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By wiredog (Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 11:06:16 AM EST) (all tags)
One side effect of interest rate cuts (because they increase the money supply) is that they tend to spike inflation. Fortunately prices for food, fuel, and other goods have been dropping like a rock this year! Right?


Top story, above the fold, adapted and updated during the day on the web.
The Federal Reserve cut a key U.S. interest rate by three-quarters of a percentage point this morning as a global stock sell-off continued on Wall Street today, with the Dow Jones industrial average dropping more than 400 points in its opening minutes. [So much for plan A...]

It is the largest single rate cut in at least 18 years, beyond even the initial half percentage point reduction that the Fed made following the 2001 terrorist attacks in New York and Washington. [Which triggered the housing boom, which got us into this mess in the first place.]

The global sell-off has involved some of the worst market declines since Sept. 11, 2001 and has erased more than $5 trillion in value from stock markets this year.

Indian shares plunged ... nearly 11 percent ... The Australian market suffered its worst one-day fall ever, while Japan's Nikkei fell 5.65 percent to its lowest point since 2005. It is down nearly 18 percent this year.

In Hong Kong, the Hang Seng Index was down 8.65 percent Tuesday, after dropping 5.49 percent on Monday. It's off 19 percent this year and is 30 percent lower than a peak in late October.

European markets were also adding to Monday's losses, though the pace of decline had moderated. London's FTSE 100, which lost 5.48 percent on Monday, was down 0.22 percent at midday. Germany's DAX index, down 7.16 percent on Monday, was off an additional 2.28 percent.

The companies that insure bond investors against defaults are having to make massive payouts. One, ACA Financial, owes $60 billion that it cannot afford to pay and has been taken over by the Maryland insurance regulator. Its credit rating has been lowered. [About which see more below.]

the Bank of China is exposed to subprime U.S. mortgage loans to a degree it had not previously disclosed and may have to write down the value of its $8 billion in such investments. [See the Atlantic articles linked below, especially the second one, for the fun that could cause.]

The following commentary was on the front page. I can't recall seeing an opinion piece on the front page of the print edition before.
More Room to Fall

One of those [bond] insurers, ACA, is effectively under the receivership of Maryland's insurance commissioner after losing more than $1 billion in the third quarter and seeing its credit rating drop from AAA to CCC in a single move. Merrill Lynch has been forced to write down $1.9 billion to reflect the likelihood of an ACA default, while the Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce said it would have to issue $2.75 billion in additional stock to offset losses it thought it had insured against with ACA.

Also facing possible ratings downgrades -- and with that, the increased possibility of default-- are ACA's largest rivals, MBIA and Ambac. Together, those firms insure more than $2 trillion in loans, bonds and other securities. Because the credit-default-swaps market is almost completely unregulated, it's anyone's guess who is at the other end of those swaps.

You know what they say: A trillion here, a trillion there, and pretty soon you're talking about real money!


From The Atlantic:
Countdown to a Meltdown

The $1.4 Trillion Question

Land of Plenty


Political wonkery from PC Magazine (Really!) China-Taiwan Showdown Involves Politics, PCs
if things fall apart and a Tom Clancy scenario unfolds in the Taiwan Strait you can forget about upgrading your PC or laptop for a while. The hundred miles of shallow seas separating Taiwan and China happen to be the most important yet most precarious link in the global ICT supply chain.

Now for the really important news: Young Celebrities Prompting Early Obits
Now news that The Associated Press has prepared an obituary for 26-year-old Britney Spears has put the spotlight on a debate transpiring within the business of reporting death: With people grabbing the celebrity spotlight at a younger age, and some of them living lives of obviously dangerous excess, is it time for news organizations to begin preparing for early exits from celebritydom's under-30 crowd?
The best line is the last:
"Who in the '60s would have thought Keith Richards would have outlasted John Denver?"

Update [2008-1-22 17:23:59 by wiredog]: "Heath Ledger Found Dead in NYC at Age 28" Drugs, apparently. I wonder if the Post had an obit ready...

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I can't wait for my usurious credit card rates by georgeha (2.00 / 0) #1 Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 11:15:10 AM EST
to drop. This will muck up my plan to take another loan on my 401k to pay off CC debt.




I just figure on never retiring. by wiredog (2.00 / 0) #2 Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 11:23:23 AM EST
I stopped putting money into the 401k, in order to pay down the CC, last year. That's starting to look like a really good decision.

