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By slozo (Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 11:55:42 AM EST) (all tags)
An update on the continuing civil disobedience I am partaking in - that's right, I'm talking about raw milk again, folks.

Plus - cheese! Veggies! Poll!



Every second Saturday or so, I make the drive down to Toronto, having to wake up earlier than I want to, and pick up my milk order. The way it works is, the Sunday before I tell Jackie (the steward of my cow's two teats, which I technically own) how many litres (or jars, they come in 2L jars, no, not the olden style kind - think applesauce)I want for the next week's order. I am allowed up to 15L a week, which for our purposes means 30L or 15 jars every two weeks. Obviously, the wife and I could never drink that much in two weeks, so it allows us a decent amount of room to get milk for others if they want it. L'ilstar and CBB, along with OldeOak and my mom (hunh, no husi moniker yet . . . I'll try out Whitedove) are also partaking in the raw milk, so every second week I end up getting about a dozen 2 litre jars of the precious stuff.

So, on the Saturday morning I drive to a secret location in Toronto to meet up with Jackie for my order. She sells her wares from a friend's house, and parks her pick-up in the driveway while we just walk up with our empty jars to make a switch for full ones. She is a plump, pleasant faced woman, and often comes with her kids in tow, their freckled little faces looking inquisitively at each as the eldest marks down some figure in a book after her mom tells her to make a note of a financial transaction. The other "raw milkers" are an ethnic mix, with at least half northern and eastern europeans (including russians and ukranians), but a decent amount of asians also represent. I am one of the few with no foreign accent.

The economics of it are interesting - first, an initial cowshare had to be purchased for 300 dollars, thereby technically buying a part of a cow (her name is Fantasy, btw). Then, there are the ongoing costs - $2 per litre, or $4 per jar; $1 deposit on each jar until returned (so just the initial cost, really); and a transportation fee of $20 each pick-up (Jackie's farm is nearish Ottawa, and it's a long haul in an old truck). We get cheese from her almost everytime as well now, $25 for a round block of it; and a dozen eggs is $4 (we are also getting this when we can, but it's from her friend's farm and is infrequent). So, the grand total is often close to what it was last Saturday, $97. This makes milk about $2.84/L. Of course, I am not figuring in my transportation costs of driving down to pick it up . . . but sometimes I work on the weekends, and work is close.

In other hippy news, the wife and I have found a local butcher shop that sells all-natural beef and pork, as well as some sweetass bacon. Initially, we had thought of getting a freezer, and ordering en masse from a farmer with non-steroid addled cattle - but with this, we get the fresher option. The ground beef and pork is a little pricier, but it's so worth it - and surprisingly to me, the beef tastes better.

We don't have a goat yet, but who knows what the future holds . . .

Next goal: homegrown, natural vegetables. This means I really don't want some hybrid tomato that has been genetically altered to be enourmous and bland tasting (or square) - I want the Olde Style shit. Garlic is a big one for me, as I am sick of buying garlic with monster cloves and less taste. Fricken frankenfoods.

Anyways, any advice on seed purchasing for this next endeavour is appreciated. Also, any advice on the potential to grow my own mushrooms?

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Heirloom Tomatos by wiredog (4.00 / 1) #1 Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 12:11:32 PM EST
Lots of places, now, that sell seeds for those.  Often at low, or just the shipping, cost, as they are trying to keep the breed alive. You may have to go hydroponic, however, as tomatoes like warmer climes.  Haven't looked at doing it myself as I live in an apartment. 

Probably easy to get natural garlic as well.  Check asian groceries for that. 

The only mushrooms I ever grew were highly illegal.  Easy, however.  But why bother growing your own mushrooms?  I haven't heard that people are doing GM mushrooms.

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Mushrooms by Gedvondur (4.00 / 1) #2 Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 12:51:56 PM EST
There are several sites for that.

http://www.fungi.com/kits/indoor.html

Is the one that I have been interested with.  I have been thinking about this for several years.  The coffee-grounds-and-newspaper for button mushrooms one seems to be economical and interesting.

You may want to consult with ni, he has experience growing organic mushrooms.

Now you gotta start making your own beer!

Gedvondur
"It is virtually impossible to effectively aim a jellyfish, a creature created by God almost solely for the purpose of not flying."- CRwM


Thanks for the link . . . by slozo (4.00 / 1) #5 Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 01:20:00 PM EST
. . . will look into it. The more I think about it, the more I look forward to growing mushrooms in the backyard, with some indoors as well, perhaps. The wife and I use shrooms a lot in our cooking, and I have often wondered why more people don't grow them at home . . .


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Seeds and products by blixco (4.00 / 1) #3 Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 12:52:38 PM EST
and help:

http://www.greenpeople.org/seeds.htm

Scroll down 'til you see Canadia.

Also, if you can find grass fed animals (I'm not sure organic or "natural" means grass finished, I guess it's best to ask) it's much better for you, and damn tasty.
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Yeah, grass fed . . . by slozo (4.00 / 1) #4 Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 01:08:47 PM EST
. . . was included in my "natural" description. I guess that's why the beef seemed tastier to me, although at the time you can't be sure because there is psychology involved.

Thanx for the link!

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I have this vision by chuckles (2.00 / 0) #6 Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 11:01:40 PM EST
of guys in overalls driving souped-up muscle cars filled with jugs of milk through backcountry roads, trying to outrun Johnny Law.

