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By Kellnerin (Fri Feb 09, 2007 at 11:59:30 PM EST) (all tags)
So a couple weeks ago, my sister calls me up and asks, "Do you want to go see one of the greatest flamenco guitarists of aaaaall time?"

"Sure," I said.

The concert was last night; the Orpheum was freezing but packed. The right crowd, too, that was doing palmas in sync with the music at one point. The whole thing was so insanely amazing, I can't even describe it. So this diary is not about that at all.



A COUPLE WEEKS BACK at the Boston-Toronto Husi dinner, aethucyn and I had a conversation during which it came up that I managed to grow up without going through a Beatles phase, substituting a Led Zeppelin phase instead.

"I know, and that's OK," said aeth in response to my confession.

It's good to have friends who understand you.

Anyway, I dug out the Led Zep the other day when searching for music to read/edit by. I know some people can't read, or write, or do other focused word-related tasks while listening to music with lyrics, but for me a familiar soundtrack is better than silence and miles better than other kinds of background noise. In some ways it's like the stationary equivalent of thinking while moving for me. It's a net that catches my attention when it tries to wander, so I don't go all Nicolas-Cage-in-Adaptation -- my mind just bounces from what I should be thinking about to the music, and back.

What I re-realized this week: Led Zeppelin is still good, and I'm way not cool enough to be in one of johnny's books.


MEANWHILE, MOONVINE SHARED a paean to the word lugubrious and I was separately reminded of the saying about this diary's title being the most beautiful phrase in the English language.

Which brings me to Kate Atkinson, and this excerpt from One Good Turn:

He checked his watch. Four o'clock—teatime on Planet Julia. He remembered a warm, lazy afternoon they had spent together last summer in the Orchard Tea Rooms at Grantchester, the two of them stretched out on deck chairs beneath the trees, replete with afternoon tea. They had been on a brief, rather uncomfortable visit to Julia's sister, who still lived in Cambridge and who had declined to join them on their "jaunt." Julia's word. Julia's vocabulary was "chock-full" of strangely archaic words—"spiffing," "crumbs," "jeepers"—that seemed to have originated in some prewar girls' annual rather than in Julia's own life. For Jackson, words were functional, they helped you to get to places and explain things. For Julia, they were freighted with inexplicable emotion.

"Afternoon tea" itself, of course, was one of Julia's all-time favorite phrases ("Good enough words on their own, but together, perfect"). "Afternoon tea" usually trailed a few excessive adjectives in its wake—"scrumptious," "yummy," "heavenly."

"Warm bakery basket" was another of her favorites, as were (mysteriously) "Autumn equinox" and "lamp black." Certain words, she said, made her toes "positively curl with happiness"—"rum," "vulgar," "blanchisserie," "hazard," "perfidious," "treasure," "divertimenti." Certain scraps and lines of poetry—"Of his bones are coral made" and "They flee from me that sometime did me seek"—sent her into sentimental rapture.

I could probably come up with a similar list (Autumn equinox is a good one -- put that on my list), but if pressed to pick just one word -- and I've noted often that I'm incapable of picking favorites -- I think it would have to be "profusely." There are, in my experience, very few things one can really be said to do profusely. Bleed, mainly, in the strict etymological sense of pouring forth. Or apologize. Not generally positive things -- I suppose you can have a profusion of flowers, but I don't think that flowers, themselves, can do anything profusely.

I have this clear memory, though, of a paperback of Man and his Symbols I read for class in high school, and the simple note on the cover: "Profusely illustrated." Strangely, I have no recollection of the illustrations themselves -- absolutely none -- but the phrase itself, "profusely illustrated," settled itself somewhere deep in my psyche and, from time to time, the adverb still rises to the surface, but does not quite overflow.

I cannot pick one perfect line of poetry, sorry. This is the way the diary ends, not with a bang but a whimper.

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cellar door, je l'adore by Bartleby (4.00 / 1) #1 Sat Feb 10, 2007 at 06:44:34 AM EST
"Lugubrious" always reminds me of "lubricant", I can't help it. Might be a function of speaking English as a foreign language: The connection between a words physical side and its meaning, between signifiant and signifié, isn't as tight as it is ― in my own experience anyway ― in one's own language, which gives additional weight to sound or spelling.