Earth First!
(We can strip mine the rest later.)

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I did too, to make ends meet by georgeha (2.00 / 0) #3 Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 11:28:38 AM EST
I hope to start contributing within a year.

On the long term view, work is the only reason I need to drive, though pulling a wagon of groceries two miles would suck, and eleven year old will likely end up at the Catholic school across the city. $4/5 USD per gallon gas prices would directly hurt us less than some.


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they probably won't by StackyMcRacky (2.00 / 0) #12 Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 01:18:09 PM EST
how do you think the banks are going to make back all that money they lost in foreclosures?

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I know, my interest rates only go up by georgeha (2.00 / 0) #15 Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 01:31:13 PM EST
I'll be ecastatic when I pay off the last card, though it won't be for years.


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Dear Usians by glamorgan (4.00 / 5) #4 Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 11:37:16 AM EST
Please to be keeping your recession to yourself.

Thanks,
The World



Imagine what the Chinese are thinking. by wiredog (2.00 / 0) #5 Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 11:49:20 AM EST
Between the fall in the dollar and the fall in the markets, their dollar holdings (~$1.5000,000,000,000) are cratering. But what can they do? Stop selling to the US, which pays in dollars?

Earth First!
(We can strip mine the rest later.)

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Simple by DullTrev (2.00 / 0) #6 Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 11:57:57 AM EST

Bill in euros.


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DFJ?
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Yeah, right by wiredog (2.00 / 0) #7 Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 11:59:18 AM EST
Then the US buys less stuff from them, which breaks the deal between the Chines government and the people, which leads to upheaval in China...

Earth First!
(We can strip mine the rest later.)

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Meh by DullTrev (2.00 / 0) #8 Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 12:12:16 PM EST

China needs a new market, and it also needs to be less reliant on one currency. At the moment, upheaval would come if there was an influx of money into the country (money being spent in the country, I mean), not losing what has already been sent out to buy bonds. If they can begin to increase their EU sales (off-hand, I don't know how large a trading partner the EU is, and, in the best traditions of the internet, can't be arsed to look) then they can keep the growth going, without having to worry about upheaval. If there was a slowdown, it would reduce the inflation effecting food (which is something people get worked up about). Admittedly, if it was a very big slowdown you'd start getting lots of urban unemployed, bit given this is a country that used tanks against its own citizens not too long ago, I don't think they'd be too worried.

Of course, I don't understand economics, China, or Americans, so, you know...


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DFJ?
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Not just China by lm (2.00 / 0) #9 Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 12:49:48 PM EST
If markets are tanking from Asia (Japan, India) to Europe (France, Germany) to the south seas (Singapore, Australia) because of a projected recession in the US, that really says more about the rest of the world than it does about the US.

There is no more degenerate kind of state than that in which the richest are supposed to be the best.
Cicero, The Republic
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Help us help you by duxup (2.00 / 0) #16 Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 01:45:39 PM EST
Stop backing our stupid mortgages and etc!

Best bet is to withdraw from the world economy all together IMO.
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dear world by MillMan (4.00 / 1) #25 Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 04:16:48 PM EST
please elect politicians that don't bend over at mere sight of a US politician speaking.

When I'm imprisoned as an enemy combatant, will you blog about it?
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Touche by glamorgan (2.00 / 0) #34 Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 12:10:10 AM EST
Signed,
Canada

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Heh by webwench (2.00 / 0) #10 Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 01:03:10 PM EST
Sounds like an opportunity for a mortgage refi...


Getting more attention than you since 1998.


Well by Phil the Canuck (2.00 / 0) #11 Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 01:06:16 PM EST
I got a delicious rate over the weekend...

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They never learn by ucblockhead (4.00 / 1) #20 Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 02:28:20 PM EST
Just a couple weeks ago I got a letter that offered me a payment of only $137/month (not a misprint) for ten years on a new mortgage. (Note that my current payment is around $3600/month on a 30 year fixed.) As far as I can tell, it was a negative mortgage designed to eat up all equity for ten years.

Given what the market is doing, I'd imagine this would have pushed me in a negative mortgage pretty quickly.
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ウセーバラケダ
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Timing by Vulch (2.00 / 0) #23 Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 03:31:31 PM EST

Yesterday my annual mortgage statement came through. On New Years Eve I owed a grand total of 84 pounds and 88 pence, a few days into the new year they took the normal monthly payment of a touch under 335 quid. I shall leave shouting at them until next week though as at some point I brought the payment date forward by three weeks and I suspect from a couple of other occurrences when the interest rate changed that the sums and payments are out of sync.

