Print Story Two years of marriage, gone to meh.
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By Arbeit Macht Pie (Thu Aug 09, 2007 at 04:07:18 PM EST) (all tags)
The wife's lost interest in being intimate, no young kids involved, so that's probably not the problem.


All discussions about the loss of interest lead to the same place, "I dunno why."

My current needs aren't being met under the current regime and I miss the touch of a woman. I don't see the light at the end of the tunnel, in regards to the frigidity issue.

Any advice from the crowd?

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PAGING MR RAT, MR MNS by sasquatchan (4.00 / 5) #1 Thu Aug 09, 2007 at 04:10:46 PM EST
Doooomed.



Ob When A Stranger Calls: by greyrat (4.00 / 3) #29 Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 12:34:40 PM EST
The lack of sex is coming from inside the house! Get out of the house! GET OUT OF THE HOUSE!!!

Also, plenty more fish in the sea, blah blah blah...

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She needs help by theboz (4.00 / 2) #2 Thu Aug 09, 2007 at 04:16:25 PM EST
Psychiatric perhaps, maybe she is depressed. Maybe she has a chemical imbalance or is sick. I know it pisses women off sometimes, but you just need to tell her that you have physical needs, and that fucking is one of them. To a man, having sex is a way of knowing that a woman cares, and by refusing to sleep with you, you feel like she doesn't care about you. Of course, that will not get you laid and will possibly make it worse as she feels more pressure, but you need to know what is going on and there's no reason to pussyfoot around it. If you are in a position where she is not willing to talk with you and you're getting nowhere, maybe it is time to leave.
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That's what I always say about you, boz, you have a good memory for random facts about pussy. -- joh3n


Yes, she has a chemical imbalance. by Arbeit Macht Pie (4.00 / 1) #37 Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 03:11:38 PM EST
That said, other people with that condition manage to maintain relationships, so I'm not convinced that it's the only factor.

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Well... by anonimouse (4.00 / 2) #3 Thu Aug 09, 2007 at 04:17:42 PM EST
..if you've been here a long time (as someone else?), you'll know my recommendation.

More seriously, it depends on whether:

a) you believe that you can regain what you think you had
b) you can be arsed to do so

If you do want to try, head for counselling, if not head for divorce.


Girls come and go but a mortgage is for 25 years -- JtL


I have the urge to leave a smartass comment. by toxicfur (4.00 / 3) #4 Thu Aug 09, 2007 at 04:20:16 PM EST
But I won't. In a previous relationship, 3 of the 5 years were basically without sex. The biggest reasons for our lack of sex life were 1) just ordinary "it's not new anymore" stuff; and 2) there were other, much more serious, problems in our relationship. Guess which one was more important?

So I guess my suggestion, since you asked for advice, is to figure out if there are any underlying problems. Also, do stuff together that doesn't have to lead to sex. Going to a movie. Going for a walk. Talk to each other. Massage (for her). Importantly, don't expect more sex to happen immediately - woo her again. And if there are more serious underlying problems, figure it out and work on them with her (and if she isn't willing to work on underlying problems, then your relationship is probably doomed). Good luck.
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If you don't get a Bonnie, my universe will not make sense. --blixco


Why did you tolerate that drought for so long by Arbeit Macht Pie (2.00 / 0) #38 Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 03:13:32 PM EST
if I may ask?

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Lots of reasons, by toxicfur (4.00 / 1) #43 Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 03:43:11 PM EST
most of them related to the underlying problems my ex and I were having. I was depressed, I was afraid to leave for financial and emotional reasons, I was too young to be in a relationship that serious (we were both in our early 20s). And, after a while, I started feeling like I didn't deserve anything any better. The whole relationship was fucked, and our communication with one another had deteriorated to the point where the most profound conversations we had were about what we were going to have for dinner.

Certainly, there are reasons to put up with a drought, but I don't think that a 3-year drought is at all reasonable. For me, it got to the point I just didn't care anymore, and the security of being in a relationship outweighed the bad parts. I was an idiot, and if I had it to do over again, I would a) not have ended up in a serious relationship with that particular person; and b) would have made sure that the underlying problems in the relationship were addressed before we ever got to the point that there wasn't anything worth salvaging.
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If you don't get a Bonnie, my universe will not make sense. --blixco
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Thanks. by Arbeit Macht Pie (4.00 / 1) #44 Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 03:48:45 PM EST
Reading this gives me hope that I'll pull through this.

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I recommend time by georgeha (4.00 / 1) #5 Thu Aug 09, 2007 at 05:00:00 PM EST
once you hit your 40's, your libido goes down and you'd almost rather ride your bike.

