Print Story My Wife's Rack
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By CheeseburgerBrown (Sun Apr 02, 2006 at 05:16:52 AM EST) rack, boobs, breasts, tits, jugs, knockers, bosom, bust, hooters, melons, wife, colic (all tags)
My wife's boobs have become jugs.

She's always had a sweet rack, but her bosom has become especially scrumptious now that it's in the dairy bar business. It's like a temporary breast augmentation without silicone, and I admit that the change speaks to me on a basic level.



Naturally, there are those who might suggest that my appreciation taints the holy relationship at the heart of the change -- the purpose of her inflated tits being to serve as an alimentary lifeline for our month-old son, of course. Nevertheless my wife and I have never been ones to deny the earthier aspects of the reproductive process, so neither of us feel that my knocker-inspired lust is an element of pollution. Rather, it demonstrates the great interconnectedness of things for it is conceivable that her mammary swelling may be designed to a dual purpose: to feed the child and to retain my fascination.

I have always had a weakness for feminine curves. It can't be denied.

I remember a swarthy Turkish girl in life-drawing class whose ample assets were sufficient to keep my eyes glued to her throughout our sketching sessions rather than on the naked model posing in the centre of the room. I was willing to overlook various deficits for the love of her hips and lamps, including but not limited to her overall hairiness and the fact that she was too shy to speak to me. I awaited with relish the moments in which she would lean over her artboard to scrub out unwanted lines, the brisk motion of the erasure transmitted in undulating waves through her swaying melons.

I wonder what her name was.

The first time I dated a girl with C-sized orbs I honestly felt like their first unclad presentation should've been heralded by trumpets and drums. I was very impressed at first, but ultimately dissappointed because she wasn't a "breast girl" -- in other words, while I derived great satisfaction from playing with those wondrously gravity-defying teenage skin pillows she derived little or none. She sported a freckled bust with nipples of such a pale pink that they almost matched the rest of her skin. I enjoyed watching her shower.

I've nibbled on A; I've squished B; I've cavorted with C; but my favourite remains D.

I married a girl with D cups -- a girl titillated when I play with her D cups -- and I think it's a wonderful bonus that for a while after expelling children she goes Double-D. She may be too tired to mambo with me as often as either of us would ideally like, but at least when she does it's pornotastic.

(The less squeamish of you may wonder whether or not there's a lot of milk involved. There isn't. In order for my wife to serve dairy she needs to be in the appropriate mood. To express milk for later consumption she must close her eyes and pretend she's feeding the baby instead of a noisy little battery-powered suckbot. When we're feeling frisky, in contrast, the milk stays put.

(For the purposes of scientific investigation I did taste my wife's milk shortly after the birth of our daughter. It was sweeter than I had expected, like tea mixed by a kid. Not bad at all.))

The infant screams with colic and the house is a mess; our daughter throws tantrums for want of attention and I'm exhausted from my new job; creditors loom and my paycheques come in too slowly to appease them -- and yet it is hard to be chagrined when I can bury my face in my wife's expanded cleavage, lost somewhere between hard nipple and milk-taut swell. As in so many other situations, it is important to stop and smell the roses.

Hurrah for hooters, I say. Hurrah!

So say we all.


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Paging Mr. Vorhees by lb008d (4.00 / 7) #1 Sun Apr 02, 2006 at 06:12:43 AM EST
This diary is for you, obviously.

It Is For Every Man... by CheeseburgerBrown (4.00 / 3) #13 Sun Apr 02, 2006 at 07:27:37 AM EST
...Every man whose eyes are ringed in Tabasco mascera, who feels guilty that his wife is even more tired than he is, for whom caterwauling has become a background noise like crickets, and may sometimes need a touch of cheering up when it all seems a bit stifling.

The bum on her chest is a crack of hope in the veil, an aperture from the blanket of exhaustion.


I am from a small, unknown country in the north called Ca-na-da. We are a simple, grease-loving people who enjoy le weekend de ski.
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My experience was different by georgeha (4.00 / 2) #2 Sun Apr 02, 2006 at 06:18:00 AM EST
and it is sweeter than cow milk. But that was more at the 9 month mark, IIRC.

Hooray for hooters, bravo for breasts, toot your horn for ta-tas!