I was going to start putting some of the money into shares paying high dividends, but with the markets diving I'll hold off on that. Trouble is, if everything else is heading the same way... HoHum, wonder what the gold price is like.

I'm expecting the paper loan spam to take a sharp upturn in the next few weeks...

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quick note by StackyMcRacky (4.00 / 2) #13 Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 01:26:20 PM EST
it wasn't just the interest rate drop that sparked the housing boom, it was also (in a HUGE part) the fact you could get a mortgage if you just said you had a pulse (didn't have to prove it, just claimed you had one).



money was lent to the point by cam (2.00 / 0) #17 Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 01:55:57 PM EST
that the lenders were insolvent too.

cam
Freedom, liberty, equity and an Australian Republic
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Lenders were victims by chuckles (2.00 / 0) #18 Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 02:10:50 PM EST
of predatory borrowers.

Sent from my iPhone.


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OUCH QUIT TWISTING MY ARM AND FORCING ME TO LEND by discordia (2.00 / 0) #26 Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 04:42:29 PM EST
MONAY TO FUNDAMENTALLY UNQUALIFIED LENDEES OW OW MOMMY MAKE 'IM STOP

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They did that, in part, because money was cheap by lm (2.00 / 0) #24 Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 03:39:03 PM EST
That banks could borrow money from each other at such a low interest rate is part of the reason that they were willing to increase the number of risks that they took. If the risks turned out bad, they could just borrow more money at absurdly low rates. Lather. Rinse. Repeat.

There is no more degenerate kind of state than that in which the richest are supposed to be the best.
Cicero, The Republic
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WHEN UNCERTAIN OR IN DOUBT by discordia (4.00 / 5) #14 Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 01:28:27 PM EST
RUN IN CIRCLES, SCREAM AND SHOUT!



I TRIED THAT by duxup (4.00 / 6) #19 Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 02:24:33 PM EST
THEY JUST KEEP CALLING SECURITY!
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Security! by wiredog (4.00 / 5) #21 Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 03:00:21 PM EST
We've got some whack job down here in the lobby running in circles, screaming, shouting, and hugging random passers-by. Could you send someone down to tase him? Thanks.

Earth First!
(We can strip mine the rest later.)

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SEE! by duxup (4.00 / 3) #22 Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 03:13:25 PM EST
n/t
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so duxup by cam (4.00 / 2) #27 Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 04:50:06 PM EST
is the "dont taze me bro" guy.

cam
Freedom, liberty, equity and an Australian Republic
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I'm not a bro guy by duxup (4.00 / 1) #28 Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 04:54:01 PM EST
I wouldn't use the word "bro".  I'm rather fond of "dude".
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i need to get away from the internets for a few by greyshade (4.00 / 2) #29 Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 04:59:42 PM EST
I read that as
Could you send someone down to taste him?

"The other part of the fun is nibbling on them when they get off work." -vorheesleatherface
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You're a sick, sick, man. by wiredog (4.00 / 1) #30 Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 05:14:20 PM EST
Or mr goat.  Or both.

Earth First!
(We can strip mine the rest later.)

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Yes. Yes I am. by greyshade (2.00 / 0) #32 Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 06:24:27 PM EST
Guilty on both counts.

"The other part of the fun is nibbling on them when they get off work." -vorheesleatherface
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This sucks for those of us by miker2 (2.00 / 0) #31 Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 05:31:26 PM EST
that have zero short term debt and have a bunch in savings.

Although it does make mortgage shopping that much more enjoyable.  I'll probably get into a 30yr fixed at 5.5% with no points.


Ah, sociopathy. How warm, how comforting, thy sweet embrace. - MNS


i'd think this would be a terrible time by aphrael (2.00 / 0) #36 Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 12:05:54 PM EST
real interest rates by aphrael (2.00 / 0) #33 Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 07:47:45 PM EST
are now negative.

Sounds like Japan, circa 1991, doesn't it?

If television is a babysitter, the internet is a drunk librarian who won't shut up.


But without the work ethic $ by Scrymarch (2.00 / 0) #35 Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 09:09:10 AM EST


The Political Science Department of the University of Woolloomooloo

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