Otherwise, see a marriage counselor, read The Five Love Languages, eat saltpeter, or see a divorce lawyer.




I sold the bike by wiredog (4.00 / 3) #6 Thu Aug 09, 2007 at 06:07:47 PM EST
and am trying to get a younger gf...

Earth First!
(We can strip mine the rest later.)

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advice? here? by clover kicker (4.00 / 1) #7 Thu Aug 09, 2007 at 07:32:32 PM EST
better than nothing



OMG that is so k5 by fleece (4.00 / 2) #13 Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 05:39:52 AM EST


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Clear communication of your needs by blixco (4.00 / 2) #8 Thu Aug 09, 2007 at 07:57:16 PM EST
coupled with an entirely different approach to how you initiate the naughty?  Like, she comes home and you give her a massage and a bath and oh god I'm tired already can we take a quick nap?
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"You bring the weasel, I'll bring the whiskey." - kellnerin


Embrace the tears by MohammedNiyalSayeed (4.00 / 2) #9 Thu Aug 09, 2007 at 11:26:27 PM EST
It is the one truly universal leveller.
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You can build the most elegant fountain in the world, but eventually a winged rat will be using it as a drinking bowl.


Spoken like a true monk. by Arbeit Macht Pie (4.00 / 1) #39 Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 03:15:05 PM EST
Wiser words have yet to be written.

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depends by LilFlightTest (4.00 / 2) #10 Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 02:09:39 AM EST
no touch at all, not even snuggling, or is it everything but sex? it might be that she's tired or stressed. she might be depressed, or possibly even have a hormonal imbalance. maybe check with a doctor?

it's hard to say without more info, i guess. but don't forget that she might wish she wanted to more, but just doesn't. also, there might be things missing that neither of you realizes. try extra romance, nice dinners, just be extra considerate. don't make her feel pressured, just be sweet. maybe you've tried all that...but most, if not all, relationships take effort.
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if de-virgination results in me being able to birth hammerhead sharks, SIGN ME UP!!! --misslake


Nothing at all. Totally Cold Fish. by Arbeit Macht Pie (2.00 / 0) #40 Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 03:17:18 PM EST
I'm starting to believe that the chemical imbalance is the chief culprit.

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Unhelpful suggestions by Herring (4.00 / 1) #11 Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 05:13:48 AM EST
  1. Write to Dan Savage
  2. Spike her drinks
  3. Spike your own drinks (which is my personal choice)


Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge - Charles Darwin


I suppose by anonimouse (4.00 / 1) #12 Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 05:36:58 AM EST
..the question is whether you believe that you're still putting the effort in to make your marriage enjoyable. If you believe you are, and things are still bad, then its time to ride off into the sunset. If you aren't then a change of approach is required before you have a right to complain.

I'm still trying to decide if you're a troll or an old name with a new account (or both)


Girls come and go but a mortgage is for 25 years -- JtL


ROHPYNOL THE CASSEROLE by fleece (4.00 / 2) #14 Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 05:41:43 AM EST
is what they're doing in the suburbs now



That sucks, as people . . . by slozo (4.00 / 2) #15 Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 07:41:13 AM EST
. . . rarely do something they don't want to do.

She says she has "lost interest" . . . and she doesn't know why? Well, that clearly doesn't cut it, and if she isn't trying hard enough to give you an idea of how/why she is feeling about it, that is another problem. My opinion is, before fixing a problem, you need to know the problem.

The result of the core issue is that you want sex/intimacy, and she doesn't. She needs to clearly explain her reasoning, her problem/issue with it, and why she doesn't 'feel' like it, and why she is unwilling to offer it despite that feeling (sacrificing her needs and wants for yours, out of love/compassion/duty/whatever). Hey, you're married, and sex is a normal and healthy thing, unless you are in some other different sort of contract. If you require a counsellor to help in the process, then I suggest you do it.

Once you know the actual root of the problem, then solutions might be easier to find . . .



is it her, you, or both? by webwench (4.00 / 2) #16 Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 09:07:36 AM EST
(1) Send her to a doc.

(2) Look in the mirror and think about whether you're the common thread in your relationship-difficulty history.

(Like I'm one to talk... but hey, you asked.)


Getting more attention than you since 1998.


How long did you date? by Bob Abooey (4.00 / 3) #17 Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 09:25:42 AM EST
Some womens just don't have much sex drive. I'm no doctor so I can't surmise why that is, but that seems to be the way it goes.