According To A Stranger's Two Year Old... by CheeseburgerBrown (4.00 / 3) #6 Sun Apr 02, 2006 at 07:17:13 AM EST
...the taste of the milk changed in a way he didn't care for when his infant sibling was born. The change in taste weaned the boy, a process which had until then proved difficult.

This is the goldmine of gossip that comes to me second hand from Littlestar's time at the village play-group.


I am from a small, unknown country in the north called Ca-na-da. We are a simple, grease-loving people who enjoy le weekend de ski.
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It's a medically noted change by desiderandus (2.00 / 0) #325 Tue Apr 18, 2006 at 02:45:59 AM EST
The milk that comes out shortly after birth is called colostrum, and is higher in protein (antibodies, specifically) to give the infant's immune system a kick. it's supposed to have a specific consistency too, which I can't remember.

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+++ would try again by anonimouse (2.00 / 0) #57 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 04:00:10 AM EST
Well from a wide range of samplings (OK, three) the taste varies from person to person and changes.

Girls come and go but a mortgage is for 25 years -- JtL
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+1 Hot Wife Content by yankeehack (4.00 / 4) #3 Sun Apr 02, 2006 at 06:22:07 AM EST
Although I'm feeling a little inadequate at the moment
"...she dares to indulge in the secret sport. You can't be a MILF with the F, at least in part because the M is predicated upon it."-CBB
"Be Fruitful And Multiply" -YAHWEH by CheeseburgerBrown (4.00 / 2) #8 Sun Apr 02, 2006 at 07:19:32 AM EST
The opinions expressed in the Bible do not necessarily reflect those of the CheeseburgerBrown broadcasting system, however you would probably feel less inadequate if you were burstin' with dairy.


I am from a small, unknown country in the north called Ca-na-da. We are a simple, grease-loving people who enjoy le weekend de ski.
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Properly warn me next time sir . . . by slozo (4.00 / 10) #4 Sun Apr 02, 2006 at 06:30:31 AM EST
. . . I just figured the title was a titillating appetizer to another robot story, and was chagrined to see a porno shot of my sister right under the header! Geez Louise, that shit ain't right man!

You Didn't Consider Yourself Properly Warned? by CheeseburgerBrown (4.00 / 1) #9 Sun Apr 02, 2006 at 07:22:13 AM EST
after stories of 'bots . . . by slozo (4.00 / 1) #15 Sun Apr 02, 2006 at 07:38:34 AM EST
. . . I just didn't expect it, truthfully.

I probably was properly warned, but alas, distance removes me from the aparation of my sister's gooey love affair with a certain prolific poster of pictures . . .

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Okay, Next Time I'll Use Blinking Text by CheeseburgerBrown (2.00 / 0) #18 Sun Apr 02, 2006 at 07:52:34 AM EST
And yet by yicky yacky (4.00 / 4) #11 Sun Apr 02, 2006 at 07:24:13 AM EST

you instantly recognized them as being the very same assets as those which belong to your sister. Interesting.


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Vacuity abhors a vacuum.
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Right... by littlestar (4.00 / 2) #142 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 04:31:19 PM EST
I'm sure my necklace didn't give it away. Or the title and author.
*twinkle*twinkle*


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Your sister has a really nice rack. by ammoniacal (4.00 / 11) #20 Sun Apr 02, 2006 at 09:03:18 AM EST
Man, I've always wanted to say that to someone.

"To this day that was the most bullshit caesar salad I have every experienced..." - triggerfinger

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I have said that to someone by wiredog (4.00 / 1) #49 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 02:42:26 AM EST
One of my best friends. The sort of guy you could (if you were a good friend) say that sort of thing to.

Earth First!
(We can strip mine the rest later.)

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*Curtsy* by littlestar (4.00 / 2) #141 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 04:11:24 PM EST
Thank you kind sir.
*twinkle*twinkle*


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it's good to be a guy by MillMan (4.00 / 8) #5 Sun Apr 02, 2006 at 06:33:10 AM EST
all it takes is a nice pair of boobs to make us happy.

Everybody still hates me in this city and I hate everybody.

