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By fleece (Mon Sep 04, 2006 at 08:10:34 AM EST) (all tags)
when i write i don't really care about the story at all. i just like the rhythm of language, and how ideas make you feel. so i guess it's like art, i just care about you're emotional response to it. If there's something cerebral going on, it's just because it's a handy framework, but that's not how it starts. It usually starts with a purely visual image, then it's purely aural, and the rest is what the reader applies, based on their life experience. I think that last bit is like, 80% of it, the reader's bit. like your favourite bit is the bit you put there.


I'll destroy meaning to make something sound better if the rhythm's wrong. I'll lose the perfect verb if it's got one too many syllables. As soon as you fuck up the beat, you've lost any emotional impact you were building towards, so it's not worth the risk.

rhythm is the most important for conversation. people say, "it's gotta sound authentic like a real person would say", but that is so much bullshit. that's like saying a van gogh sky has to look real. if you can just dig it then it's right.

 I edited a film script for a filmmaker i know, and he was happy. i felt pretty happy aobut it too. he never made the film.

I keep a book for ideas. A notebook. But i hate fucking lines. I like sketchbooks. If i have a book with lines, i'll dishonour them deliberately. I use big and small words to remind me how the bits are supposed to feel. my writing is so messy because when i'm writing i'm normally going at 1 million miles an hour, like my whole life. I'll wait til my tea is luke warm, then scull it all at once. Then a random day i'll hit the wall. MY friend says if i just slow down i won't hit the wall all the time, but i don't think he even gets it.

after they get on the computer, sometimes it'll get so messy I'll start again in a new space. Then i'll go back and see the old space and surprise myself at how much the story has changed.

here's an example of how something looked in my notebook.

A marriage is like a [wristwatch...?]. If you pull it apart to get a closer look at it    try to get a closer look at it  figure out what’s wrong with it it will never you’ll never get it back together again. Stacy and I spent an entire summer deconstructing our relationship. On the fir week of Spring, we found ourselves    found us the third day of spring found us standing on opposites sides of the kitchen like two strangers with nothing in common, and that was the end.

(in the final draft it ended up like this)

You can't figure out what's wrong with a marriage by pulling it apart and looking at all the pieces. You'll never get it back together again. Kate and I spent an entire summer deconstructing our relationship. The third day of spring found us standing on opposite sides of the kitchen, two strangers with nothing in common, except perhaps a shared knowledge of how straightforward falling out of love can be if you're methodical about it.
That's how it ended.

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okay I'll try and turn it into my tips.

keep a notebook handy to jot down ideas as soon as you have them. rework rework rework

write stuff then sleep on it and read it again

strike while the iron is hot, like just don't stop writing while you've got the bug

if it's not working, chop it out. you may have to get rid of your favourite bits, but maybe u can use them in anohter story some time.

NEVER begin starting at a blank page. wait until you've got a seed of an idea, then work in all directions from that seed

don't use adverbs, use good verbs

if it feels right, it's right. if it doesn't change it til it does.

in description, be spare so you don't destroy your reader's mental image. The reader's version is better than yours. many people break this rule with superb results, so it's maybe not such a good rule. remember i'm just making these up as i go sort of

never ever state the emotions the protagonist is feeling. let the reader figure it out by other clues. never say it out loud, it just shit to do that.

have a theme running through it. things that might not seem to fit together suddenly fit together like magic if they are thematically bound.

that's all i got right now. feel free to agree or disagree with anything I've said, or add your own might be a cool thing to. this diary could be a bunch of cool ideas to help people experiment with writing.

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I love to read by Kellnerin (4.00 / 3) #1 Mon Sep 04, 2006 at 11:03:57 AM EST
about how other people write, though I don't know that I can add anything that's useful to someone else. I just know how I do things, and I don't even know if it's the best way for me.

I do have a notebook that I carry around but I don't ever capital-W Write in it, I just jot down notes and fragments. At most a sentence that seems to sound right in my head, one that may be part of a story already or it can be born an orphan. I transcribe snippets of overheard conversation into it a lot (then I inflict quite a bit of it on readers of my diaries, call it a dress rehearsal for something better).

In my notebook I try to attribute anything I stole from somewhere else lest I "internalize" it.

I used to write by hand, copying drafts over and over, but it led to too much fingerpainting. I revise an awful lot, and it only gets worse when I have to consciously revisit every comma along the way, every time.

I agree about the importance of having a seed. I can't get a grip on a story until I have the first sentence, even if it doesn't begin the story. My WFC1 story began in my head with "Phenom $SOME_LAST_NAME was a piece of wishful thinking." The WFC3 entry began with "Anastasia tugged down the stairs to the attic and steeled herself for the climb." The WFC2 seed sentence was actually the opening sentence.

Openings are important, but endings make or break a story. I like to know where a story's going, but I don't have to know how to get there. Like openings, sometimes the ending doesn't look like what you thought it would when you finally get there. That's OK as long as you like how it looks.

