Sunday's games
By bob6 (Mon Jun 19, 2006 at 03:29:43 AM EST) footbal, world cup, Brazil, Australia, France, Korea (all tags)
Brazil vs Australia: getting better
France vs Korea: despair

Poll: video judging?

Brazil vs Australia
Final outcome: Brazil wins 2-0
Overall apreciation: nice game

Despite their victory against Croatia, the Brazilian team failed to convince they were worth another cup. This game was played better and more successfully, they still don't play as champions should be playing. They've even been stolen the glitter by Argentina (Oh no! Not them again!).
Ronaldo seemed more confident and willing, however he still have difficulties to lift his fat leg. He isn't at his top level of physical form but he made an incredible move to pass the ball to Adriano (who shoot and scored at 49'). Imo he's quite dangerous by looking fat and tired since he's still dextrous may have a brilliant inspiration at any moment.
Fred easily scored at 89' by saving a Robinho unlucky shoot. Robinho and Fred: the next generation of Brazilian attackers. They're quick and sharp (Robinho still lack a bit of maturity: play with your team ffs). Ronaldinho was grand as usual, he doesn't stop smiling and for that alone, he's a great player.
Dida is a good keeper (don't laugh) but he's not conforting. He fumbled badly twice and, thanks to the lack of Australian opportunism, the consequences were limited. Credit be given to Aussies: they fought wholeheartedly... after the first Brazillian goal. The fuckers were playing very safe and absolutely defensive (yes, insults for those who seek a draw match), they revealed a good capacity for offensive game a bit too late. There's a lesson here, guys.

Brazil will be in the eighth (what a surprise), the other one in the pool could be any of Australia, Croatia or Japan. However I think Croatia has the best chances, and the most merit.

France vs Korea
Final outcome: 1-1 draw
Overall apreciation: f...!

Okay. The French made a splendid first half, fast and successful (Enry scored at 9'), totally dominating Korea. Even Zidane was running. Then they paused. French football players should not have a pause. The whole team relaxed and Korea eventually scored at 80ish'. Afterwards France got angry and made some pleasant occasions (that Henry missed, of course). They're fucking idiots, they should've maintained the pressure instead of carting around, happy with a single goal.
Next game will be against Togo o Friday, without Zidane or Abidal (two yellows each)... if Togo plays at all. France have to win with at least two goals in order to play further. Allez les Bleus! Allez les Bleus! Allez les Bleus!

Mmm. I had the impresion that the judging was lousy (again) but I reflected on this. Football is judged with a single man on the field (plus offside judges). However the television filming technology has increased a lot lately: we're able to see the game in a very close and intrusive way. Thus we can see more mis-judgings than we had before. In France' and Kora's game, this was particularly manifest since one goal was overlooked (no judge could have possibly seen it, actaully). I'm not trying to find excuses to French players or to whine my way through unfairness, they deserved every bit that draw. However the FIFA guys should think about video judging (like rugby), weight the pros (better judging) and the cons (rythm breaking).

Other pools: congratulations to all those who are already qualified to the eighth, except Argentina: they can rot in quarters with the pimp-ex-cheater-cokenose-pseudochampion supporter of theirs.
I'll be keeping an eye on the E pool since anything may happen and second qualified will probably meet Brazil. Btw cheers to the States for keeping stand against Italia.
france's second "goal" by tps12 (4.00 / 1) #1 Mon Jun 19, 2006 at 03:52:08 AM EST
In the replay footage on US TV, they only had one angle from which it looked like it could have possibly been in. And of course, with only one angle, it's impossible to tell for sure (is his shin perpendicular with the ground? What's the angle of his knee? How far is the ball from the ground? How many angels...).

I loved how the USian commentators immediately a) started referring to it as a goal that was "taken away" from the French (when it had never been awarded in the first place) and b) kept wondering why France wasn't whining about it more.

I don't think USians are bad sports in general—I don't remember all this bitching during the Olympics ever—so whence this idea that the proper way to play soccer is to constantly complain about unfair officiating, to the point where we're amazed when other teams act like adults?

What I saw by nebbish (2.00 / 0) #9 Mon Jun 19, 2006 at 05:08:14 AM EST
The keeper had his foot on the line, and was leaning back with his arm stretched behind him when he made contact with the ball. Not only was it behind the line, it was a few feet behind the line. As you say though, it's easy to argue otherwise.

The answer is to employ fairly unsophisticated technology - sensors in balls and on the goalposts - that won't be perfect but will at least give the ref a helping hand. Most arguments against changing the way the rules are enforced centre around slowing down the game whilst video footage etc is pondered over. This is one of the few areas where I don't think there's any excuse. The effect the decision will have on France is far too weighty.