Shallow bastard (nt) by Driusan (4.00 / 5) #7 Sun Apr 02, 2006 at 07:19:23 AM EST


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Vive le Montréal libre.
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Ha, Ha - You're Gay! by CheeseburgerBrown (4.00 / 4) #10 Sun Apr 02, 2006 at 07:23:53 AM EST
Even about the italics? by Driusan (4.00 / 3) #12 Sun Apr 02, 2006 at 07:26:37 AM EST
I'm so confused, now I don't know if I should start calling you Ti Ammonia Brown or not.

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Vive le Montréal libre.
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Especially About the Italics. by CheeseburgerBrown (4.00 / 2) #14 Sun Apr 02, 2006 at 07:28:36 AM EST
If you're especially joking about the italics.. by Driusan (4.00 / 1) #16 Sun Apr 02, 2006 at 07:38:46 AM EST
..then that means that you don't think I'm a real c..

Yeah, that.. that would go a long way towards explaining why I've spent my morning surfing HuSi while watching The Wizard, actually.

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Vive le Montréal libre.

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Actually, I Think You're A Fine Catch. by CheeseburgerBrown (4.00 / 2) #17 Sun Apr 02, 2006 at 07:49:07 AM EST
You're handsome, intelligent and sensitive. You should have no trouble at all tricking girls into forming relationships with you. What happens after that I cannot speculate without a closer knowledge of your foibles.


I am from a small, unknown country in the north called Ca-na-da. We are a simple, grease-loving people who enjoy le weekend de ski.
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were you really watching the wizard? by tps12 (2.00 / 0) #69 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 07:11:34 AM EST
Or did you just make that up because of the topical "he touched my boob!" line (a sure winner when yelled out at Rilo Kiley shows)?

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I was half really watching the Wizard by Driusan (2.00 / 0) #127 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 01:23:37 PM EST
The other half was distracted by HuSi.

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Vive le Montréal libre.
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true. by aphrael (4.00 / 3) #116 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 11:47:40 AM EST
for most gay men, all it takes is a nice well-developed chest. :)
If television is a babysitter, the internet is a drunk librarian who won't shut up.
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you want dinner too? by MillMan (4.00 / 3) #19 Sun Apr 02, 2006 at 08:22:17 AM EST
damn by LilFlightTest (3.66 / 9) #21 Sun Apr 02, 2006 at 10:31:01 AM EST
i'm not looking forward to that part...they get in my way as is.
Send me to Austria!
+4, Actual Female Discussing Her Goods by CheeseburgerBrown (4.00 / 4) #23 Sun Apr 02, 2006 at 10:58:45 AM EST
Oooh! by Driusan (4.00 / 6) #27 Sun Apr 02, 2006 at 01:49:49 PM EST
Actual female discussing her goods, and another 'pparently bitter one 1ing her. Cat fight!

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Vive le Montréal libre.
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ROWR! -nt by chuckles (4.00 / 1) #31 Sun Apr 02, 2006 at 02:55:24 PM EST


"The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin [...] would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities"
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apparent, or not apparent by persimmon (2.71 / 7) #35 Sun Apr 02, 2006 at 04:03:44 PM EST
I'm bitter about everything, not just irritating whiny attention-whores with my name who make obvious ploys for attention based on physical attributes.

If i were just bitter about boob size, [redacted]
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"Nature is such a fucking plagarist."

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Are you complaining? by ammoniacal (4.00 / 2) #37 Sun Apr 02, 2006 at 04:31:47 PM EST
You're pretty curvy, so I doubt your hubby's complaining.

"To this day that was the most bullshit caesar salad I have every experienced..." - triggerfinger

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IPAWTP by calla (2.83 / 6) #40 Sun Apr 02, 2006 at 06:29:58 PM EST
I'm not bitter about everything - but support persimmon in her bitterness towards irritating whiny attention-whores.

I'm working on a plan for rounding up all the whiny attention-whores and throwing them into a concentration camp.


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IAWTP by ammoniacal (4.00 / 1) #42 Sun Apr 02, 2006 at 07:43:11 PM EST
Can I have conjugal visits?

"To this day that was the most bullshit caesar salad I have every experienced..." - triggerfinger

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Until I get a replacement. by calla (4.00 / 1) #44 Sun Apr 02, 2006 at 11:00:26 PM EST
Having to make the trip all the way out to see you is gonna be a drag.


