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By blixco (Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 10:12:59 AM EST) (all tags)
There's a new rule that allows meat producers to place a Grass Fed label on their beef, but there's no rules about what that means or how to enforce it.


http://americangrassfed.org/pdf/articles/Grass-Fed%20Rule%20Angers%20Farmers.pdf

The email from the American Grassfed Association took jabs at the Bush presidency...most ranchers are Independents / Libertarians during Republican rule, and Republican during Democratic rule...but the problem is the USDA and the business interests that it must support, and that's been going on since the USDA was invented.

In order to stay profitable in today's Wal-Mart world, North American meat producers have to constantly cut cost while responding to the whim of the consumer.  The USDA, in turn, has to respond to an increase in quantity and workload, but is perpetually underfunded, undermanned, and at the mercy of the lobbies against it.

This leads to a mostly self-regulating food industry, which has led to a lot of food recalls, unnecessary sickness and death, and a complete change in the quality of meat in our diet.  Most beef these days is manufactured.  The cow is raised from stock that responds well to growth hormones and is resistant to various stockyard ills.  It is forced to eat feed that it cannot properly digest without additional chemistry.  The whole process of turning the carcass into meat is unregulated; killing floors are notorious for a reason, and one USDA inspector for every 800 floors means odds are good that product will be moved at the cost of quality and human life.

The European and Japanese systems inspect roughly one of every four carcasses.  They do this at the floor, at the point of shipment, or at the point of reception.  As meat crosses borders it is susceptible to random spot-check inspections.  On the whole, the meat on a table in the UK or Germany has a 1 in 4 chance of having been inspected if it is locally produced, and a 1 in 3 chance if it is foreign.

In North America, roughly 30 million cattle are slaughtered yearly.  Of that number, 30,000 to 40,000 are inspected.  That means that the likelihood that meat on the table in New York or Montana or Calgary has been inspected is less than a tenth of a percent. The various trade agreements between the US and it's neighbors have weighed heavily in favor of US food being exported and imported without much additional restriction.

One way to combat this as a consumer has been to eat meat that is locally produced from grass fed animals.  This produces meat that is low in cholesterol, high in omega-3, low fat, dense, and tasty.  It produces chicken that is more like wild game in flavor and texture.  Eggs that have high levels of omega-3.  Pork that is lean, high in protein and low in overall fat density.

The catch is, it's tough to find.  The ranches that produce these animals do so through a method perfected by Joel Salatin.  Very intensive management is required; the rancher works his animals and his field for hours in a complex balance that manages the grass.  The work is hard and the payoff is break-even for years.  The goal of these ranchers is to grow grass, maintain it, and never have to artificially support it.  Joel's Polyface ranch has the method down pat, but even his ranch isn't large enough to support the demand.

The rest of the meat industry has read "The Omnivore's Dilemma," saw the demand for grass fed, and pushed a regulation through the system that will allow them to label their meat Grass Fed, even if the cow never touches a blade of grass.

The American Grassfed Association is up in arms, and for good reason.  Their counterparts in the EU are watching as well, since what happens in the north American market tends to happen there.

The public wants safe, healthy, good food that doesn't carry life threatening risks.  The industry built around creating food wants profit, and will try their best to ensure their success.  They do so largely unregulated.

When you go to the store, you have a choice.  You can either accept the potentially poisonous results of a self-regulated market, or you can spend your money locally, with producers interested not just in profit but in land, health, and humanity.

When we're not under the rule of law, our own responsibility is our only concern.  Some folks don't seem to have any responsibility or concern.  They do what they do based on their own self interest at the detriment of all else.  There is nothing more pathetic than a human who shuns the preservation of community in favor of short term self-interest.  Conversely, serving only the good of the community doesn't lead to much satisfaction (unless you get off sacrificing your life for the good of the community).  The balance, then, is a gray area.  Our ability to analyze and determine a path through this gray area has led us to today's market of commodity voices, cheap rhetoric, and a group will made impotent by fragmented opinion masked as fact.

We buy just about anything.

