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Diary
By blixco (Mon May 22, 2006 at 07:55:53 AM EST) (all tags)
"I looked over and my driver's face was gone."


"I can't stop thinking about it...."



Sir,

You have to understand something: I've never been to war.

In my privilege, I have never had to kill anyone, never had the people I work with die violently around me.  In my little blind life, I've never had to worry about driving down the street and getting killed.

I can leave this building and drive across Texas.  I'm not hemmed in by the threat of madmen and remote explosives.  My clothes are free of armor.

The air in my house doesn't smell like dust.  Unless you've been on oxygen recently, you can't imagine that, I realize.  Last night I was drinking an ice cold Lone Star longneck in my air conditioned house.  Complaining.

Complaining of the pain in my right side, a back injury brought on by sedentary life.  An injury of privilege.  You were on patrol along a five mile stretch of hiway outside of Baghdad.  You're an infantryman, a foot soldier.  You are the front line; where you go, the fight is.  Cramped into the gunner's position in a humvee, you were somehow able to get your body mostly into the steel tube of the gunner position when the vehicle was split in half by an IED.

You were able to live.  That one horrific explosion, a tearing bang that left you partially deaf.  The explosion made you yell, you wanted it to stop just because it was so loud and so wrong.  So out of place.  Not supposed to happen.  Ugly and frightening and huge.

Your driver, a Specialist from Oklahoma City.  You saw him after, because he didn't shout his name in response to the welfare check, you looked down and there he was.  And there is your nightmare for the rest of your life, until the next one comes along.

His face missing.

I slept last night in a bed with city traffic roar and my wife's light breathing.  I lay there thinking of you, of your world.  Your war.  That sudden bang.  The weight of your armor, worn and sweat-soaked.  The sight of you dropping down, crying at the loss of one of your friends.  It's OK, you know, to lose faith.  You can't have faith without losing it every now and again, to remind you where it comes from and why it is needed.

I've never been in war.  I've never been shot at.  I've not helped your fight in any meaningful way.  I'm one of those hard to understand sorts, a guy who supports the troops but doesn't support the war.  That doesn't make a lot of sense: how can you support the soldier and not the cause?  Well, I can tell you it's because I don't think of soldiers the way war does.  I don't think of you as being ammunition, supplies, expendable.  War accepts your loss.  War demands it, requires it; if there isn't dead and injured, there isn't war.    I am related to old soldiers, wars removed by generations, they still have nightmares, still won't talk about the relationship between them being alive and the men they killed being dead.  They walk around, smiling.  Lucky.  And I know them as uncles and grandfathers, and my knowledge of them is as a human, family.

So how, then, to support the soldier, the guy who has his life changed so suddenly by cheap remote bombs placed by cowards?  I can buy things for you, send you stuff.  I can write you anonymously or, if I know one of you, directly.  I can go out and drum up frothing righteous anger at the loss of another soldier, demand that all of you return or we'll vote.

Some of that, I do.  But so much of it feels hollow.  Lacking any of the direct care that I so wish to somehow supply.  Lacking any comradeship.  You are my countryman.  There's got to be a better way.

I have no idea why you signed up.  Duty?  Honor? Money? School? Love?  Fate?  You walked into a recruiters office and you signed your life to them, and they loaded you into their machine and sent you, your friends, your driver, sent you down that road.

Who's responsible?  The coward that killed your driver?  The men who sit in positions of power, the guys with the suits?  The commanders?  Something lofty like God or our thirst for oil?

Who gets the blame?

You'll get airlifted to Germany, then to Walter Reed for surgeries and therapy.  There are something like 17,500 or so wounded soldiers.  Many of them have flown this same route, Germany to Walter Reed.  The air smells like diesel and vomit and blood, they clean up the planes as good as they can but they've had guys exanguinate and expire, guys who were little more than the tubes feeding them.  Guys, normal guys.

Guys like you.  Kids. Old guys from middle America in the reserves.  Kids from the inner city.  Guys with favorite beers, guys with snapshots of highschool girlfriends, guys with dogs and favorite music and excellent barbequeue recipes.  People with dreams, with kids, spouses, friends. They got into the military for the retirement, for the life.

You'll get on that plane to Germany, but they left you on that road, your humvee broken in half like a toy thrown by a petulent child God.  They left you there, staring at the hole in the head of your friend, the hole where his face used to be.

Things no person should see.