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some sports by MillMan (4.00 / 1) #11 Mon Jun 19, 2006 at 05:22:20 AM EST
really need decent sensor and camera technology applied to the flow of the game. Soccer/footie, baseball, and US football are all sports I can speak to the need for this. They are all mutilbillion dollar sports, so cost isn't an issue. The only thing holding it back is traditionalist bullshit. US football at least has instant replay, although the implementation is poor (it takes too long).
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Instant replay I'd avoid by nebbish (2.00 / 0) #12 Mon Jun 19, 2006 at 05:24:38 AM EST
It's one of the things that really puts me off American football, I just find the game too disjointed and interrupted. Sensor tech though yes, definitely - think how much that disallowed goal could mean to poor France.

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US football by MillMan (4.00 / 1) #13 Mon Jun 19, 2006 at 05:29:00 AM EST
is too fast and too technical to not have it. The rules are very complex. Personally I would like to see the refs have small wireless TV on their wrists so they can look at plays right after the fact.

Much like soccer in the US I can see how US football is an acquired taste for people outside the US.

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I'd like to see more of it by nebbish (2.00 / 0) #14 Mon Jun 19, 2006 at 05:31:10 AM EST
It's relegated to late-night TV, and that's only every now and again - most of the time it isn't on at all. I'm sure I'd get into it after seeing a few games.

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US Football by Breaker (2.00 / 0) #16 Mon Jun 19, 2006 at 06:08:44 AM EST
Is basically a series of set pieces.  They get to rotate the entire team every time the ball stops moving.

Which is why it's dull and disjointed with no real sense of building an attack; it's just grind-grind-grind until you've had the ball stop 4 times then if you've not made enough ground up it's the other team's go with the ball.

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There was a Brazilian back by cam (4.00 / 1) #2 Mon Jun 19, 2006 at 03:58:27 AM EST
looked fairly old that had a huge grin on his face too. He was laughing openly when he got a yellow card and even shook the referees hand after getting the card. Another time when he got penalised for a foul he had a grin too.
Capitain Cafu by bob6 (4.00 / 1) #4 Mon Jun 19, 2006 at 04:08:52 AM EST
He's a veteran (36 years old, 4th cup) and known for his good sportsmanship.

Cheers.
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France by TPD (4.00 / 2) #3 Mon Jun 19, 2006 at 04:01:33 AM EST
Robbed of the goal, but looked so much better than Korea that I'm sure they would have had the game well and truely wrapped up - had they not spent the whole of the second half pissing about rather than probing for a second goal.

Bartez was a liability!

why sit, when you can sit and swivel with The Ab-SwivellerTM

You should have seen Dida by bob6 (4.00 / 1) #5 Mon Jun 19, 2006 at 04:14:56 AM EST
Yeah. Moreover, Coupet (Barthez's substitute) is excellent, steady and loved by the team. But he wasn't named main keeper because "he has no experience in international competitions". Bah.

Cheers.
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Is that a multiselect poll? by ambrosen (4.00 / 2) #6 Mon Jun 19, 2006 at 04:38:54 AM EST
And, bob6, I'd never realised you were English before.

I'm not by bob6 (2.00 / 0) #7 Mon Jun 19, 2006 at 04:54:45 AM EST
What did make you think I'm English?
My language skillz ---> thanks, I take it as a compliment
My football enthousiasm ---> I'm partly Brazilian

Yes, it should've been multiselect but I forgot to check the appropriate box.

Cheers.
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Oh, by ambrosen (4.00 / 1) #8 Mon Jun 19, 2006 at 04:58:07 AM EST
so there are other countries who dislike Argentina, then. ;)

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Brazil and Argentina: by bob6 (2.00 / 0) #17 Mon Jun 19, 2006 at 10:16:21 PM EST
a long-time rivalty with a history loaded with football games and actual wars. Yet they are very tied (trade and family, etc.).

Last cup I was in Brazil and one brand of beer was using it for its commercials (I realize this sentence contains zero information). The ads consisted on gently mocking the other teams' supporters: one with Russians roughly drinking vodka, one with French delicately sipping wine, etc. You get the message: you should be drinking FooBeer with joy while supporting the Seleçao. The one for Argentinians showed an empty bar and a voice said: "sorry we didn't find any extra who accepted to take the Argentinian part for money".

Cheers.
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Yes, a genuine local rivalry. by ambrosen (2.00 / 0) #18 Tue Jun 20, 2006 at 12:14:35 AM EST
It's the England-Argentina rivalry that's anamolous, really. Due to a silly territorial dispute and a dodgy handball, obviously.

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indeed by martingale (4.00 / 1) #10 Mon Jun 19, 2006 at 05:08:27 AM EST
My thoughts on les bleus is summed up in a word: "again?!"

I think deep down they just don't really give a fuck, they don't feel they have anything to prove.
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korea deserved the draw by alprazolam (4.00 / 1) #15 Mon Jun 19, 2006 at 05:39:13 AM EST
just for their fans...man those guys are nuts. 20000 koreans at the stadium to watch the game....in LA.