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As long as they don't eat (too many) brains. by greyrat (4.00 / 2) #1 Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 10:17:59 AM EST
I'll eat anything that doesn't eat me first.
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Careful. by blixco (4.00 / 1) #2 Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 10:21:04 AM EST
There are things worse than prions out there.
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Can you spell "fugu"? by greyrat (4.00 / 2) #7 Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 10:46:29 AM EST
I used to be able to, but now I can't move my fingers.
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FUGU: by blixco (4.00 / 1) #8 Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 10:47:29 AM EST
Isn't that a clothing label from Japan?
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I think it's by yicky yacky (2.00 / 0) #14 Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 11:33:59 AM EST

that venomous blowfish sushi that'll kill you if it's not prepared just-so. The poison numbs and tingles the mouth and digestion tract when it's done properly.


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(uh, yeah) by blixco (4.00 / 4) #15 Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 11:38:19 AM EST
I, uh, knew that.

I was making a joke on the FUBU clothing label.

And now that I have had to explain it, I have failed.
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That's OK by yicky yacky (4.00 / 1) #17 Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 11:42:34 AM EST

I was being intentionally Aspergic ;)

Someone told me you can drink Mamba -- or is it Cobra? (probably best to check ...) -- venom with no ill effects as it can't pass through the digestive lining. The catch is that, if you've any ulcers or internal lacerations ...

I won't be trying that, either.


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So you watch CSI too ? by sasquatchan (4.00 / 2) #19 Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 11:54:04 AM EST
not a killer, nor a car salesman.

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Errr. No, actually. by yicky yacky (2.00 / 0) #21 Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 12:06:07 PM EST

IIRC, I was told by a vet (a relative), but I may have read it somewhere. I'm not surprised they used it, though.


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That's OK, just put on your FCUK by sasquatchan (4.00 / 2) #20 Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 11:54:06 AM EST
branded logo, and you'll fit in with those wacky brits and their fashion designs.

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With an attitude like this.... by TPD (4.00 / 1) #30 Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 05:56:03 PM EST
I'm sure you will soon be getting the ahem attention you so crave.

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Wha -- Oh! The double entendre! by greyrat (2.00 / 0) #31 Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 06:17:16 PM EST
Well. I wasn't really going for that. But thanks for the kind thought anyway.
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you forgot to post by StackyMcRacky (4.00 / 2) #3 Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 10:28:16 AM EST
who we, the consumer, can complain to.  while voting with your dollars does mean something, a pile of well-written letters can help.

for xmas, clock and i are getting a freezer again (this time, one with a better warranty!!).  we're going to buy another quarter cow and go from there.

i wish the wonderful eggs we bought all spring and summer were easier to purchase - i can't justify driving down to the Rice U campus on a Tuesday afternoon at 3:30 for eggs.  The traffic is insane, and my dude would flip out.  we're trying to find another source closer to us.

after eggs, we'll look into picking up some whole chickens.

good for you food is important. i wish everybody could see it that way



The AGA by blixco (2.00 / 0) #6 Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 10:45:19 AM EST
has some good links for sending feedback.  The USDA has received something like 17,000 responses to the new grass fed label rule (up from 57 responses at the start). 

http://www.americangrassfed.org/
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The answer: mail order by gpig (4.00 / 2) #9 Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 10:52:48 AM EST
Eggs by post! What can possibly go wrong?
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Costs, compliance, etc by sasquatchan (4.00 / 1) #4 Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 10:32:10 AM EST
Former coworker had a home hobby farm. He had eggs, chicken, rabbits, guinea fowl. Those he could pretty much sell at MOST farmers markets locally and bring in to work.

Larger animals (sheep, pigs, cattle) he had one or two of, here and there throughout the years. He couldn't butcher them and couldn't sell them. I never got the precise story, but he wasn't USDA certified, or the lower classification, USDA inspected (? approved? There's levels of it).

He could do the birds and rabbits because he did under some number a year (1000 ? 10k ? I forget). But any big animal, no way. He could kill the animal himself and GIVE it away to people, but not sell it.

And some of the farmers markets in the snootier areas (namely, where I live :( ) don't allow NON-USDA stamped food.

So he's in a rock/hard place. He already says the hobby farm loses money. "Leaks cash like a sieve" I think was one way he put it. But he enjoys it, and takes the losses. But to be compliant, he'd have to ratchet up his production and pay an obscene amount of money to get the USDA stamps.