I hope, I hope that you're going to be OK.  Things here are the same as always: people take sides, they fight invisible fights that seem so large and important.  They sit in their airconditioned houses.  They wait for the movie to end.  You'll find that it's the same as it was, but that your volume is up so loud and your tempo set so fast that it feels all wrong, that the gleam of future is dulled by this mundane thing.  So little comfort in empty stripmall America.  The world here is slow and cold, but has Home.  Your family want you back in one piece.  Will you be?

When you get back, I hope you'll get in touch.  This country is empty without it's young men, without the noise and fire y'all bring to the world.  I'll be here, Lone Star in hand, waiting to celebrate your luck.

And if you don't make it, or your body does but your spirit is left behind, we'll all be here to do what we can, to help where we can.  To hopefully bring every other soldier home, somehow end this stupid and brutal killing.

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a specialist from Oklahoma City by wiredog (4.00 / 1) #1 Mon May 22, 2006 at 08:06:16 AM EST
Specialist is a rank, so should be capitalized. Other than that, great piece. SPC (Specialist) is an E-4, the rank right above PFC (Private First Class), and right below Corporal (COrporals are also E-4s).

You should post it to K5, we could have fun mocking the trolls it will surely draw.

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Updated. by blixco (2.00 / 0) #2 Mon May 22, 2006 at 08:10:10 AM EST
Thanks!  I'd normally have capitalized that, but I'm only on my second cup of coffee.
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Putting a cat amongst the pigeons here by nebbish (4.00 / 5) #3 Mon May 22, 2006 at 08:23:10 AM EST
Why do Americans seem almost exclusively concerned with the welfare of American soldiers, and hardly ever mention that of Iraqi civilians, who are getting a much worse deal?

I feel for the soldiers too, but it's the Iraqis who really need our concern - and maybe bringing soldiers home is the worst thing we could do right now. p>

Unless this is to someone you know of course, in which case I'll shut the fuck up.

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It's funny by blixco (4.00 / 3) #4 Mon May 22, 2006 at 08:31:16 AM EST
that most of what I hear from my friends and etc is concern for the Iraqi citizens.

So, your generalizations suck.  I don't know of anyone, right or left, who is exclusively concerned with any single group of people in Iraq.

In re: worse things that we can do, I guess it's all up to the opinion of the guy who owns the soldiers, and not up to us.
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I can only generalise by nebbish (4.00 / 2) #6 Mon May 22, 2006 at 08:49:19 AM EST
From what I read in your diary entry, which doesn't once mention Iraqis. And you ask that the soldiers be brought home in your last couple of lines, which is what really prompted me to post.

It seems to be quite a common attitude. Happens here as well - the Stop The War coalition is very keen on Bring Our Troops Home Banners. I think it's a bit short-sighted, and blinkered as to who's doing the majority of the suffering over there (sorry, few too many eye metaphors there).

Anyway, I wasn't having a go, I thought you might want to defend your point of view...

Well-written, as always, for what it's worth :-)

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This particular by blixco (4.00 / 4) #7 Mon May 22, 2006 at 08:53:06 AM EST
story is about a soldier.

Others may be about Iraqis, and the horror that will be their lives from 1990 through the end of our empire.

Both are relevent and valid; both don't need to be told in the same breath.
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Fair point [nt] by nebbish (4.00 / 1) #8 Mon May 22, 2006 at 08:58:48 AM EST

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My best friend spent a year in Iraq... by atreides (4.00 / 6) #10 Mon May 22, 2006 at 09:11:18 AM EST
He's stated on many occassions that the people there he hates the most are not the people who are trying to kill him and other soldiers because the feel them to be invaders (were he in the same position with a foreign power occupying his country he'd do the same) but rather the people who kill citizens in the name of fighting the invader. And he's not the only person I've met who feels that way but it's harder to empathize with someone from "over there" than with our sons and daughters and countrymen.

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Part of it by blixco (4.00 / 1) #11 Mon May 22, 2006 at 09:23:21 AM EST
is ease: I am much more effective helping my neighbors and friends than I am helping a random Iraqi.  I don't even know how I'd start to help an Iraqi.

Part of it, though, is timing.  Last night I saw something on television that moved me to this.
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And ... by yicky yacky (2.50 / 2) #12 Mon May 22, 2006 at 09:23:45 AM EST
rather the people who kill citizens in the name of fighting the invader.

... to whom, exactly, was he referring? There's too much over-simplistic bullshit on all sides here.


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There is simplistic by blixco (4.00 / 2) #14 Mon May 22, 2006 at 09:37:55 AM EST
information because the truth is so overly complex as to be unbelievable.  The truth is: bad, stupid, terrible, immoral things happen in war.

