's 60 year old prescription fall on deaf ears once again, even though it is badly needed? Or will short sighted politicians and other power brokers once again partially adopt the portions that provide immediate gain, while the other important actions that require discipline and long term planning for the future continue to be ignored?

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WIPO by Herring (2.00 / 0) #1 Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 03:37:55 PM EST
NCP

Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge - Charles Darwin


WIPO by greyshade (2.00 / 0) #2 Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 04:41:04 PM EST
$my_workplace

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wipo: All of the above by wiredog (2.00 / 0) #3 Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 10:08:58 PM EST
Except maybe for LHuSiBeers, which afaik always works as expected.

Earth First!
(We can strip mine the rest later.)



As a leading protagonist by Breaker (4.00 / 1) #4 Thu Nov 20, 2008 at 07:54:22 AM EST
Of the LHuSiBeers, I can state that we have continually delivered on our mission statement -"go to the pub and drink beers".


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Nope by ucblockhead (1.00 / 1) #9 Thu Nov 20, 2008 at 12:16:19 PM EST
It is fucked up in that it is damn inconvenient for me to get to.
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Moonbat by Breaker (2.00 / 0) #5 Thu Nov 20, 2008 at 07:58:35 AM EST
Is a fucking loon.  And a hypocrite.




So then you won't by marvin (2.00 / 0) #6 Thu Nov 20, 2008 at 09:54:58 AM EST
be joining his fan club? They'll certainly miss your penetrating insight and well-documented rebuttals.

I don't have ready access to the documents he references, but the Wikipedia entry seems to support Monbiot's description of history. 

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I wouldn't want to be a member by Breaker (2.00 / 0) #7 Thu Nov 20, 2008 at 10:32:01 AM EST
Of any society that would accept my membership application.

Have you read any of Moonbat's Grauniad articles?  His science is less than rigorous, he preaches "green" public transport then moves to the sticks and buys a car.


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I usually read them by marvin (2.00 / 0) #8 Thu Nov 20, 2008 at 12:11:17 PM EST
He posts them weekly to monbiot.com. Somehow, even owning a car, I would imagine that his footprint is much lower than yours. It's not like he's driving it everywhere. Not sure about Brits, but the typical Canadian drives down to the corner store for milk, shuttles the children to and from school, and everywhere else. Some kids don't even know how to use a sidewalk here.

Funny about his reasoning for the move to Wales - so that his daughter can grow up learning a regional language that is spoken by maybe a few hundred thousand people at most and used by nobody else in the world. Seems rather parochial and insular to me. Had he moved to Zurich, Marseilles, Milan, Shanghai or Tokyo to learn a local language, it might make sense, but why bother with Welsh, apart from pure nationalism?

What I have read of his science writing seems fairly decent and well researched, based on my chemistry background and what I've read elsewhere on environmental science. No red flags jumped out at me while reading "Heat", although he put a lot of weight on a concrete replacement that isn't quite ready for prime time.

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I don't know by Breaker (2.00 / 0) #10 Thu Nov 20, 2008 at 12:59:46 PM EST
I get the bus or cycle in to work, my food is delivered to my door by an organic farm collective, I recycle everything I can and when I have time I will build a composter for my kitchen waste.  I'm a tightwad enough to not put the heating on unless I already have a jumper on.  So it is possible Moonbat's carbon footprint is less than mine, but probably not by much.

I have yet to read a Moonbat piece where he brings in other research that does not agree with his green agenda, and several where the reports he's writing about have questionable science behind it.




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Activist / journalist first and foremost by marvin (2.00 / 0) #12 Thu Nov 20, 2008 at 04:24:45 PM EST
He's definitely not a scientist. He has an agenda, and doesn't seem to hide that fact. I don't really trust people who claim to be unbiased. I'd rather know their bias out front, so that I can view their work correctly.

I have yet to read much of his work where I am aware of significant deficiencies. So far, I haven't seen anything I can remember where he twists things or takes stuff out of context. People who dislike Monbiot, on the other hand, seem to constantly take his writing out of context.

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He never seems to look at both sides by Breaker (2.00 / 0) #13 Fri Nov 21, 2008 at 06:42:14 AM EST
Which is fine for an activist, not such a good trait in a journalist.


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We are massively Keynesian by cam (2.00 / 0) #11 Thu Nov 20, 2008 at 02:47:37 PM EST
in 2000 the Au govt's tax revenue as a % of GDP was 33.6%; one third of the economy is government run. 


cam
Freedom, liberty, equity and an Australian Republic


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