Add into that my state and other local states (VA, MD) are starting to ban selling "shares" of a cow. That's how Larry would have gotten around the laws -- a family buys a "share" of the raising of the cow, and thus get the meat. They didn't buy the meat, they bought the food for the cow or whatever. Sneaky, but was used to get around the laws.

So, sure, your polemic is nice and all, but if you want local, you're still getting massively large argibusiness beef, grass fed or not. Not Joe Small Farmer raised beef.



The grassfed association by blixco (2.00 / 0) #5 Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 10:43:57 AM EST
is a good place to start looking into the business side of this.

I'm not advocating small farmers.  (Your friend can find a processor for his meat, by the way, but he'd have to pay by the pound to process it).  I'm advocating responsibly produced food, large ranch or not.  Locally (central and east Texas) a few of the ranches got together to form a co-op that now supplies meat year-round to a few local stores.

Your friend might find just such an alliance, but I doubt it.  This isn't a hobby.  Intensively managed ranches are a lifestyle, a full-time-plus job.
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meat processing by StackyMcRacky (4.00 / 1) #10 Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 10:54:47 AM EST
the ranch we buy from charges us by the pound for the cow (or however much of the cow we're buying), and then we pay for the processing ourselves.  there's a place in Bryan she used to use, but now uses a place in Brenham that's cheaper.

last spring, total cost of the meat we brought home (and subsequently lost in the freezer accident) was $4.00/lb.  pretty damn cheap!

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He usually was paying a processor by sasquatchan (2.00 / 0) #12 Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 11:03:48 AM EST
but found that the price/lb when selling to come anywhere near break even meant no-one would buy his product. Plus, he'd have to haul his pig/cow/ram off to the processor on days the processor was open for "walk ins" and what not. Huge hassle.

Yes, he could do it full time, but would never make money. Economy of scale. Get big enough, hire some illegals, get gubmint subsidies, then maybe you'll get a profit. If you can find a market for your expensive beef/pork/mutton.

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thats the key by my 2 cents (2.00 / 0) #26 Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 02:04:55 PM EST
"expensive food," it just doesn't sell.


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It does. by blixco (2.00 / 0) #28 Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 02:21:56 PM EST
see Whole Foods stores as an example of just how well it sells.
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no kidding by StackyMcRacky (2.00 / 0) #34 Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 07:48:32 PM EST
my sister works for Whole Foods, and gets a 20% discount.  she says with the discount, her grocery bill is now the same price as regular stores.

i've noticed that WF sells the same crap HEB does for quite a bit more.  i suppose it's how they pay their stockholders.

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ok then by my 2 cents (2.00 / 0) #42 Fri Nov 16, 2007 at 12:41:27 PM EST
theres probably just no demand for accurate food labelling.


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Here in San Francisco: by fluffy (4.00 / 1) #43 Fri Nov 16, 2007 at 01:18:25 PM EST
I live right next to Whole Foods so I do most of my grocery shopping there.  It seems expensive at first blush, but now and then I go to the Safeway (half a mile away) and everything there is just as expensive.  Some things are even more expensive there.
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IAWTP by R343L (4.00 / 1) #45 Fri Nov 16, 2007 at 01:55:28 PM EST
The only thing that is really different in price are produce .. but Whole Foods produce is lightyears better than Safeway's. Though really I should go to the farmer's market more often (tomorrow!) I pretty much don't shop at Safeway hardly at all (except late night runs when I have messed up in planning) even though both are equally convenient for me.

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Oddly enough: by fluffy (2.00 / 0) #46 Fri Nov 16, 2007 at 02:12:31 PM EST
The produce at the SoMa Safeway is often MORE expensive than at Whole Foods.  For example, at Whole Foods, an organic lemon is 70 cents (jesus crap that's a lot for a lemon), but at Safeway it's $1.69 (!!).
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That Safeway by blixco (2.00 / 0) #47 Fri Nov 16, 2007 at 02:39:13 PM EST
us a strange one.  My brother worked as a butcher there for a couple of weeks.  They're apparently almost entirely separate from Safeway Corp.  Different buyers, different reps.
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Well that doesn't change the fact by fluffy (4.00 / 1) #48 Fri Nov 16, 2007 at 02:48:04 PM EST
that it's the only alternative to Whole Foods in walking distance of my apartment, and more expensive.
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it does to me by alprazolam (2.00 / 0) #32 Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 06:34:37 PM EST
i just bought a $7 loaf of bread last weekend, $11 pound and a half of chicken, and i'll buy a $10-$12 bag of coffee this weekend.

there's a place for cheap food and for real food. i still buy diet mt. dew and pretty highly processed beef jerky. at the same time, i'll generally only buy non hormone/antibiotic chicken, 80% wild caught fish, and i support local growers at the local organic/farmer's markets and "specialty" stores.

i'm about a third of the way through Omnivore's Dilemma, it's pretty readable.