Bad, stupid, terrible, immoral things that happen in the blink of an eye at times, or after deliberate planning at other times.  Either way, the density of information required to convey the truth is well beyond our ability to comprehend.  You'd have to be there an analyze every second of activity for a given event.

Or find some sort of trust that someone is telling you the truth, and you trust their interpretation.  It may be easy: here's some dead kids, here's the things that killed them, and here's a few witnesses.  It may be more complex: here's a bunch of dead people and one side says they were civilian and the other side says they were terrorists.

There's no easy truth.  No binary view.  It's not that kind of thing.  It would be easier to deal with if it were, but it's not.
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No, no, no. by yicky yacky (4.00 / 1) #17 Mon May 22, 2006 at 09:50:59 AM EST

You do not get to stand upon a platitudinal and sanctimonious high horse over "the people who kill citizens in the name of fighting the invader" when we (the allies) have blown away far more "citizens" than the insurgency has. Nor do you get to wave your hands and cast "confusion and complexity" as a noxious get-out clause for that kind of bare-faced cheek.

I know this war's a bloody and complex mess, and the kids there are way out of their depth and being manipulated by power struggles beyond their control, but that has nothing to do with making facile and off-point declarations as some kind of "reasonable" justification.


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And why not? by blixco (4.00 / 2) #18 Mon May 22, 2006 at 10:03:03 AM EST
I think the point of some of this is: we can say whatever the fuck we want.  That's the reason for things like, ya know, speech.

Less flippantly, I think people will say what they can, believe what they can, to help justify their role.  If your job is to kill bad guys and your side kills, in general, then you'll need to find a way to sleep at night.

And, you may be wrong.  You.

Wrong.

It could happen.  In the meantime, the fog of war does still count as an actual psychological condition.  Have you been in a firefight?  Me neither, but from what I hear, they're pretty goddamn confusing.  Can you tell the difference between an armed and an unarmed person from 10,000 feet at mach .8?  Can you tell the difference between a civilian and a fighter dressed as a civilian while you are being shot at repeatedly?

Me neither.

The best we can hope for is: someone, somewhere who can make a direct difference, is.  That they're not pulling the trigger when a child pops his head up over a wall during a firefight.  That he ignores orders to clear out a building when there's no enemy present.

And, in the meantime, the best you and I can do is support our interests (whether peace or war, soldiers and civilians, aid and politics, whatever) with the greatest amount of energy possible, and the least amount of armchair politics.

Fact is, our justification isn't required.

All we can do is: hope for the best, and prepare for the worst.
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Ah, the Chewbacca Defence ... by yicky yacky (4.00 / 1) #21 Mon May 22, 2006 at 10:09:49 AM EST

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That went by blixco (4.00 / 1) #22 Mon May 22, 2006 at 10:10:57 AM EST
right over my head.  I have no star wars references...you may have to help me.
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try this by martingale (4.00 / 3) #50 Tue May 23, 2006 at 12:01:56 AM EST
Tchoobaka Solo Sarlaac ha ha ha.

Works every time.
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Not being sanctimonious... by atreides (4.00 / 2) #24 Mon May 22, 2006 at 10:48:18 AM EST
If someone invaded the US and we had militias or guerrillas fighting the invader, more than likely they would attempt to not kill Americans. Over there, from what he's told me, the "freedom fighter" don't even make that attempt. Most of them are not fighting for national sentiment or ideology. They're mercs fighting for money. That they themselves are Muslim and their employers are Muslims employing them for a theoretically Muslim cause is secondary.

Have you seen The Passion yet? Here's a spoiler for you: Jesus dies.
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Timothy McVeigh by Rogerborg (2.00 / 0) #26 Mon May 22, 2006 at 11:50:18 AM EST
Is exactly the sort of person who would compose any active resistance movement.

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You're really by blixco (4.00 / 1) #28 Mon May 22, 2006 at 12:03:26 PM EST
not making any sense, though I know that it is English that you are writing with.

Do you, I dunno, have a point somewhere in your one-sentence messages?  Or are they code?
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listen, by garlic (4.00 / 1) #32 Mon May 22, 2006 at 12:20:17 PM EST
one liners don't really work if they're more than one line. Rogerborg doesn't like to do more than that.

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Not being sanctimonious... by Rogerborg (2.00 / 0) #35 Mon May 22, 2006 at 12:53:56 PM EST
is way harder than it sounds!

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How by blixco (4.00 / 1) #46 Mon May 22, 2006 at 09:03:21 PM EST
would you know?
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Contrast "better than you" by Rogerborg (4.00 / 1) #53 Tue May 23, 2006 at 03:28:16 AM EST
with "just as bad as me".  You know, like resorting to one-liners.