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scratch the first reply. by calla (4.00 / 1) #45 Sun Apr 02, 2006 at 11:49:42 PM EST
You won't have to go - because you aren't irritating or whiny.

Whew, that's a load off my mind.


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MeeeeYOWR! by CheeseburgerBrown (3.00 / 3) #47 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 02:29:09 AM EST
Who Peed In Your Spaghetti, Calla? by CheeseburgerBrown (4.00 / 1) #73 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 07:46:57 AM EST
Or is this one of those tedious issues with history that I'm supposed to use HuSi search to drill-down for?


I am from a small, unknown country in the north called Ca-na-da. We are a simple, grease-loving people who enjoy le weekend de ski.
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you make a big show about respecting women by calla (2.66 / 3) #135 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 03:47:08 PM EST
yet you jump on the 'woman/kitty' bandwagon. Nice.


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You're An Answer Dodger. by CheeseburgerBrown (4.00 / 1) #136 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 03:57:32 PM EST
I was trying to be cute, rather than saying, "Hey, why are you being such a caustic ass?"

But whatever terminology best floats your boat. Meanwhile: about my inquiry?


I am from a small, unknown country in the north called Ca-na-da. We are a simple, grease-loving people who enjoy le weekend de ski.
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To Be More Clear: by CheeseburgerBrown (4.00 / 2) #137 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 04:01:25 PM EST
Just in case you were going to go all literal about spaghetti, the question at the root of my initial inquiry is, "What the fuck is your problem, exactly? Your reaction is way out of line with anything said. Is there some secret history here?"


I am from a small, unknown country in the north called Ca-na-da. We are a simple, grease-loving people who enjoy le weekend de ski.
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What reaction? by calla (4.00 / 2) #149 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 04:57:08 PM EST
rating the 'woman/kitty' comment a '1'?

The comment was the typical macho woman/kitty crap. It deserved a '1'


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That's Not What I Meant - Let Me Essplain: by CheeseburgerBrown (4.00 / 1) #150 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 05:16:10 PM EST
I read your comment before I read persimian's, and I thought you were actually the origin of the vitriolic description of LFT's comment, rather than simply echoing the sentiment.

Given that, as the echoer, "What's your problem, woman? Tits are the fucking topic."


I am from a small, unknown country in the north called Ca-na-da. We are a simple, grease-loving people who enjoy le weekend de ski.
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I agree with persimmon. by calla (4.00 / 1) #155 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 06:09:37 PM EST
Some comments contribute to the site. Some merely draw attention to the commenter. Someone's comments always draw attention to someone and contribute just about nothing to the site. I find those comments annoying, although I generally don't get involved.


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So, Let Me Get This Straight... by CheeseburgerBrown (4.00 / 2) #166 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 02:04:07 AM EST
...you're saying I'm the one paying mere lip-service to feminism by calling you a "kitty" while you've declared that women who talk about their breasts in a breast-themed forum are "attention-whores"?

When you shoot from the hip you reveal the cracks in your philosophy.


I am from a small, unknown country in the north called Ca-na-da. We are a simple, grease-loving people who enjoy le weekend de ski.
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You certainly make a lot of assumptions, by calla (2.66 / 3) #191 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 05:16:42 AM EST
then post them as fact.

Did I rate LFT? Did I ever say that her comment didn't fit into this diary theme? No.

Stick with the facts.


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Honey... by CheeseburgerBrown (4.00 / 1) #194 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 05:36:15 AM EST
...you wouldn't know facts if they were pulling on your ears and blowing on your nose.

You've demonstrated your inability to maintain a coherent exchange. It's time to just throw in the towel now, before your big secret gets out and becomes apparent to everyone.


I am from a small, unknown country in the north called Ca-na-da. We are a simple, grease-loving people who enjoy le weekend de ski.
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Coherent? by calla (2.66 / 3) #197 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 05:39:28 AM EST
You have done nothing but launch personal attacks.

Is bullying your best debate technique?


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Too Little, Too Late. by CheeseburgerBrown (4.00 / 2) #198 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 05:45:32 AM EST
Oh, now you want to play reasonable?

