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By ucblockhead (Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 11:59:56 AM EST) (all tags)


The FoML was on his first sleepover and my wife and I decided to take advantage by going of to a romantic getaway. The Claremont in Berkeley is the local premiere romantic resort, so we decided to go there. We were hoping for something like the Hotel Del Coronado, where we got married. It certainly didn't live up to that reputation by any metric, least of all, fair treatment.

We reserved a "newly renovated large bay view room with a king size bed". We arrive right at checkin and after what seemes to be an unusual amount of clicka-clicka-clicka by the manager, we got keys for room 231. We get to the room and discover that it is a) not newly renovated (ungrounded plugs are the givaway), b) faces a hill side beyond a parking lot and a dumpster, c) is barely large enough to accommodate the queen sized bed.

So we go back down. Now there's a huge line. We are a bit disturbed to see that the guy who had been checking in next to us is still there, and seems to be having some sort of animated discussion with the clerk. After fifteen minutes, as we approach the same manager who originally checked us in, a woman who had just finished in front of us whispers "good luck" as we pass.

The conversation is simple:

Me: "We seem to have gotten the wrong room. We reserved a newly renovated large bay view room with a king size bed. Room 231 was none of these."

Manager: [looks confused]

Me: "See, here" [hands manager a printout showing the reservation]

manager: "Oh, I'm sorry sir! Let me see what I can do." [goes clicka-clicka for another ten minutes]

He gives us room 200. He is just about to toss our printed reservation in the trash when my wife demands it back.

Room 200 turns out to be just across the hallway from room 231. It also turns out to be identical to room 231 with the exception of the view, which does, actually, face the bay. It is half obstructed by part of the building, but it does, at least, face the right way.

Now it is important to realize that no one has said anything about the fact that they are charging us for a room that is substantially better than we are in.

I call the front desk. The first time, the phone rings for 10-15 rings before I give up. The second time, it only rings seven times before the manager answers.

Me: "This is still not right. It has a bay view, but it's not newly renovated, large, nor does it have a king size bed. I just want to find out what the cost of this room is."

Manager: "I'm sorry sir, I can see that you reserved one of our "distinctive" rooms and we were unable to put you in one." [more rambling explanation follows]

Me: "I understand that. I just want to know what this room rents for.

Manager: "Ok, I'll tell you what, I'll just give you your first night free."

This is a bit unexpected.

Me: "Er...we're only staying one night."

Manager: "There ya go!" [hangs up].

This obviously did not leave me with lots of confidence, but after spending an hour of our "romantic getaway" at this, we decided to enjoy ourselves for a while. And we do.

The next morning, the bill is slipped under the door. And, as expected, we are being charged the full rate for a large, renovated room with a king sized bed.

After another call, I get them to knock the price down to that of the actual room. Obviously I checked at the desk to get a physical piece of paper confirming this.

What is so irksome is not the overbooking...that's annoying, but I could have dealt with that. What is irksome is the blatant lying and fraud. It's one thing to screw up, and overbook. An apology and a discount takes care of that. But trying to out-and-out rip me off is quite another. It crosses the line from "possibly annoying the customer" to "send customer to Better Business Bureau".

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the correct way to handle that by aphrael (4.00 / 2) #1 Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 12:05:47 PM EST
is to notice the problem when originally checking you in, apologize, offer you a price reduction, and give you a written document demonstrating it.

lame.


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Yes, obviously by ucblockhead (4.00 / 1) #2 Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 12:11:00 PM EST
I mentioned the Hotel Del Coronado up there...we got married there and after the wedding, the room wasn't quite ready for check-in. The staff there responded by immediately bumping us up to a better room, at no cost to us.

But what is irksome is that it is patently obvious that the manager *did* notice the problem...he just tried to hide it.
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not just one manager by theantix (4.00 / 1) #6 Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 01:30:45 PM EST
What you're describing sounds to me like a pattern of fraud, since several different people tried to pass off a substandard room at full price.  Were it to happen once, it could be blamed on a shady manager trying to bump up his numbers.  But with repeated attempted by different employees to try to do the same thing shows that it's company policy which is at fault there.  BBB sounds like a good choice.
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Mostly just one guy by ucblockhead (4.00 / 2) #8 Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 03:12:19 PM EST
I talked to only one guy the first night...I am pretty sure he made a point of taking my call when I called down from the room.

The next day, the woman gave me the discount pretty quick. But yet, I wouldn't be surprised if there's a pattern, given what I was overhearing from other people.
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Jihad! Jihad! by CheeseburgerBrown (4.00 / 1) #3 Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 12:32:08 PM EST
Dirkka-dirkka-dirkka.


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Beware by ucblockhead (4.00 / 3) #4 Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 01:03:51 PM EST
...the scorn of a dork with google-fu.
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Thanks for yet another Saudi Arabia flashback. by greyrat (2.00 / 0) #7 Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 02:08:22 PM EST
'Dirkka-dirkka-dirkka' was how we'd make fun of the annoying ones behind their backs -- and sometimes to their faces.

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indeed that is some bad (fraudulent even!) service by R343L (2.00 / 0) #5 Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 01:10:14 PM EST
I like how they wanted to take the piece of paper .. like you couldn't go print out another copy or something. :)

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Consumerist, dude. by blixco (4.00 / 1) #9 Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 03:38:59 PM EST
Consumerist.  Not that I don't want you to write about it here.  I want you to write about it to them as well.  They seem to be able to give customer service managers serious nightmares.
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I certainly may (nt) by ucblockhead (2.00 / 0) #11 Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 04:12:58 PM EST

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I'd call them again by theboz (2.00 / 0) #10 Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 03:47:56 PM EST
Ask to speak to a higher manager than who you spoke with in the past. You did make one mistake though, in that you didn't get the free night in writing. The manager told you that he was giving you one night free, so you should be able to find out who that manager was. If worst goes to worst, if you live not too far from there I would suggest offering to drive there to meet with the manager that screwed you over and his manager at the same time. It's really difficult for people to lie to your face, but if they do, they need an ass-kicking.
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I don't want to meet people by ucblockhead (4.00 / 1) #12 Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 04:17:27 PM EST
I have no interest in ever going back, and so don't really expect them to "make it right" by more free nights or such bullshit. I also have no interest in wasting that time. My current plan is a letter to the BBB cc'd to the manager and possibly the consumerist.

In terms of what I think I was owed...I eventually got it. I paid for the room I got, not the one I didn't. It's not the money, it's the lying, and I just want it known.
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Cheaters have to be punished by codemonkey uk (2.00 / 0) #14 Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 04:29:32 AM EST
They cheated you. They did a bait and switch. They profited from cheating (a sale the would not have otherwise got). You lost out (lesser quality service than expected).

They have to be punished.

Not for revenge, but to maintain/establish a pattern of behaviour where cheating is punished, or cheaters prosper, and society collapses.

You want to live in a fair and equitable world? You have to make sure that cheats don't prosper.

Basic evolutionary science.

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I agree by ucblockhead (2.00 / 0) #15 Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 10:22:48 AM EST
But I think an accurate portrayal of the events in question linked to from a slashdot signature on an account that has +5, funny comments should combine with Googlebot to create a more fitting punishment.
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Ah I see by codemonkey uk (4.00 / 2) #16 Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 12:44:53 PM EST
So really, you just want people to know that The Claremont, in Berkeley CA near San Francisco provides poor service, and what's more, is staffed by liars.

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damn the oppressors by alprazolam (2.00 / 0) #13 Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 12:11:28 AM EST
free ucblockhead!



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