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By LodeRunner (Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 05:34:35 PM EST) highly illogical (all tags)
College changes people in many ways, but one of its side effects on me was a bit unexpected.


In a discussion on any topic, whenever something logically equivalent to the following happens:

Me: A implies B.
Someone: Ahhh, then you're telling C implies D!

...and there are no other premises connecting these two, I can't help from going "grrrrr!!!!" inside. I always have to step back, take a deep breath and count to five in my head (figuratively of course, but you know what I mean).

Maybe I should think that's actually a good thing, since now I have an instant indicator that from that point on my interlocutor should not be taken seriously.

And to think that the event that prompted this post was a conversation about football/soccer...

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Heathen! by ReallyEvilCanine (4.00 / 3) #1 Tue Jul 17, 2007 at 01:36:03 AM EST
Clearly you didn't attend a True Christian Institute of Learning. I understand a degree from one of those places opens more doors than a certificate from DeVry.

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So when you say by greyrat (4.00 / 1) #2 Tue Jul 17, 2007 at 02:41:48 AM EST
"College changes people in many ways"

You're really saying that you don't believe in the FSM. Right?

It's not what I was thinking about in particular, by LodeRunner (2.00 / 0) #5 Tue Jul 17, 2007 at 07:52:39 AM EST
but yes, that too.


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dude, by garlic (4.00 / 1) #7 Tue Jul 17, 2007 at 05:26:35 PM EST
A CS degree without at least mentioning the existance of the Finite State Machines is not a good education.


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Didn't they teach you that one? by mrgoat (4.00 / 2) #3 Tue Jul 17, 2007 at 06:33:00 AM EST
A=>B therefore C=>D (when neither A nor B have anything to do with C or D) is known as Modus Bullshitens. It's used most often in proofs by handwaving, a well-known logic form most often used in the field of Rhetoricolology...ism.

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People aren't rational by yicky yacky (4.00 / 1) #4 Tue Jul 17, 2007 at 07:32:38 AM EST

Make your peace with that now. It'll only get worse. You had to learn how to reason; there are millions of people more educated than you who could find something which they know that you don't. Same thing.

A few months ago, I got so irritated with the fallacies asserted portentously in a football commentary that I decided to make a note of every one which occurred during the following week's match and write it up afterwards. I gave up at seventeen minutes. There were far too many and life's too short.


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Vacuity abhors a vacuum.
I'm making progress by LodeRunner (2.00 / 0) #6 Tue Jul 17, 2007 at 08:10:34 AM EST
A few years ago I would go crazy and try to show the other person the invalidity of their argument. What a fool. Whenever you say "ok, even if what you're claiming is true, it just can't be for the reasons you're saying!" all that people hear is "You're wrong!".

I think I've always been a bit like that; friends often tell me I'm a  hard person to convince in an argument, but once they make a point that "made sense", I never felt embarassed to just change my mind instantly (admittedly, this drives some people nuts, when they're having fun with the argument and I just go "Ah, I see now. You're right." and they're all "wait-wait-wait")

Studying logic just made the patterns painfully clear. When people bullshit in an argument with a false statement, it's just a matter of "okay, that's not true", but fallacies feel like cheating. I don't really think they're believing what they're saying, they're just trying to turn the conversation into a game which they're cheating to win. And that's just low.


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insightful! by codemonkey uk (4.00 / 1) #8 Wed Jul 18, 2007 at 12:28:18 AM EST
There is a guy who I work with, who has a Doctorate in Robotics, and almost everything he posts on the company forums is swimming in a sea fallacies. It drives me mental, and since he is a Linux advocate, every time I point out the insanity of his arguments he turns it into some kind of adhomium attack by making out I'm a Microsoft fanboy.

--- Thad ---
Almost as Smart As you.
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