Nevermind. You're fixing the barn door after the cow's already come home.

Hindsight is 20/20 though, I guess.

Just move along, nutters.


I am from a small, unknown country in the north called Ca-na-da. We are a simple, grease-loving people who enjoy le weekend de ski.
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What? by calla (2.66 / 3) #199 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 05:50:38 AM EST
I have made my comments here based only on what has been posted. I have made no personal attacks on you, in spite of your derogatory remarks.

I will not stoop to your level.


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Okay, Cool. by CheeseburgerBrown (2.00 / 0) #200 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 05:51:51 AM EST
Have you even read the comments? by calla (2.00 / 0) #202 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 05:58:41 AM EST
It's almost as if you are commenting to another thread.


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Yeah, Go Figure! by CheeseburgerBrown (4.00 / 1) #206 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 06:11:10 AM EST
being with tidave has certainly made you meaner. by garlic (4.00 / 2) #181 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 04:30:39 AM EST


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You're right by Rogerborg (4.00 / 1) #184 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 04:34:25 AM EST
She's way hotter now.

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Metus amatores matrum compescit, non clementia.
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only by garlic (4.00 / 2) #187 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 04:43:52 AM EST
only because your homophobia makes it acceptable for you to fantisize about her instead of ti-dave.


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Will there be bunnies in this camp? by wiredog (4.00 / 1) #50 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 02:44:44 AM EST


Earth First!
(We can strip mine the rest later.)

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Indeed by anonimouse (4.00 / 3) #53 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 03:16:52 AM EST
All you can eat.

Girls come and go but a mortgage is for 25 years -- JtL
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Noooo!! by anonimouse (4.00 / 1) #54 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 03:19:31 AM EST
Please may I be excused as I don't whine?

Girls come and go but a mortgage is for 25 years -- JtL
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-1 by calla (4.00 / 1) #56 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 03:48:16 AM EST
misspelling of "whinge"


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and that would leave which of us? by aphrael (4.00 / 1) #156 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 06:35:47 PM EST
is this some wierd sort of last-man-standing survivor game, or?
If television is a babysitter, the internet is a drunk librarian who won't shut up.
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What's up?? by Mrs FlightTest (4.00 / 2) #161 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 08:03:09 PM EST
I see nothing in LFT's comment that is whiney or attention whoring in the least. She was simply voicing her opinion based on the content of this here diary. I happen to agree with her. Large breasts can be a pain..... literally.

They are heavy & have a tendency to get in the way. There are certain weight machines in my fitness class that are difficult for large breasted women to use.

Me thinks you & persimmon are far too sensitive if you really believe the comment was not in line with the theme of this here diary.

BTW, whose to say HUSI isn't already a concentration camp for whiney attention whores??? ... oh wait, that's k5! HUSI is more like an asylum.

Wheeee...Flyin' is Fun!!

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hi by persimmon (2.25 / 4) #162 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 08:25:26 PM EST
I in fact have tits and don't need a lecture on the disadvantages they can pose. I'm not sensitive to women talking about their tits; I'm prone to irritation at
a) attention whores and
b) irritation at insinuations that I'm being catty and jealous about tit size when in fact I am being bitchy and underhanded about disliking LFT and her behaviour. IMO LFT's comment was just the latest of a years-long swath of irritating behaviour and so I used the fucking system for downrating off-topic tripe. FFS.
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"Nature is such a fucking plagarist."
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hi yourself by Mrs FlightTest (4.00 / 1) #306 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 08:35:48 PM EST
I did not mention your tits or lack there of & I did not lecture you, I simply stated
Me thinks you & persimmon are far too sensitive if you really believe the comment was not in line with the theme of this here diary.
meaning that you & calla are a bit sensitive (in general) if you think what LFT said was not on topic.

IMO & apparently many others here on HUSI based on the comments herein; LFT's comment was NOT in anyway off topic; the TOPIC in case you missed it was MY WIFE'S RACK; and a rack was precisely what LFT was referring to.
Wheeee...Flyin' is Fun!!

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Please to be reading the many threads by calla (2.00 / 2) #310 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 11:33:58 PM EST
in which there are many comments where both persimmon and I state that we have never claimed the comment was off-topic.

You adore LFT - that's fine. persimmon and I don't.

