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Diary
By Christopher Robin was Murdered (Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 07:22:42 AM EST) (all tags)
Abstract. You've felt the mood, you've seen the paintings, now experience the short story.


So, in the bottom left corner of the page, you'll find new fiction from Warren Ellis, Max Barry, Cory Doctorow, Lowell Yaeger, and some dude who has my name.
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It's pretty awesome, dude [nt] by riceowlguy (2.00 / 0) #1 Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 07:43:18 AM EST




Wow. by blixco (2.00 / 0) #2 Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 07:51:17 AM EST
Damn fine story.  And a damn fine publication for it to show up in.

Very well done.  I'm proud of you.
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"You bring the weasel, I'll bring the whiskey." - kellnerin


By which I mean by blixco (4.00 / 1) #3 Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 07:53:27 AM EST
we're proud of you.  I'm sounding like your uncle or priest or dad or something.  Sheesh.
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"You bring the weasel, I'll bring the whiskey." - kellnerin
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You'll also be glad to know . . . by Christopher Robin was Murdered (4.00 / 2) #4 Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 08:03:56 AM EST
That I wasn't the only one who got the censors all up in arms. I'm told Ellis and Barry were both nearly cut altogether 'cause the original versions of their stories were over the top in several important and censor-able ways.

Man, first I was embarrassed that I had such a potty mouth; and now I'm embarrassed 'cause I look like a wuss.

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You should be ashamed of yourself by Driusan (2.00 / 0) #28 Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 06:34:07 PM EST
For getting so easily ashamed of your writing.

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Kudos and then some for the publication by TPD (2.00 / 0) #5 Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 09:07:14 AM EST
but I've not read it yet, are you still planning on posting the uncensored version anywhere (like the Hole or similar)(?) - as I'd prefer to read the "as the author intended" version first ;).

Rock Hard Abs are just a sw-sw-swivel away!


That's a possibility. by Christopher Robin was Murdered (4.00 / 1) #8 Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 09:25:37 AM EST
But I've got a contractual obligation not to steal the thunder of the officially published version, so I'll probably have to hold off one any "directors cut" stuff until the special report is old news.

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fair enough by TPD (2.00 / 0) #10 Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 09:39:31 AM EST
I'll stick to reading the official version and randomly inserting swear words where it seems appropriate ;)

Rock Hard Abs are just a sw-sw-swivel away!
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Forbes? by debacle (2.00 / 0) #6 Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 09:09:24 AM EST
Nice.

"I'm very responsive to certain stimuli, and pain is pretty much at the top of that list." - BadDoggie



I know. by Christopher Robin was Murdered (2.00 / 0) #7 Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 09:23:51 AM EST
Weird.

But they pay like everybody else (actually, I think they might pay better than everybody else), so I've got no complaints.

The backstory: when the editors of the special edition cooked up the idea for the fiction section, they decided that they wanted to mix recognizable names with unknowns who would get their first break on the site. A reporter at the rag threw my name in the ring, the editors bopped over, they checked out the WFCs, dug what they saw enough to give me the chance, then contacted me about writing up a piece.

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Forbes pays better than the rest by debacle (4.00 / 3) #9 Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 09:32:00 AM EST
Mentioning a fiction section has me thinking about a bunch of editors sitting around a whiteboard arguing with "F-1CTION" written in big red letters across the board.

"I'm very responsive to certain stimuli, and pain is pretty much at the top of that list." - BadDoggie

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which begs the question.. by LinDze (2.00 / 0) #37 Fri Oct 19, 2007 at 04:17:06 AM EST
we have a forbes reporter as a lurker? Or found via another source?

-Lin Dze
Arbeit Macht Frei
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More a K5 lurker . . . by Christopher Robin was Murdered (2.00 / 0) #38 Fri Oct 19, 2007 at 07:34:00 AM EST
Who makes occasional rips out to the suburbs.

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good jerb by sasquatchan (2.00 / 0) #11 Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 09:41:09 AM EST
my man.



Cheers Mike! by nebbish (2.00 / 0) #12 Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 10:31:00 AM EST
;-)

I've printed it out to take home and read properly tonight. Looking forward to it!

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It's political correctness gone mad!


I hope I'll alway be your plain ol' CRwM. by Christopher Robin was Murdered (4.00 / 3) #13 Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 10:49:16 AM EST
Let's not let this change things between us.

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nice story by BlueOregon (2.00 / 0) #14 Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 11:42:42 AM EST

Well written, but you knew that. Well-edited, though -- sadly -- censored.

The setup was clear enough that in terms of the sci-fi-ish idea, it was clear where things were headed, if not from the clue of the intro at least from the intro of the sim device itself.