I think they put up with it during the dating process until they get the legal docs signed then you're on the downward spiral.

This is why I'm opposed to the institution of marriage unless you've dated for about 15 years or so. And frankly I think marriage should be for 5 year intervals. After 5 years you decide, as a couple, if you want to renew the contract for another 5. That would stop one member from taking the other for granted, or mis-representing themselves during the courtship.

Slozo hit it right on the head. She's not being forthright with her "dunno" reason. I suggest you stop going to work and paying the bills. Tell her you've lost interest in supporting her but you "jus don know why" when pressed for a reason.

Warmest regards,
--Your best pal Bob

How's my blogging: Call me at 209.867.5309 to complain.


Harsh! by Breaker (4.00 / 1) #21 Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 10:19:28 AM EST
I suggest you stop going to work and paying the bills.

Tit for tat?  That'd never work surely?


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Maybe that's why I'm single by Bob Abooey (4.00 / 1) #22 Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 10:31:42 AM EST
Okay - I was exaggerating in an effort to make a point.

The fact remains that she's cut him off and won't tell him why and you don't have to be an Internet Super Hero to see where this one is headed.

Warmest regards,
--Your best pal Bob

How's my blogging: Call me at 209.867.5309 to complain.
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Well... by Breaker (4.00 / 1) #18 Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 09:39:41 AM EST
Here's a start

Seriously though, is she under stress from another area of your lives?

Try a month of concerted wooing and see how you go.    Flowers, choccies, candlelit dinners, long chats about not very much where you try to have her do all the talking.

I do find it odd that she's not putting out even a little bit to keep you sweet.  Surely that's part of being together; occasionally doing something you couldn't give a rats arse about that the other person really wants?




Exactly! by Bob Abooey (4.00 / 2) #19 Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 09:49:50 AM EST
I do find it odd that she's not putting out even a little bit to keep you sweet.  Surely that's part of being together; occasionally doing something you couldn't give a rats arse about that the other person really wants?

Right. He probably sits and watches the silly TV shows she likes, and he let her decorate the bathroom in a foo foo fashion.

And yet many of the responses are that he should "try harder" and "woo her" and etc. Sure, that's always good, but it seems to me that she needs to be the one trying a little harder.

Warmest regards,
--Your best pal Bob

How's my blogging: Call me at 209.867.5309 to complain.
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wooing by Merekat (4.00 / 2) #20 Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 10:09:31 AM EST
Depending on history to date, wooing could seriously backfire as more pressure. A full and frank exchange of views and a resulting plan of action possibly involving medical professionals may be more appropriate.

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Indeed by hulver (4.00 / 2) #24 Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 11:55:06 AM EST
Myself and J had a full and frank discussion about something very similar, and it transpired that whenever I did something romantic she was always bracing herself thinking "When's he going to make a move then".

Once we'd got that out in the open, I backed off from always trying it on. I hadn't even realised I was doing it. It was just obvious to me, nice stuff -> nookie.

I changed my attitude and when we did nice things together, and I left her to make the moves if she wanted.

It seems a bit one sided to me, but hell it's very rare I can't be coaxed to be "in the mood" when J is.

It improved our sex life for a while, although with her starting Uni we've both been too busy/tired lately.

Probably far TMI for a reply to you Merekat, but hopefully AMP will get something out of it.

There was a link R Mutt (I think, or his alterego) posted some time ago that was related to this. Reading that helped me understand what J was feeling, and how we could work through it.

And it does take work.
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smart, pretty, sane. pick two - georgeha
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Under stress? by Arbeit Macht Pie (2.00 / 0) #41 Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 03:20:06 PM EST
Well, she's a "Type A" personality, and aren't those people supposed to thrive under stress?

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advice & a comment to others by StackyMcRacky (4.00 / 2) #23 Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 11:11:51 AM EST
a person suddenly stops wanting sex either due to a medical problem or emotional problem.

"i don't know" as a reason could be either one, but if it's an emotional problem then she probably DOES know but doesn't want to deal with it.  this is a very bad sign for your marriage.  most likely "romance" will not solve the problem, but therapy and honesty will.

now, for the comment:  a big fat FUCK THE HELL OFF to all you fucking idiot men who pull the "she cut you off" bullshit.  Guess what, asshats....MEN PULL THIS EXACT SAME SHIT AS WELL so quit making it out to be some kind of woman-only stunt.



Easy tiger. by Breaker (4.00 / 2) #25 Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 11:56:41 AM EST
I've just re-read all the comments and I'm damned if I can see any kind of "teh womens are teh evil bitchorrs, teh menz wurn't do this".