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That's Funny by Improbus (2.00 / 0) #71 Mon Aug 14, 2006 at 11:55:26 AM EST
If anyone was stupid enough to invade the U.S. the members of the NRA would cut them down before our troops had time to assemble.  No one should be stupid enough to attack a country where the citizenry is better armed than law enforcement.  Lord help the fools if they ever got into rural America.



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The US hasn't killed as many noncombatants by wiredog (2.00 / 0) #25 Mon May 22, 2006 at 11:04:37 AM EST
as the rival militias and terrorist groups over there have. Not: I said "noncombatants", which is not necessarily equivalent to "civilians". And which is certainly not equivalent to members of the Iraqi Army who died in the fighting when we invaded, although they were citizens of Iraq.

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two comments by johnny (4.00 / 3) #49 Mon May 22, 2006 at 11:48:48 PM EST
a) I don't believe that

b) do you have any source for your assertion?

But getting back, way back, to Blixco's original post, I too watched "Baghdad ER" last night.  I watched it in my hotel room. I watched most of it, not all of it, because it was so sad and depressing that I could not stand to see it through to the end. However, I did see the part about the soldiers to whom Blix was referring.

While I do feel sorry for all the poor USian souls who have been killed or wounded in this horrible war, I don't feel any need to glamorize or fetishize them. I do acknowledge that most of them signed up out of a patriotic imnpulse, I don't think that their patriotism is necessarily any more noble than any other person's, and I wish that more of them had demonstrated their patriotism by questioning this war and the militarization of our culture and our imperialism, rather than by signing for the military.  I rather wished they had signed up for the Peace Corps, which would have put them in less danger and done more to enhance my personal saftey and the safety of the country I love, the USA.

What a horrible thing to see brave young people butchered.

Tim O'Brien, the Viet Nam combat vet and brilliant author of The Things They Carried, wrote an essay called "I was a coward. I went to Viet Nam", in which he lamented his choice not to resist the war when he was drafted, but instead took what he called the easier route, which put him "in the shit" for thirteen months.

I do not call our servicemen and women cowards. Certainly if you saw that show last night you saw much to admire. Bravery and competence and compassion and skill and dedication and all around fearlessness. And I know people who are serving in Afghanistan and Iraq right now. Sons of my friends, classmates of my children, and young men who were once in the Boy Scout troop where I was the assistant scoutmaster. I hope they all come back well, physically and psychologically.

But I wish none of them had signed up.

And I wish they had not been part of this horrible war that has wrought so much damage on so many Iraqis.
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Good points. by blixco (2.00 / 0) #54 Tue May 23, 2006 at 07:02:54 AM EST
And while there is a bit there that I disagree with, I see your point.

I was raised in a family of soldiers, guys who didn't sign up out of patriotism.  They signed up because it was a job, one that was better than working in a furniture factory or at the Asarco smelting plant.  They were then put into a war or two, and did what they did out of necessity to their survival, and not some mis-guided love of country.  Yes, they did love their country, but that wasn't the reason they were there.

Hrm.  I was reading a thing last night about the use of paid private armies to fight wars.  Companies like Aegies, who fight in places like Sierra Leone and are used for security in Iraq.  What's the difference between a private army, one made up of guys who get a paycheck, versus a "volunteer" army like the US military?

I couldn't find a difference.  I know that if brand loyalty were stronger or if, say, Nike had an Army, the mindset would be just about right on.
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The difference by wiredog (4.00 / 2) #55 Tue May 23, 2006 at 07:33:40 AM EST
The pay is better for the private armies, and members of those armies can quit at any time. Oh, and no one is sure of what laws govern those armies. Are they subject to UCMJ? The Laws of War? If they torture an Iraqi in Bagdad, can they be prosecuted in Houston?

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Sources by wiredog (4.00 / 1) #56 Tue May 23, 2006 at 07:35:38 AM EST
Press reports mostly. And talking with people who've been there. Do you have sources (reliable ones, not DailyKos) for your assertion that the US has killed more non-combatants in Iraq than the various guerilla groups?

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Like yourself by johnny (4.00 / 1) #64 Tue May 23, 2006 at 09:19:10 PM EST
I rely on press reports and nongovernmental organization reports. I'm not interested in proving a thesis, and I'm open to the possibility that I'm wrong. But we have leveled at least one city, and good parts of several more.  A car bomb is a toy compared to a warthog, and nothing on earth compares to the full fury of a US Marine battalion. And of course there are all kinds of bombs that we drop from the sky from all manner of means. Those blow up a lot of people. I hope that I'm wrong, of course.