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$7 loaf of bread? by StackyMcRacky (4.00 / 1) #35 Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 07:50:36 PM EST
hell, i'll bake bread for you if that's what you're willing to pay for it!

(clock and i make all our own breads - it's the best way to make sure nothing nasty is put in)

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Hmm, by ambrosen (2.00 / 0) #37 Fri Nov 16, 2007 at 06:52:56 AM EST
I've got 2 £2.50 400g loaves of bread in my shopping basket now (and a long wait at the till). I guess alprazolam's are twice the size of mine, so I win the expensive bread contest.

But given that these are wheat and gluten free, cellulose gum free and low fibre, they are the only option for me. And a godsend, quite frankly.

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pricey by Merekat (2.00 / 0) #38 Fri Nov 16, 2007 at 08:15:09 AM EST
Do you get to claim any of the cost back via the NHS or tax rebates? Coeliacs in Ireland can.

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Not as such. by ambrosen (2.00 / 0) #40 Fri Nov 16, 2007 at 09:47:48 AM EST
I'm not actually coeliac (I was biopsied for whatever reaction it was when I was 14), but if you are, then you get bread and baking mixes on prescription. As prescriptions are available at a capped price of just under £100 a year, that's not too bad a price at all. I do have up to 800 Calories a day of supplements I can take as required which are prescribed though, so it does even out in terms of value I get from the government.

And calorie for calorie, this bread's much cheaper than rice cakes.

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also... by StackyMcRacky (2.00 / 0) #36 Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 07:51:50 PM EST
you could buy pasture-fed whole chickens for what you're paying for a pound and a half.

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eh by alprazolam (2.00 / 0) #39 Fri Nov 16, 2007 at 09:05:55 AM EST
i'm not really willing to do pre arrangements and drive any further than an hour. i just go and buy one or two things that i know i'll eat. the cost isn't that big of a concern to me really although i don't buy stuff this expensive all the time. more like i'm willing to spend extra to try it out occasionally.

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Can he classify himself as an animal shelter by georgeha (2.00 / 0) #11 Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 10:56:29 AM EST
and let people adopt the cows?


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Disgraceful. by mrgoat (4.00 / 4) #13 Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 11:11:25 AM EST
In the same vein, I personally only eat certified organic food - that is, food with carbon-containing compounds. No carbon, no eaty.

Years pass, things change, you end up living in Kansas. But the bag of dicks never leaves your side... - blixco
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There's a similar by yicky yacky (4.00 / 1) #16 Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 11:38:46 AM EST

deal with 'Organic' in the EU. While the definition is tightly specified (and can be trusted to a certain extent), they left enough holes in it to displease the Soil Association, allowing questionable labelling in the case of certain products.


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Excellent diary by Herring (4.00 / 2) #18 Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 11:44:05 AM EST
I read Fast Food Nation a while back (just finished Reefer Madness as it happens). The descriptions of the meat processing was scary.

One thing that has happened in the UK is that as a result of over-zealous enforcement of EU regulations (again) a lot of the smaller, local slaughterhouses have been forced to close. This means driving live animals long distances and ... can anyone say Foot and Mouth?

I try to buy local, free-range meat when I can. I would rather pay more and eat less but better stuff. Some of the supermarkets are beginning to catch on now to the fact that we don't all want meat that taste like (and contains) shit.