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G'ol darnitt . . . by slozo (2.00 / 0) #10 Tue Jan 08, 2008 at 09:13:32 AM EST
. . . you foolass cityslickers're all the same. Ya wouldn't know a real farmer e'en if he hit'chya upside the noggin with a spade!

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Depends by Pasofol (4.00 / 1) #7 Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 11:24:44 PM EST
one what you need.

I have "mushrooms" growing as we speak but are in mycelium colonizing stage.  I'm going to speed up a sample patch but not sure how it'll turn out.
www.shroomery.org is best place for all your growing info.
I ordered spores from spores101.com and have been happy with them.  I should eventually have some nice oyster mushrooms but not growing with SHIT has disadvantages but I'm not going to be sleeping next to shit.   (Setup cost is actually okay compared to other things and operationally costs extremely low plus doesn't take up too much room.  Only problem is keeping contamination under control.)  If you want more info you are free to ask me.

My grandparents in Poland are old time farmers and basically grow their own veggies.  They have everything from herbs to corn.  I'm amazed how effectively different crop is grown over such a small area but a lot of work goes into it.  They do have some nice garlic cloves which are/were a lot more spicy than the over the market type but figured it was due to their freshness.  (If you need I can ask them to be sent some over and you can grow from that but I think you should be able to find something locally.  Ask some Italians they love to have small gardens in the city.)




A great help, thanks . . . by slozo (2.00 / 0) #9 Tue Jan 08, 2008 at 09:09:27 AM EST
. . . yeah, I have heard about the whole "shit" thing with mushrooms, lol. Well, in a perfect world, I could hide them in places like my high basement windowsills - but because of the back porch, the light is just too low (effectively blocks out most sun), methinks. Or maybe you have some advice on good edible mushrooms that thrive in very low light? Clearly, I have some research ahead of me, at any rate.

I agree, should be able to find what I want here locally  - if I am desperate, I can always hit up the Amish who are somewhat nearby. I will keep you in mind though, thanks again for the link and offer.

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Mushrooms don't need light! by Pasofol (2.00 / 0) #11 Tue Jan 08, 2008 at 10:08:59 AM EST
Reason for it's operational costs being so low.  Were as cannabis requires expensive HID lights or high omitting fluorescent which uses a lot of electricity.

The light part isn't exactly true but close enough they only require temperature drop, humidity ,and some light to activate their fruiting.  By some I mean like a $10 complete fluorescent light you can buy at walmart and setup a timer to have it turn on 6hours a day (some dispute as to how long some say 4hr some say 12hr).  Too much light is actually very bad and will kill the mushroom.

I'd like to use horse shit but it's not accessible for me and again sleeping next to it.  I use Wild Bird Seed for growing Mycelium Culture then plan to use vermiculite/coco coir for casing which I got from bustan.ca I don't like their new place.

Depending on your setup you can have something growing for as little as 100 bucks if you improvise with what you have.  If you have a pressure cooker (mush have) than you save yourself like a hundred bucks.

Overall growing mushrooms is a lot more work and checking than any plant you may try but worth it if you are growing shrooms and can't exactly buy them cheap to begin with.

I'd suggest growing herbs in home.  Having fresh ones makes huge difference and are cheap plus easy to grow.  Just some soil, plants/seeds and light (100w to 150w should be more than enough).

If you have a garden than you should/can have a lot of nice things growing throughout the year.  There's usually many strains of things so they fruit at different times of year like garlic (like a month apart).  A cheap greenhouse can be bought at canadiantire to grow faster. 

Not sure what you have to work with but I basically have no room and no garden (apartments suck).  So basically can't grow much of anything.

Hmm perhaps a trade off?  I can help you setup and  in return I can have some crop/space in a garden?  Not sure if you'd be interested in something like that.

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I don't care too much about the raw milk angle by dr k (4.00 / 1) #8 Tue Jan 08, 2008 at 04:05:09 AM EST
just please please write more so that I don't have to read any more stories about c-sections!

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richter's herbs by misslake (4.00 / 1) #12 Tue Jan 08, 2008 at 08:57:05 PM EST
they sell heirloom veggies, flowers, and mushroom kits.
also floribunda seeds for local ontario herloom seeds and things.

http://www.florabundaseeds.com/
http://www.richters.com/



Two very good links . . . by slozo (2.00 / 0) #15 Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 08:04:53 AM EST
. . . mucho thanks, miss green thumb! Looks like I will be stopping by that Richter's place in the future.

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ugh by dev trash (2.00 / 0) #13 Tue Jan 08, 2008 at 09:33:32 PM EST
Listeria is deadly.  There are better ways to be civilly disobedient.

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Don't worry . . . by slozo (2.00 / 0) #14 Tue Jan 08, 2008 at 10:34:23 PM EST
. . . my cow washes her tits before a good milking.

Teats, I meant teats.

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Mushrooms: by ammoniacal (4.00 / 1) #16 Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 08:03:44 PM EST
They'll grow just fine in that bullshit you posted in my diary.

This coomenat has be n soidnsord by hurricanbe ice malt liqur


See, this is what I was saying . . . by slozo (4.00 / 1) #17 Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 08:37:14 AM EST
. . . stick to the curmudgeonly, ascerbic wit, and we'll still love ya.

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