In a diary long ago I said my favourite English word was "serendipity". Right now, I don't have any favourite.

I don't know if should mention this, but one of my favourite words in all languages has been for a long time Russian "dopotopnost'", the abstract noun to go along with the adjective "dopotopnyj". IIRC, you're not a fan of the English equivalent of the latter, which is "antediluvian".

The familiar soundtrack method works for me, too, provided the music is so familiar I don't really notice it anymore, and simple enough that it doesn't seduce me to actually listen.



damn by Kellnerin (2.00 / 0) #6 Sat Feb 10, 2007 at 12:09:11 PM EST
Forgot to add "lugubrious" to the poll. I think that it can only be confused or associated with "lubricant" in print, though, not in speech. I'll leave it to someone with a better working knowledge of IPA to deconstruct that.

"Serendipity" isn't a bad word, though I've personally encountered it being used as the name for relatively unserendipitous businesses, so that its meaning has been diluted for me. Wouldn't it make a nice girl's name, though, in the vein of "Charity" and "Prudence" and so on?

My father's favorite German word (I don't have one, except maybe "Verschlimmbesserung") is "schmeckt"; a German friend of his proposed "Schmetterling." Neither of these really do it for me, and I wonder if that's due to being exposed to (proportionally) more Yiddish in my life than either of them, which has eroded my sense of the loveliness of the "schm" sound.

I have no actual objection to the word "antediluvian," in fact, it's a wonderful word on its own: phonetically, orthographically, and conceptually. I object to its being casually bandied about. That being said, I'm intrigued by the existence of a noun form of that concept, in any language. "A thing that dates from before the flood"?

Re: the soundtrack -- exactly.

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"If a tree is impetuous in the woods, does it make a sound?" -- aethucyn
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dopotopnost'/Vorsintflutlichkeit by Bartleby (4.00 / 1) #11 Sat Feb 10, 2007 at 02:48:19 PM EST
Both words (Russian/German) mean "the fact of being antediluvian", f.ex. "Dopotopnost' ego vzglyadov menya porazhaet"/"Die Vorsintflutlichkeit seiner Anschauungen erstaunt mich" - well, let's get creative, say, the "antediluvianity of his views (/The fact that his views are so antediluvian) baffles me". (Disclaimer: Both examples are made up, the first one by a none-native speaker, as is the English translation, so handle with care.)

The German word is fairly common; I don't know about the Russian. I got it from a pre-WW I novel that...

Wait, there's actually enough material for a whole diary here. I'll try to do that tomorrow. I'm rather tired after a day and a night and a day without sleep, I'm afraid I won't be able to stay sufficiently coherent for much longer. Still wanted to get this response posted, though.

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I hope you're able to sleep... by toxicfur (4.00 / 1) #12 Sat Feb 10, 2007 at 08:09:23 PM EST
and that you're awake for good reasons, rather than insomnia. I've had enough of the latter recently to really appreciate how wonderful a good night's sleep is.
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inspiritation: the effect of irritating someone so much it inspires them to do something about it. --BuggEye
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I agree with toxicfur by Kellnerin (2.00 / 0) #13 Sat Feb 10, 2007 at 11:03:39 PM EST
I hope you got some sleep, because it's good to have a functioning brain.

Thanks for the response, though. So it's "antediluvian-ness." I'd have gotten it from the German suffix. Funny that we don't seem to need that formulation in English. It seems to me (that is, as a completely unscientific, general impression) that "antediluvian" is as often applied to concrete things (paintings in Lascaux, for instance) as abstract ones (ideas, opinions, etc. -- those things are "antiquated" and "outmoded" and so on) so that the adjective is more useful. But, hmm. The other examples I gave don't tend to be used in the noun form, either. It's awkward to talk about the "antiquity" of someone's views. Maybe we anglophones are just not as thoughtful in this way.

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"If a tree is impetuous in the woods, does it make a sound?" -- aethucyn
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Never loved the Beatles. by Christopher Robin was Murdered (4.00 / 1) #2 Sat Feb 10, 2007 at 08:25:05 AM EST
I never had a Beatles phase either. Stay strong sister, you are not alone.