But two things make the story worthwhile even if it retreads an accepted trope: the use of language and characterization on the one hand (always enjoyable in your writing) and the appropriateness of the sim concept to the cube-farm, thus providing 'insight' of a sort to office life. And the way the sim-scifi-idea played out was nicely handled.

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"The german quoting guy is a little bit out there." (fleece)


Retread. by Christopher Robin was Murdered (4.00 / 1) #17 Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 12:14:44 PM EST
One of the problems I keep running into again and again is that I stumble across tired sci-fi tropes due to my general lack of interest in the genre.

I've never been a big sci-fi fan. I've got nothing against it, really. It just isn't what I read.

Somehow, I've been lucky to find some measure of success with stories that somewhat unintentionally tap that genre vein, but I think it is a flaw that is especially apparent to people familiar with the canonical works.

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I don't see it as a 'problem'/'flaw'. by BlueOregon (2.00 / 0) #24 Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 01:42:04 PM EST

I'll be a bit verbose.

If the story is about or only about the 'High Concept' you have a problem, that is, if the 'concept' has been done before. I'm not primarily a sci-fi reader; I know my share of 'classical' Asimov and Heinlein and such, and I've read my share of good as well as shittastic fantasy, but I'm open to most genre -- and non-genre -- fiction, with the possible exception of pulp romance (except as an object of parody). HuSi has its share -- I keep using that word -- of sci-fi readers (I refuse to use the subculturally correct expression SF), but most are sophisticated or nuanced enough not to judge merely on a 'concept' and whether or not it's been done before.

And 'doing the concept in a new way' often doen't help; it's an obvious variation on the theme, sort of like the supposed impossibility of patenting something obviously derived from an existing invention. But where your story works, as do stories that have a similar relationship to their 'sci-fi-ish concept,' is, as I stated, in using the concept not just in a new context but in a context that makes sense (makes the concept more plausible) and in which it really illuminates that context, the actual story. At the same time the simulation concept allows us to think beyond the story a bit, especially since these characters are, in the end, so inconsequential (to us).

If your story were categorized as a genre work, it would be judged that way, but to say, "you know, this isn't very hot chili" when you're eating baked beans is to miss the point. I remember reading -- and loving -- Never Let Me Go and then reading reviews by people who saw it only as a sci-fi story and claimed that the book was bad or disappointing because they'd already read other clone/cloning stories. Had they not read the novel? Enjoyed or at least critiqued the language, mood, tone and voice? The nostalgia, the story of cloning merged with boarding school with a subculture's salvation tale and self-mythology mixed in? If they'd done all that and still found it wanting, I'll agree to disagree with them, but if they just see 'clone,' think 'not new,' and quit, I consider them illiterate fools.

Reading your story this morning reminded me of the approach of NaNoWriMo, and I've been thinking of revisiting a concept I considered a couple years ago but never really did because I dropped out after 3-4 days due to other duties, and that concept deals with simulation, as well. It's hard, post-Matrix, to do anything of the sort, especially if the story is about the simulation aspect. If the whole point is that they're in a computer simulation, or behave as if they were, etc., then I have no story to tell, and reading your story (returning to the opening phrase of this paragraph) made me consider anew whether I should go down that road, and -- in light of what I consider a successful story on your part -- what I need to do to make it fresh and work for me.

The End.

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"The german quoting guy is a little bit out there." (fleece)
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This is completely awesome. by muchagecko (2.00 / 0) #15 Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 11:55:20 AM EST
I'm already using it to show off to my co-workers.

"Yeah, I know this guy. My kid spilled milk all over him."

"It means more if you have to earn it, even if it's by doing something as simple as eating a meal." Kellnerin


Tell them that the milk-spill jacket . . . by Christopher Robin was Murdered (4.00 / 1) #19 Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 12:21:06 PM EST
Is the same one he met the editors in.

You and the lad are part of the legend now.

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I'll tell the dude. by muchagecko (2.00 / 0) #20 Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 12:40:05 PM EST
He might remember.

He's become quite a reader. He just started reading this. I've printed out a copy of your story for him.

"It means more if you have to earn it, even if it's by doing something as simple as eating a meal." Kellnerin
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A++ by ana (2.00 / 0) #16 Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 11:59:50 AM EST
Would read again.

Seriously, congrats, dude. Now get to work on your WFC7 story. ;-)

Power up your flaming yo-yos already! --StackyMcRacky


Are you kidding!?! by Christopher Robin was Murdered (4.00 / 1) #18 Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 12:16:42 PM EST
My agent would kill me if I gave this shit away for free now!

I kid.

I have a solid start, but it is going to go over. Needs serious revision.

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Comment from coworker by ad hoc (4.00 / 4) #21 Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 01:06:07 PM EST
cool, who knew you could cross William Gibson and Dilbert....

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Heat, pressure, and time: the three things that make a diamond also make a waffle.