Now, in light of what everyone else has written, if A.M. Pie was a lady writing about her husband, please post your reply below.


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There was the second Bob post by georgeha (4.00 / 3) #26 Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 12:01:54 PM EST
maybe someone should let Stack no that Bob is a famous internet troll who should rarely be taken seriously.


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Well by Bob Abooey (4.00 / 4) #27 Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 12:21:42 PM EST
Just cause I call em like I see em doesn't mean I'm not giving solid advise.

The facts here are that she cut him off. He plainly states that. That's not a debatable point here.

Lets face it, women control when you have sex. That's just the way it is. If a hot guy walks into a bar filled with woman and asks who wants to have sex a few hands will shoot up. If a hot woman walks into a bar filled with guys and asks who wants to have sex EVERY HAND WILL GO UP.

And actually Hulver hit it right on the head too when he said that guys are conditioned to equate Woo her, buy her stuff, be sweet to her, etc, with having sex. Reading many of the replies here backs that up too. That's just fucked up, plain and simple.

No sir, I'm dug in on this one and I'm not backing down one bit.

Warmest regards,
--Your best pal Bob

How's my blogging: Call me at 209.867.5309 to complain.
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it wasn't just bob by StackyMcRacky (4.00 / 2) #28 Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 12:23:45 PM EST
there were a couple of posts that set me off.

POV comes from experience, etc. blah.  but my rant stands.

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Fair enough by Breaker (4.00 / 1) #30 Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 12:42:13 PM EST
But I haven't seen a post that states "men don't do this".  I'm pretty sure they will, or will act off in another way.

But I refer you back to my original question - if AM Pie was a woman in the same situation with her husband posting this diary, what would you be posting as a reply?


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did you read my comment by StackyMcRacky (4.00 / 1) #31 Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 12:45:46 PM EST
because i posted advice before the "comment to others" part of it.

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Yes. by Breaker (4.00 / 1) #33 Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 01:04:31 PM EST
Are you saying that your advice would be the same regardless of which gender had it?


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yeah by StackyMcRacky (4.00 / 1) #35 Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 02:05:00 PM EST


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Fair enough then. by Breaker (2.00 / 0) #49 Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 07:36:43 PM EST
NT


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Have you ever been spurned by a man? by Arbeit Macht Pie (2.00 / 0) #42 Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 03:22:45 PM EST
Not asking this voyeuristically, just want to understand why you're so sensitive about it.

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sensitive by StackyMcRacky (4.00 / 1) #45 Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 05:55:16 PM EST
because i've been flooded with too much sexist BS the last few weeks, and i snapped.  i haven't been feeling so stable today.

but yeah, in my previous marriage, my ex always found reasons/excuses to never have sex.

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That's because he was fucked up. by vorheesleatherface (2.00 / 0) #46 Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 06:13:21 PM EST
You're a mega-hottie and he's a basket case. Probably not the norm for most people. I can't imagine ever holding out on my wife, never done that to anyone, never would. Too horney. Must. Put. Penis. In. woman. I think most sane men are. That being said, I'd have to guess that any relatively sane man who is being faithful to his wife wants to get some constantly, unless she's recently been horribly disfigured.

"Of course. I goatse my MP once a week!" - Hulver
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Oh come on. by vorheesleatherface (2.00 / 0) #48 Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 06:51:16 PM EST
That's like saying that my wife always forgets to put the toilet seat back up when she's done. No one would ever believe I had her trained like that.

"Of course. I goatse my MP once a week!" - Hulver
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One other thing by Bob Abooey (4.00 / 3) #32 Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 12:59:12 PM EST
To be fair we do need more info.

Have you gained a hundred pounds over the past year? Changed your bathing habits? Taken a lower paying job? Etc???

That is to say - there could be some obvious reasons here that are getting overlooked.

Warmest regards,
--Your best pal Bob

How's my blogging: Call me at 209.867.5309 to complain.


Yes, there have been some changes. by Arbeit Macht Pie (4.00 / 1) #36 Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 03:09:25 PM EST
Hadn't considered it previously, but they could have been show-stoppers.

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Of course she knows. by vorheesleatherface (4.00 / 3) #34 Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 01:52:52 PM EST
but either A)She thinks it should be obvious to you and wants you to figure it out on your own because women are stubborn like that, B)She's banging the mailman, or C)She wants to deal with it on her own and doesn't want to bother you with what is worying her.

You'll never know unless you agressively persue answers, which may lead to fighting, but in the end you'll hopefully get some answers. Good luck.

"Of course. I goatse my MP once a week!" - Hulver


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