Nor I. by ana (4.00 / 1) #3 Sat Feb 10, 2007 at 08:32:37 AM EST
My sister and her friends were just old enough to be in the target demographic, so I got to hear endless replays of Hey, Jude, and thought it boring and repetitive. It has a certain ohrworm capability, though, to this day.

Regular, or decaf abomination? --Kellnerin
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Judging Beatles by "Hey Jude" by johnny (4.00 / 1) #5 Sat Feb 10, 2007 at 09:23:51 AM EST
is like judging the Stones by "Angie" or Mozart by "Ein klein nachtmusic (sp)."
... this is dreamworld after all... it isn't? Shit.
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it's not that they didn't do cool stuff ... by Kellnerin (2.00 / 0) #7 Sat Feb 10, 2007 at 12:19:30 PM EST
It was more a reaction against the school of thought that every! -- thing! -- they did! -- was pure! -- timeless! -- genius! -- which, I think, is not true.

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"If a tree is impetuous in the woods, does it make a sound?" -- aethucyn
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No Beatles, no Led Zep, no Pink Floyd by Dr H0ffm4n (4.00 / 1) #16 Sun Feb 11, 2007 at 08:30:02 AM EST
No Bob Marley, no John Lennon. I have been an inverted snob for as long as I can remember. I liked Elvis.

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hear hear by 256 (4.00 / 1) #17 Sun Feb 11, 2007 at 01:01:52 PM EST
rolling stones and the eagles.

can't say i've ever really enjoyed a song by the beatles.
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I don't think anyone's ever really died from smoking. --ni
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half right by johnny (4.00 / 1) #4 Sat Feb 10, 2007 at 08:56:04 AM EST
Led Zeppelin is still good, and I'm way not cool enough to be in one of johnny's books.

Now the first assertion is true, just like it says in that story in The Onion about the 18-year-old who  discovered Led Zeppelin and now is driving his friends nuts because he cannot talk about anything else.

The second assertion is so absurd as to qualify as a troll. Now, the very notion Kellnerin trolling is funny ipso facto. So good on you, sweetheart, and stay tuned for my next book. Tell me what you would like to be seen wearing ( & get ready for your close-up). (Don't tell no one, but my next book going to be called . . . no, I can't say it publicly because it's so damn good I don't want to jinx it.)

By the way, is there anybody who comes up with better titles for novels than Joyce Carol Oates?  "Because it is bitter, and because it is my heart"?  WTF!?!! Can one imagine a better title than that? No, nay, it cannot be done! Case closed!

Also by the way, I like your edits and will incorporate them and ask Gary to post Chapter Three forthwith.

NOW THEN AGAIN, somebody someplace, I wish I could remember who, said that his (her?) favorite English word was "lap", a concept that is not embodied in any other language that that person (or I) knew of.

Student of the language that I am, I guess I would have to say that my favorite word is fo-shizzle.

I am still in my Beatles phase.

I could say more but that would make you yell at me for not getting those edits done, so bye-bye, ta-ta for now, see ya later, Alligator!

P.S. Jinx is also a very good word, isn't it?
... this is dreamworld after all... it isn't? Shit.


jinx by Kellnerin (2.00 / 0) #8 Sat Feb 10, 2007 at 12:36:27 PM EST
Yes, add that to the list. Can English really be the only language that has a concept of a lap, the part of the body that goes away when you stand up? Do children all over the world grow up without ever hearing that riddle? Ai!

Your next book: The Copyeditor and the Scientist? I cannot come up with titles either. Or, at best I have maybe a .500 record. In the all-time best title sweepstakes I cannot challenge your entry, but allow me to go on a tangent about Janet Fitch's latest novel: Paint It Black. Now immediately upon hearing the title you know what epigraph an author might be tempted to give such a book. And a split second later your instinct would tell you not to do that, right? But no, in fact, the epigraph is exactly the two lines from the exact song by the exact band you are thinking of. Way to undercut any possible coolness of your title, babe!

So Chapter 3 is in the can (for some definition of ...) -- now where is Chapter 4?

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"If a tree is impetuous in the woods, does it make a sound?" -- aethucyn
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WIPO: girthful thermos by Greener (4.00 / 1) #9 Sat Feb 10, 2007 at 01:21:34 PM EST
A thermos with girth.