I wonder if we will ever know how many people the mercenaries have killed?  I lay those deaths at the door of Rumsfeld and Bush. The US military had nothing to do with them. And I suspect they are many indeed.  It seems logical -- although "logical" and "Iraq" perhaps do not belong in the same sentece -- to impute the deaths of many USian service people to the activities of the mercenaries.  By that I mean, mercenaries are (correctly) percieved as agents of the Americans, and so reprisals against American soldiers are probably considered retribution for actions of the  mercenaries.

I know that there are people who are trying to conduct an honest accounting of who has died and who has killed whom.  Clearly a fully accurately account is impossible, but it's worth trying to make the effort.  If you come across any such info, I would be curious to read it.

I don't discount the testimony of US people who have served in Iraq in an official capacity (military or otherwise). But they of course will have a built-in bias, as will any of the participants (militias, etc).  Naturally the Americans will say that "it's the Iraqis who are blowing each other up", just as naturally many Iraqis say, "we don't have any problem with each other: Sunni and Shia,we are all Iraqi brothers ans sisters! It is Americans (and Zionists) causing all the trouble!"

Ach, it's all so depressing.
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Depressing by blixco (2.00 / 0) #65 Wed May 24, 2006 at 07:41:26 AM EST
and hugely complex.  We kicked over a hornets nest, and now demand that it become a bee hive.

You have sectarian warfare, racial warfare, radicals from terrorist groups or just straight up thugs who want money or power or whatnot.  You have our military, the biggest, scariest blunt instrument in the world, going off like a child's hammer.  You have the "leadership" and the people.  There are so many layers to the thing.

How'd they ever live in "peace" to begin with?  Well, they didn't.  One of the ex-recon guys I talked to said: the only thing keeping that country together was a cruel leadership and people willing to be subjected to it.

Pragmatically, Bush the First saw it clear as day: we can't remove their only source of "stability" without buying into a killing and babysitting job that will last for decades.

Decades.

My dad told me once, he thought that the Vietnam war would end in the early 70's because the Vietnamese would run out of bodies.  In Iraq, we haven't had ten years to kill whole generations yet, but I fear...in ways that make me want to run screaming...that we will.  Time and ammunition, we have plenty of both.

There's no easy solutions, not that I can see.  It makes my heart hurt.
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I'm glad they signed up. by garlic (4.00 / 1) #61 Tue May 23, 2006 at 10:08:26 AM EST
I'm glad my brother signed up. I'm glad that we can have a volunteer army that fulfills our needs instead of having a draft.

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have we? by garlic (2.00 / 0) #31 Mon May 22, 2006 at 12:17:43 PM EST
according to who?

'no civilian casualties' is a very modern requirement of war. I'm glad that we're killing much less than the past, and hope for the day when we can kill much less than now.

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I think we've pretty much bottomed out by Rogerborg (2.00 / 0) #41 Mon May 22, 2006 at 08:29:08 PM EST
The bombs can get smarter, but the brains behind the triggers can't.  Fortunately, spin can take us the extra yard.  Say, did you hear that we just bombed the shit out of a village in Afghanistan and killed 50 insurgentrebelterrorists and not one "civilian"?  See, village, not city; no civilians there to kill.

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Sort of by ucblockhead (2.00 / 0) #47 Mon May 22, 2006 at 11:31:02 PM EST
Civilian casualties in war had been trending down for centuries and only took a sudden uptick in the 20th century. All you have to do is compare the number of civilians that died when Napoleon invaded Russia (not all that many) with the number of civilians that died when the Germans invaded Russia (12 million.)
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In traditional wars of conquest by aphrael (2.00 / 0) #68 Wed May 24, 2006 at 07:17:01 PM EST
There's little incentive to kill the peasants, since you want the fruits of their labour.

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Harder to empathise by nebbish (4.00 / 1) #13 Mon May 22, 2006 at 09:34:55 AM EST
Salient point. I've got a friend working out there as security - although he has more choice in the matter than most about what he is doing, soldiers included, it's obviously him I worry about the most.

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It's also a lot harder to write a convincing story by ambrosen (4.00 / 1) #15 Mon May 22, 2006 at 09:45:58 AM EST
What with not having as large a common frame of reference with Iraqis.

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human nature? by garlic (4.00 / 2) #30 Mon May 22, 2006 at 12:14:23 PM EST
we do tend to like our theoretical neighbors more than theoretical strangers.