The grassfed labelling thing is fucking disgraceful though. The "real" farmers need some sort of association with a trademark that the "meat" factories can't use - kind of like the Soil Association in the UK. Then a subtle advertising campaign like "in tests, 70% of ground beef that didn't bear this mark contained shit. Have a nice day"

When my grandfather became ill, my grandmother rubbed goose-fat into his back. He went downhill quite quickly after that. - Milton Jones


Could be a good solution. by mrgoat (2.00 / 0) #22 Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 12:35:36 PM EST
If the government won't certify to the higher standard, go around them. I guess the question is if the USDA would let them advertise something like that. If it's not a USDA certification, I can easily see Big Meat lobbying to illegalize American Grassfed Association certification, on the grounds that it's not "official" and costs Big Meat money and therefore misleading. At that point, we're just back to the same game as before, "he who has the most lawyers is a douche wins".

Years pass, things change, you end up living in Kansas. But the bag of dicks never leaves your side... - blixco
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Hmm by Herring (2.00 / 0) #23 Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 12:46:20 PM EST
Surely they can't stop people from using a brand name? Something like "No shit meat" with the tagline "It's meat but without the shit".

When my grandfather became ill, my grandmother rubbed goose-fat into his back. He went downhill quite quickly after that. - Milton Jones
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Sure they can. by mrgoat (2.00 / 0) #25 Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 01:35:24 PM EST
With enough money and lawyers, one can do just about anything. It doesn't seem like they could, and I hope something like this would work, but large companies tend to throw around lawsuits when threatened, like animals showing eyespots, or pufferfish ballooning.

Why, they could even get their own USDA No-Shit certification*, then contend that No Shit Meat is unfairly competing with No-Shit Certified* meat, and furthermore, that No Shit Brand No Shit logos are misleading, as they aren't USDA No-Shit Certified*.

I guess they could get certified, and be doubly unshitted. That might confuse some people enough to look into it.

*contains shit

Years pass, things change, you end up living in Kansas. But the bag of dicks never leaves your side... - blixco
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VS2FP by garlic (4.00 / 5) #24 Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 12:56:02 PM EST

signatures are for assholes.


You're such a wierdo. by blixco (4.00 / 1) #29 Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 02:22:46 PM EST
But we love you anyhow.
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Good diary. by lb008d (4.00 / 2) #27 Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 02:09:17 PM EST
We're lucky to be able to get pasture-raised beef from Olsen farms at our local farmer's market, and when the market isn't in season (during the winter), they actually deliver to your home when they're in town. They literally know the names of all their customers!

For me at least this is a moot point since I gave up eating meat 2 weeks ago. My partner, however, has such a high metabolism that she has to eat meat in order to not feel hungry all the time. Me, I can just eat veggies and tofu and feel fine, so why bother with meat?

I do totally agree that if you do eat meat the only way to go is through a local supplier.



Good stuff by jimgon (4.00 / 1) #33 Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 06:54:25 PM EST
Mother Jones had an excellent article this month on a new approach to organic farming.

The thing that impresses me most about the meat industry is that  they figured out how to keep meat looking fresh by treating it with carbon monoxide.   Mmmmmm, mmmmm, good.





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I have a solution for this by theboz (4.00 / 1) #41 Fri Nov 16, 2007 at 11:21:16 AM EST
Stop eating meat, other than at restaurants that serve meat from local farms that are grass fed for real.

I'm about to go on a strict diet, and I expect to eat beef no more than once a week.  When I do, I would expect to go to a local restaurant that serves local food (although Cafe Express will be an exception for meeting with the McClocks.)
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it certainly makes choosing your meals easier by garlic (4.00 / 1) #44 Fri Nov 16, 2007 at 01:44:49 PM EST
when you eliminate everything with meat (chicken and fish are meat).
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tell me about it by 256 (2.00 / 0) #51 Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 12:32:13 PM EST
though it's funny how quickly the "which of these two items do i want to order, or would i rather just have these three appetizers" thought process becomes natural.

i started eating fish recently and sometimes i find the number of options on the menu overwhelming now.
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it is sorta nice by garlic (2.00 / 0) #52 Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 12:53:17 PM EST
to be done within 30 seconds of looking at a menu. I'm doing it to save my health and the world and I still like meat, so I'll cheat and still get the buffalo chicken sandwich sometimes.
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I thought you were told... by ShadowNode (4.00 / 4) #49 Sat Nov 17, 2007 at 06:20:43 PM EST
To shoot, shovel, and shut up.



Nope. by blixco (2.00 / 0) #50 Sat Nov 17, 2007 at 08:43:16 PM EST

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