When I try writing themes, they are usually too obvious. When I've done a theme well, it was because I didn't realize it was there.

I'm not a rhythm-of-the-sentence person. Wish I was. I try for a sense of the overall pace of the story instead, though it doesn't always work out.

I set myself stupid rules just to see what happens. Write something including these five words (that habit is courtesy of ana). Exact word limits. Write about a conversation without quoting any dialogue. Some way of constraining the choice of words, like how many syllables they have or what letter they start with. (Some of these work better in the rewriting than the original draft, some of them are best abandoned afterwards.)

I also think it's good to leave out as much as possible, but no more. It's better for the reader to have a brief "yeah yeah, I get it already" moment than to be going "WTF this doesn't make any frakkin' sense" all the way through.

I seem to have written a diary entry in your diary. Apologies for that. Hope you are feeling better now than when you wrote the diary, or at least the title.

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by and large by fleece (4.00 / 1) #4 Mon Sep 04, 2006 at 05:18:33 PM EST
i use notebooks exactly as you've described. Ideas, fragments that pop into my head, and ideas jotted down from other authors that really struck me. I even have a couple levels of this, which is a "stolen from" X in Y on page ZZ, and the equivalent but "inspired by", where an author's idea inspires an idea in me, but I don't want to forget the source of that "feeling" so i can go back and check it in context again.

Most of my reworking is done in microsoft word.

a lot of other things you do are true for me to. like sometimes just starting with a sentence i'm in love with.

same also with themes, they just arise for me, but once i see it, i use it.

I would have found the rules thing constraining once, but it worked for me in WFC2. I wouldn't have written anything remotely like the eighth wonder outside of the context of that.

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or, to reformulate ... by BlueOregon (4.00 / 3) #2 Mon Sep 04, 2006 at 03:59:10 PM EST
I feel shitty,
Oh so shitty,
I feel shitty and giddy and pale,
And I pity
Any bloke who is feeling more hale.

As for writing -- many of your writing-procedure 'rules' are decent heuristics that I use on occasion. The better/more-verbs, fewer-adverbs rule/suggestion is one I *often* like, but it depends on the style, and my only justifications for this rule have to do with a tendency toward purple prose on the part of pupils across the country, a tendency to use redundant adverbs (adverbs that are semantically similar to the verbs they are modifying -- e.g. 'run quickly') or use adverbs with 'empty' verbs, or a tendency to employ trite/cliche formulations and metaphors, many of which consist of over(t)ly poetic constructions and excessive modifiers.

I am a proponent of writers reading their texts outloud, of checking for 'rhythm' in that way. And I try to adhere to a more general and descriptive rather than normative approach to rhythm -- that is, I am interested not in a specific rhythm or meter, or that things 'flow well', but that the property of rhythm/meter/flow is salient, either, perhaps, to aid in 'smooth' or 'patterned' reading, or to hinder, interrupt, or confuse reading.

For a writer whose prose is poetic without being overly/overtly poetic to the point of hindrance, I always and highly recommend Peter Beagle. His are the sorts of texts I would sit (and/or have sat) on the beach reading to an SO.

Your notebook/editorial-process excerpt was interesting to observe. I used to write more in notebooks ... alas, these days I mostly use a computer.

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"The german quoting guy is a little bit out there." (fleece)


Notebooks... by Murkey (4.00 / 2) #3 Mon Sep 04, 2006 at 04:23:54 PM EST
... in a moment of madness when I was back in China, I bought about 10 A6 notebooks so I could jot down stuff that came to me...

I still have 9...

They have been there for the last 3 years...



send me a chinese notebook by fleece (2.00 / 0) #5 Mon Sep 04, 2006 at 05:51:39 PM EST
then you'll have 8. and i'll be inspired by whitespace from the orient.

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hey that just gave me an idea by fleece (2.00 / 0) #6 Mon Sep 04, 2006 at 06:01:38 PM EST
husi gift exchange. it's an expensive way to swap crap, so you kind of have to be in it for the fun of it. would the gifts me like mystery gifts, or would you post photos on husi?nno then it's just trading.

You'd have to post a photo on arrival and say, "look everybody, i got a porcelain clown". (that's what i'm thinking of trading right now, the porcelain clown in my office)

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How would you like it delivered? by Murkey (2.00 / 0) #8 Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 01:57:45 PM EST


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Writing by blixco (4.00 / 1) #7 Mon Sep 04, 2006 at 10:29:44 PM EST
for me is all rhythm.  I get a seed of an idea and the process is whatever I am at the time, as it happens, and that's that.  Sometimes I stick to my idea.  Usually I don't.

My titles are the idea, or some reflection of it, and they + intro are written first.  I sometimes change the intro, but the title never changes.

Explains why my titles never seem to make any damn sense.

Rhythm.  I tried poetry once.  Yours is much better.
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