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what information is that observation by MillMan (4.00 / 3) #38 Mon May 22, 2006 at 06:24:33 PM EST
based on? If the answer is "standard media outlets," we may need to have a separate discussion.

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Bringing the troops home might be the worst thing by aphrael (2.00 / 0) #67 Wed May 24, 2006 at 07:14:25 PM EST
But the reason Americans are more concerned with American soldiers than Iraqi civilians is simple: the American soldiers are part of the tribe and the Iraqi civilians aren't.


If television is a babysitter, the internet is a drunk librarian who won't shut up.
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preemptive WIPO by martingale (4.00 / 1) #5 Mon May 22, 2006 at 08:41:26 AM EST
First I thought I'd knee-jerk WIPO a big "Hell, no!" onto the poll, but then I suspected a trick, so I went in and read the last paragraph. As a result, I now think I'd actually press the poll button if it concerned me. Damn apathy.
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On Killing Motherfuckers: by ammoniacal (4.00 / 4) #9 Mon May 22, 2006 at 08:59:24 AM EST
This story was a bit of a salve for me. Thanks.

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Wow, that's pretty fucking amazing by Rogerborg (4.00 / 1) #16 Mon May 22, 2006 at 09:46:15 AM EST
I do not think that it would be possible to be an iota more patronising.  Do you?

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I'm confused. by blixco (4.00 / 1) #19 Mon May 22, 2006 at 10:07:28 AM EST
Who is patronizing whom?
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Oh, never mind me by Rogerborg (4.00 / 1) #27 Mon May 22, 2006 at 12:01:59 PM EST
I'm just snappy because my magnus opus The pain of childbirth: a personal view was rejected by some FemiNazi publisher.

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So by blixco (4.00 / 5) #29 Mon May 22, 2006 at 12:08:35 PM EST
no writing about anything outside of your experience?  I get it.  That's a pretty bizarre world you live in, man.

Me, I'm trying to come to grips with being in middle America, doing my day-to-day, while guys like me (and a lot not like me) go out and get shot and get killed.  I can't imagine it.  I don't know how to relate to it.

But I can write about it.  Regardless of your opinion.
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Sir, you have inspired me by Rogerborg (4.00 / 1) #36 Mon May 22, 2006 at 01:05:16 PM EST
Can I count on you for a favourable cover quote for Chronic back pain: the real story?

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Sure, by blixco (4.00 / 5) #39 Mon May 22, 2006 at 07:44:30 PM EST
so long as you use a factual account from someone who suffers from back pain.

Wait...was I unclear on that?  That the person in the story was a gunner in a real life humvee, whose driver was killed by an IED?  Yeah, the guy's face was blown off.  The gunner, he was hit by shrapnel.

Me, I was drinking a beer.  The way the world works, I felt pretty ridiculous about that.  I couldn't imagine being in that place, having a friend get his face blown off.  I've been lucky.

But I felt for the guy.  He's out there, and I can't even begin to imagine it, other than it must be terrifying.  Oh, and I have his words to help me picture it.

Huh.  Apologies if my writing was so completely awful that I didn't get that across.
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See, I get the bit about HIM being real by Rogerborg (4.00 / 1) #42 Mon May 22, 2006 at 08:31:45 PM EST
It's your use of his real experience as fuel for your own personal piece of emo porn fiction that really rocks my world.

Oh man, one of us is WORSE THAN HITLAR.  I really hope it's me.

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Huh. by blixco (4.00 / 3) #44 Mon May 22, 2006 at 09:00:49 PM EST
So, yeah.  What of the above is fiction?  It's my attempt at dealing with what I'm feeling.

I can't deal with what he's feeling.  I can't properly picture it.

So...I really don't know what the deal is.  I just don't get you, man.

I'm not trying to get the reader to feel for me.  I guess the goal is more a purging of this useless feeling I get when I hear these guys talk, when I hear their stories and try to figure out: what can I do, if anything?

I dunno.  You think I'm worse than Hitler, hey, fine.  You and calla both get your opinion of me from this mis-read?  Or from my inability to transfer thought to screen?

OK.

I mean, whatever helps you hate me, or think less of me?  Fine with me.  If you think that all of this was written just to make me feel...what?  Better?  Worse?

Get y'all to pay attention to me?

Yeah.  Well, whatever it takes.  If it makes you think less of me, then it was worthwhile.
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I didn't really think it through that much by Rogerborg (2.00 / 0) #52 Tue May 23, 2006 at 03:25:34 AM EST
It's my attempt at dealing with what I'm feeling.