There's a book cover blurb. by Christopher Robin was Murdered (2.00 / 0) #27 Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 06:25:46 PM EST
I think I've found a niche.

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Congrats by georgeha (2.00 / 0) #22 Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 01:26:51 PM EST
though I was expecting a more Faulknerian name.




Great story by spacejack (2.00 / 0) #23 Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 01:27:36 PM EST
and congratulations. Philip K. Dick would be proud :) Not that it's too P.K. Dick-ish.



Who you calling a . . . oh. by Christopher Robin was Murdered (4.00 / 1) #26 Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 06:24:49 PM EST
Thanks.

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meh by alprazolam (2.00 / 0) #25 Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 06:18:02 PM EST
as always, I enjoy your writing. But I don't think the format was right for that story, it really could use some fleshing out imo. OTOH, maybe I just don't get it. Anyway, congrats man. Maybe I ought to get around to reading the WFC stories someday.



More of the same. by Christopher Robin was Murdered (2.00 / 0) #29 Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 06:36:31 PM EST
This story probably had more exposition and less characterization than I normally do. I think I was gun-shy about people somehow missing what, on reflection, is pretty obvious, so I wasted copy on people blathering on and on about what's essentially useless background.

If you didn't dig this, then I'm certain you'll find my reputation for turning in good WFC work is overrated.

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very cool by Kellnerin (2.00 / 0) #30 Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 07:53:26 PM EST
Not bad company to be in, either ... Barry in particular sounds like he'd be perfect for the job, though I haven't yet read his.

Reading yours, though, I can see how you might have felt that this story and your WFC6 might have been stepping on each others' toes. Though you're using the same trick (the first person plural narration), they have very different moods. The road story was much more -- cozy? -- sympathetic, anyway. This one is more cutting, but that's at least partly due to the theme.

Anyway, congrats -- you're totally an author now. I've been thinking lately that now I have "writer" in my title, I can't generate fiction worth a damn. And now I'm thinking that simulated me would probably write better doc, too (I'd lie on the questionnaires).

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"Late to the party" is the new "ahead of the curve" -- CRwM


Thanks. by Christopher Robin was Murdered (4.00 / 1) #36 Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 07:27:13 PM EST
To one of the longest running supporters of my writing (who isn't also married to me), serious total for realz thanks.

Now, to try to finish that damn novel . . .

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the story stays with you by Kellnerin (2.00 / 0) #39 Sat Oct 20, 2007 at 01:35:44 PM EST
Or, I should say, with me at least. I've been thinking of it off and on all week. As others have said, it's not just the conceit or the narrative gimmick, but the mood you set that makes the entire scenario seem plausible.

As for finishing the novel, lots of people are going to be trying to do just that next month, and even if you don't believe in doing the 50,000-word sprint, it's still a good time for setting goals and seeing if you can surprise yourself. (Me, my only writing-related goal this year is to survive three scheduled releases with roughly the same level of sanity I brought into this job. I cannot tell whether this is a lofty, or even achievable goal right now.)

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"Late to the party" is the new "ahead of the curve" -- CRwM
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Hey, that reminds me... by Horatio Hellpop (2.00 / 0) #31 Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 03:19:43 AM EST
According to Diamond's shipping list, Doctorow's new comic/graphic novel/whatever hits the streets in a few hours.

Nicely done, sir!

"You can't really know something until you ruin it for everyone." -some guy who used to have an account here


It's Greg Egan Meets Crwm's Robin! by Scrymarch (2.00 / 0) #32 Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 10:47:06 AM EST
I liked it, especially the ending. Reading the other comments here, I don't think you need to worry about it being a retread. The tropes you touch on are familiar without being overdone, and I also agree with BO that this is a great setting for them that sits better thematically than eg a post-apocalyptic underground city. In Egan's Permutation City, the original sim setting is just suburban Sydney.

You're also paying attention to the audience, Forbes readers are not necessarily genre fiends.

Oh, and people read the WFCs? People other than my imaginary friends in the computer? As if I wasn't procrastinating enough on WFC7 ...

The Political Science Department of the University of Woolloomooloo



Now see, I don't even know this Egan dude. by Christopher Robin was Murdered (4.00 / 2) #35 Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 05:36:37 PM EST
But I'm glad you dug it nonetheless.

It was funny, the day it posted, I was kicking myself 'cause I thought of a whole different approach. I told May about it and she said, "That would have been better. Welcome to being a published writer, sucker."

Still, I'm glad most folks are enjoying it (or saying they enjoyed it, which, 'cause I'm shallow, I'm totally counting as the same thing).

 

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Congratulations by moonvine (2.00 / 0) #33 Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 11:26:48 AM EST
Your story was brilliant.



Thank you. by Christopher Robin was Murdered (2.00 / 0) #34 Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 05:32:43 PM EST
n/t

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