Autumn equinox is indeed a good one by BlueOregon (4.00 / 1) #10 Sat Feb 10, 2007 at 01:38:56 PM EST

Beatles: I didn't grow up with the Beatles, being too young, obviously, to have experienced them when they existed as a band, and they just weren't played around the house, even though I knew who they were and my mom had several LPs or such in a big collection of other albums. It's a sign, in a way, that my parents were once young.

When I lived in Gifhorn for a year one of the first days of school J.P. and her friends dragged me along to "Das Cafe," the local coffeeshop hangout of/for high-school-aged kids in town, where I promptly lost a game of checkers and where I learned that my German peers had just entered their Beatles phase. Watching/listening to J & K sing along to Can't Buy Me Love and She Loves You was endearingly cute, but by the end of the month I was entering my own music phase: AC/DC.

Word: It's hard to say whether or not I have a favorite word, at least a favorite based on sound or such. I had to pick the Donnie Darko answer for the poll, I suppose. I think almost anything in Hungarian deserves a shot at the title -- the consistent word-initial stress such that the first syllable is stressed and all the other are pretty much even ... just beautiful, I find. Köszönöm is a good example ... and watching the delightful Kontroll will provide many others.

Orpheum: We, too, have an Orpheum, as you've either learned from me here or from ana at some point. Alas, that particular guitarist will not be playing here; the closet he'll get is Chicago this coming Tuesday before returning to Europe.

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"The german quoting guy is a little bit out there." (fleece)


timing and stuff by Kellnerin (2.00 / 0) #14 Sat Feb 10, 2007 at 11:32:36 PM EST
It's true that I wasn't able to experience the Beatles while they were active, and I sort of envy those who lived through the time when it was fresh, and new, and oh my god can you believe this ... my parents also had a couple of LPs -- inexplicably, not the "big" ones. They were not played much either, as I recall, if at all.

However, the same is true of Led Zeppelin, who did not exist as a going concern by the time I became acquainted with their music. But it was my sister -- my older, much cooler, sister, whom I wanted to be when I grew up -- who introduced me to them. And there was a local "Classic Rock" station that played Led Zeppelin in heavy rotation at the time. (Actually, there's another station now whose signature thing is three-in-a-row "Rock Blocks," and Zeppelin obviously comes up a lot in that context. I remember once they did a "Zepplica" weekend where everything they played was either Zeppelin or Metallica.)

What means "Köszönöm," or must I do my Netflix homework?

When I was in sixth grade, we had a class project where we each had to make a puppet dressed in the traditional garb of a country, grasping a wooden skewer with that country's flag. Then we had to march in a pseudoparade and say "In <country> they say <word for 'peace' in that country's language>." I still remember that "In Hungary they say béke," but I'm pretty sure I never learned the proper pronunciation.

Shame that Paco isn't headed near you. He played both solo and with various combinations of his six-piece band. At one point, it was him, his percussionist (mainly cajón, but also cymbals and drums he hit almost exclusively with his hands) and a five-part clapping chorus. Oh, and there was also a guy who played harmonica. Flamenco harmonica -- something I had never heard of, let alone heard, before. And flamenco electric bass, which was also very weird.

Upon previewing, I realize I should probably have written a whole new diary entry here, or maybe that's what I've already done.

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"If a tree is impetuous in the woods, does it make a sound?" -- aethucyn
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whole new diary by BlueOregon (4.00 / 1) #15 Sat Feb 10, 2007 at 11:50:35 PM EST

Occasionally I think, if I can't think of anything for the next boiary, I'll just pillage my comments ... reuse, that sort of thing. It's not plagiarism if you steal from yourself. Or something.

The Beatles: when I was in high school I don't recall anyone having a Beatles 'phase,' whereas in college many people did. They became one of the "cool" old groups to collect, listen to with the person you were trying to seduce, etc. On the other hand in high school there were groups/cliques for which Zep was still an in-thing to listen to, perhaps a post-stoner thing or such. Perhaps that's why my German peers being Beatles fans stuck with me; I didn't know people my age who liked them. It's not that I did not like them, but rather that they actively rather than passively liked the music.

Köszönöm -- it basically means thank you, it's often used in the expression köszönöm szépen, thank you very much.