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I never took by blixco (4.00 / 1) #57 Tue May 23, 2006 at 07:45:12 AM EST
you for being a feeling sort.

Hippy.
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I feel that you'll be Poet Laureate[1] one day by Rogerborg (4.00 / 1) #59 Tue May 23, 2006 at 08:17:09 AM EST
And then I can hang out with my beatnik friends and be all like "Man, I trolled that man before he was the Man, man."

What I also feel is that war chroniclers should have some experience of the subject matter and people that they are addressing, be they ChickenHawks or EmoHawks.  It's the difference between Saving Private Ryan, and that Hitler Channel silent B&W WWI footage of the chap who gets tidily shot the second that he gets out of his shellhole, falls down, and dies a pointless and unremarked death.  One has all the appearance of veracity and insightful commentary into the subject, the other has all the substance.  Reenacting and reimagining the latter tragedy adds nothing to it except mawkish self indulgence on the part of the commentator.

I may have exceeded my one line limit on this reply, so I'll forgoe the next dozen or so, and wish you a cheery good day.

[1] Poet Laureate Consultant in Poetry to the Library of Congress, to give it is darling Colonial title.

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I see. by blixco (4.00 / 1) #60 Tue May 23, 2006 at 08:34:26 AM EST
I get it now.  Nicely summed up.

I don't have any sort of experience with war, which is why I didn't write about being in war.  My descriptions come from conversation with people here at work (we employ a heck of a lot of military here...for some reason) after seeing a documentary about the combat surgical hospital in Baghdad.  The documentary kept me up most of the night, questioning myself.

So I posed some questions to the guys here, then wrote this up.  I liked the description of an explosion being so sudden and out of place that the reaction to it is "go away, go away."  Not what I expected.

See, here in the US, there's a bunch of us from military families who feel bad about not being there, fighting or helping or doing something, damnit.  It's an obligation to...memory?  Maybe.  And it's impossible to reconcile with the comfy life I lead.

I sit in my livingroom drinking a cold beer, and guys are dying.  Iraqis and Americans and Brits.  And I'm not doing a thing about it.

That's what I'm writing about here.  Not about fighting a war.  Just about war told from the point of view of me, a, what, coward?  Lucky guy?  I dunno.
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mawkish self indulgence by garlic (4.00 / 3) #62 Tue May 23, 2006 at 10:13:16 AM EST
so, does that only apply to modern wars, or any war reenactments? the one liners certainly are fun, but when someone's actually trying to communicate with you it's a big limitation.

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Are you saying I'm a filthy hypocrite? by Rogerborg (4.00 / 2) #63 Tue May 23, 2006 at 10:46:09 AM EST
Because if you're not, then you really should pay closer attention.

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war chronicles are one thing by aphrael (2.00 / 0) #69 Wed May 24, 2006 at 07:28:01 PM EST
but surely discussion of how a society reacts, which is kinda-sorta involved in a war because it's our friends and family fighting it even though our lives aren't directly effected at all, is independently interesting.


If television is a babysitter, the internet is a drunk librarian who won't shut up.
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You Are Soooo Right. by Christopher Robin was Murdered (4.00 / 6) #20 Mon May 22, 2006 at 10:07:38 AM EST
Who is the clever reader then? Who is the clever reader?

That's right. You are.

You must be just about the cleverest young man in the world.

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And the ones that give the orders ... by lm (4.00 / 2) #23 Mon May 22, 2006 at 10:34:46 AM EST
... are not the ones to die.

It's Scott and McDonald and the likes of you and I.


There is no more degenerate kind of state than that in which the richest are supposed to be the best.
Cicero, The Republic


that's how war works. by garlic (4.00 / 1) #33 Mon May 22, 2006 at 12:23:10 PM EST
good ones and bad ones. it's not a movie where the general leads the charge into battle.

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They Used To. by Christopher Robin was Murdered (4.00 / 2) #34 Mon May 22, 2006 at 12:34:34 PM EST
In 1812, Monroe took the field as Secretary of War (and State, he held both posts).

We should hold him up as an example and send Rummy in.

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I'm reminded of an old Willie and Joe cartoon by wiredog (4.00 / 3) #37 Mon May 22, 2006 at 01:12:10 PM EST
Soldier asking a General "Sir, would you mind standing somewhere else while you're inspiring us? You're drawing fire."

Earth First!
(We can strip mine the rest later.)

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whoa! by martingale (4.00 / 1) #40 Mon May 22, 2006 at 08:09:21 PM EST
A general and a painter! That man has talent!
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$E(X_t|F_s) = X_s,\quad t > s$
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Thanks for this. by calla (4.00 / 2) #43 Mon May 22, 2006 at 08:54:19 PM EST
And especially for this "Old guys from middle America in the reserves".

My dad is one of those old guys that keeps getting sent back there. Because he's an old guy, he doesn't get any action. I still worry.

Thanks.

"Are Linux chicks worth it?" fencepost


You're welcome, by blixco (4.00 / 3) #45 Mon May 22, 2006 at 09:02:10 PM EST
and I hope it didn't come off as emo porn fiction.
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It speaks to me. by calla (4.00 / 2) #51 Tue May 23, 2006 at 12:38:48 AM EST
Not just because you mention 'old guys'.

A+++1FP.

I only foured the 'borg's comment because it was funny. I probably should have given it a 3 because it didn't apply to your story.

"Are Linux chicks worth it?" fencepost
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Reminds me of... by randomxs (4.00 / 2) #48 Mon May 22, 2006 at 11:34:27 PM EST
what I went through. thanks for the write up. Excellent as always. I enjoyed it and was also saddened by it as well.

"When a person can no longer laugh at himself, it is time for others to laugh at him." - Thomas Szasz


Thanks. by blixco (2.00 / 0) #58 Tue May 23, 2006 at 07:47:30 AM EST
This was inspired by a television show, and the resulting conversation here at work...there's a number of vets here, and a ocuple of guys who're on their way back to Iraq.

But a lot of it, the underlying "what can we do?" question is an old one, way older than me.
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Thank you by aphrael (4.00 / 4) #66 Wed May 24, 2006 at 07:08:24 PM EST
Thank you for posting this.

My brother was in Iraq for a number of months, and in Afghanistan before that. We haven't talked much about it, because it's the kind of thing you don't want to talk about, and because I haven't figured out how to have real conversations with him; he wears a shield around his heart which I am afraid to pierce.

But I do know that coming home was hard for him, and one of the most difficult parts was driving: because the lesson of his time in Iraq was that anything on the side of the road -- anything, fast food litter, a broken guardrail, a rock -- could be a bomb.

He's fond of the saying, my brother is, that people sleep well at night only because good men are willing to do violence on their behalf; and while I don't think this war exemplifies the sentiment in that quote, I think he has a point. I could not do what he does, and I am grateful that there are people who can.

If television is a babysitter, the internet is a drunk librarian who won't shut up.


Might as well get myself in trouble eh? by idiot boy (4.00 / 3) #70 Thu May 25, 2006 at 07:22:10 PM EST
I was sat in the Terminal 1 BA lounge at heathrow a few weeks ago. As is my wont, I pottered straight to the smoking room (well, straight via the white wine but ...) and found a young sqaddie sat there still in fatigues (someone will not doubt tell me that fatigues is the wrong word... bloody mil-geeks) and covered in fine sand.

We wound up talking, he bored, myself intrigued.

If you read the papers in the UK, you'd think that everything over there is disasterous. There has been a great deal of coverage explaining how things are going seriously downhill in Basra and the South where the British are based.

After being told that the can of Stella he was drinking was THE FIRST DRINK HE'D HAD IN THREE MONTHS I asked how things were over there (a nice open question I thought).

The slightely unexpected reply was (paraphrase and including responses to subsequent questions). "It's fine, most of the people like us, understand we're trying to protect them and work with us. Most of our intelligence comes from them and is good."

The message was the the youngest squaddie would have some level of relationship with the Iraqi civilians that he fully understood his role to be to protect.

He made it clear that there were scumbags and that many people would be duplicitous but that overall he was happy :

A) That the British troops were acting to make things better for Iraqis

B) That Iraqi civilians were the same as brits (albeit more inpenitrable)

C) The Yanks are too bloody trigger happy

The kid (he was a kid) was on his way back to Edinburgh to see his dad who is dying of Cancer.

This incredibly normal, average and brave person has been risking his life daily for people with whom he has no direct relationship. He has spent the last four years in (probably the wrong order) :

NI
Bosnia
Kosovo
Iraq

and once his compasionate leave and base-time (no idea what you call it - the whole unit is coming back to the UK shortly) is over, he's being packed off to Afghanistan in December.

He's happy that he's doing something worthwhile and is a decent, impressive human being.

It was interesting to watch the passengers become slightly mawkish as we boarded the plane. I was glad though that the kid whose life is placed on the line daily by us was lauded.

Our soldiers are berated for every infraction of the "rules of war". The young bloke I spoke to was decent, normal and had been sober for three months. I hope his dad is still well.



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