The movie Kontroll -- mentioned in a husiary by someone else last week -- takes place in the Budapest subway system. It is an allegory in a way, but can and should be read literally, as well. Well done. Plus, weird girl in a bear suit.

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"The german quoting guy is a little bit out there." (fleece)
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favorite word by 256 (4.00 / 1) #18 Sun Feb 11, 2007 at 01:06:21 PM EST
i've always been a pretty big fan of "coy", though i also love the way "kinetic" feels. the only problem with "kinetic" is that "connecticut" is better, and that's not a real word.
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I don't think anyone's ever really died from smoking. --ni


how is it not a real word? by Kellnerin (2.00 / 0) #19 Sun Feb 11, 2007 at 04:17:07 PM EST
The name "Connecticut" originates from the Mohegan Indian word "Quinnehtukqut" meaning "Long River Place" or "Beside the Long Tidal River."

Connecticut also has the coolest state quarter, if you ask me (I know, you didn't).

"Kinetic" is a good one, though. Also, unrelatedly, BlueOregon just reminded me that "and a fedora" is a phrase that should go on my list.

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"If a tree is impetuous in the woods, does it make a sound?" -- aethucyn
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because the mohegans spoke algonquin by 256 (4.00 / 1) #21 Sun Feb 11, 2007 at 05:05:51 PM EST
which isn't english and therefore is not comprised of real words.

as per your other point, i would posit that new hampshire has the coolest state quarter for much the same reason that everything from new hampshire is cooler than everything from every other state: it says "live free or die" on it.
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I don't think anyone's ever really died from smoking. --ni
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Not only that... by ana (4.00 / 1) #22 Sun Feb 11, 2007 at 05:09:37 PM EST
but "the old man of the mountain," which is depicted on the NH quarter, fell down since the quarter came out.

Regular, or decaf abomination? --Kellnerin
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je m'excuse by Kellnerin (2.00 / 0) #25 Sun Feb 11, 2007 at 08:23:25 PM EST
I didn't know English wasn't allowed to borrow/adopt words from other languages.

I also have to agree with ana that -- as pithy-cool as the motto* is -- the Old Man is/was one of the coolest things about New Hampshire.

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* It sure beats Ense petit placidam sub libertate quietem, though I personally love it precisely for its clunkiness.

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"If a tree is impetuous in the woods, does it make a sound?" -- aethucyn
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that's not it at all by 256 (4.00 / 1) #26 Sun Feb 11, 2007 at 10:04:05 PM EST
i'm all for adding words to the English language, but i'm dubious about any actual instance of "connecticut" being used in english discourse as anything but a place name.
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I don't think anyone's ever really died from smoking. --ni
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I guess by Kellnerin (2.00 / 0) #27 Sun Feb 11, 2007 at 11:47:22 PM EST
that I would count place names as words. And they would certainly count in a discussion of words-as-sounds. But if place names weren't words, then by that token "America" isn't a word. <cue "why do you hate ..." whereby I either win, or lose, I'm not sure>

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"If a tree is impetuous in the woods, does it make a sound?" -- aethucyn
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why do i hate america? by 256 (4.00 / 1) #28 Mon Feb 12, 2007 at 01:27:18 AM EST
because you killed tecumseh.
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I don't think anyone's ever really died from smoking. --ni
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and a fedora? by 256 (4.00 / 1) #23 Sun Feb 11, 2007 at 05:12:18 PM EST
faith and begorrah!
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I don't think anyone's ever really died from smoking. --ni
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For the sheer sound by ana (4.00 / 1) #20 Sun Feb 11, 2007 at 04:26:23 PM EST
of the words, it's hard to beat placenta and salmonella. I think someone else has already pointed out that, for judging words by the sound of them, it's essential to have a referee who has absolutely no exposure to the language, or they may be prejudiced by the meanings of the words.

Regular, or decaf abomination? --Kellnerin


point by Kellnerin (2.00 / 0) #24 Sun Feb 11, 2007 at 08:17:17 PM EST
although, I would submit that what makes a perfect word as opposed to a perfect sound, is the perfect matching of signifier and signified.

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"If a tree is impetuous in the woods, does it make a sound?" -- aethucyn
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