The End.

p.s. except I hope you realize that I only took the time to explain this to you because you are my friend. It's a friendly courtesy.


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actually by persimmon (3.00 / 4) #315 Wed Apr 05, 2006 at 05:43:23 AM EST
in my post on this subthread, i did rather imply that I think ME ME ME MEEEEEEEE is off-topic tripe, whether it includes tits or not.
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"Nature is such a fucking plagarist."
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I agree with persimmon. by calla (2.50 / 2) #163 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 09:14:41 PM EST
Grow Up, Lady. by CheeseburgerBrown (4.00 / 3) #167 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 02:09:30 AM EST
Seriously. You're so put off by this that you think it's appropriate to carry on the way you are?

Why does LFT's behaviour disturb you to such an extreme extent? Are you somehow threatened by it, or what?


I am from a small, unknown country in the north called Ca-na-da. We are a simple, grease-loving people who enjoy le weekend de ski.
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How would you describe those comments? by ammoniacal (4.00 / 2) #175 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 03:51:20 AM EST
Calla didn't have to cherry-pick them.
Wait a few days and LFT will generate some more of them.

It's the folly of youth, man.

"To this day that was the most bullshit caesar salad I have every experienced..." - triggerfinger

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I Would Say: "Flirtateous." by CheeseburgerBrown (4.00 / 3) #177 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 04:10:14 AM EST
Chicks get really hot under the collar when other chicks flirt.

Naturally, they're free to express their vitriol any way they like, but if it seems bizarre given the context they'll be asked about it. All I initially said was, "Jeezum Crow -- is there more history here I'm missing, 'cause that seems way out of proportion!"

If LFT regularly makes such comments, why does it inspire such ire in calla, in particular? Why does she give a shit? I mean, fine, she gives a shit, but why give a shit to the extent that she's got to post with such rancor?

I know there was some allusion to pseudo-feminist rhetoric, but it looks to me like just basic, everyday female competitiveness. Like I said, it bugs chicks when other chicks flirt.

It should also be pointed out that part of the function of tits is for getting attention. They're secondary sexual characteristics. LFT using her tits to get attention? Seems like she's read the fucking manual.


I am from a small, unknown country in the north called Ca-na-da. We are a simple, grease-loving people who enjoy le weekend de ski.
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Well, by blixco (4.00 / 1) #180 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 04:25:05 AM EST
I'd say opinions matter.  Yours and hers.

And they can be based in whatever facts or fiction they desire.

That's the fun, no?
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Taken out of context I must seem so strange - Ani DiFranco

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Sure. by CheeseburgerBrown (4.00 / 1) #195 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 05:37:15 AM EST
I just didn't see the cause for being so rude about it.

Seems odd for a grown woman to get worked up over such a thing.


I am from a small, unknown country in the north called Ca-na-da. We are a simple, grease-loving people who enjoy le weekend de ski.
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You are, once again, making assumptions. by calla (2.66 / 3) #204 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 06:07:33 AM EST
Try reading the comments.


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Here's A Novel Idea! by CheeseburgerBrown (2.00 / 0) #207 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 06:13:14 AM EST
Why don't you try defending your point of view rather than just griping on the way others ask you to defend it?

If you're just going to make noise, why post at all?

If you make your argument well, you might even bring folks around to your point of view. Try it!


I am from a small, unknown country in the north called Ca-na-da. We are a simple, grease-loving people who enjoy le weekend de ski.
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Defend what argument? by calla (2.00 / 0) #211 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 06:29:41 AM EST
I've shown you a small sampling of what I consider attention whoring.

What more do you need?

Do I need to post derogatory comments about you?


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Dodger, Dodger! by CheeseburgerBrown (4.00 / 1) #212 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 06:31:54 AM EST
Don't like being direct, do you?

Nevermind. As I stated earlier, it's too late to start again from the top. If you can't follow along that's your own business.


I am from a small, unknown country in the north called Ca-na-da. We are a simple, grease-loving people who enjoy le weekend de ski.
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What are you referring to? by calla (2.66 / 3) #213 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 06:35:26 AM EST
Unless you've got questions inside your head that I don't know about - I've answered all your questions.


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Okay, I Give: We'll Start Over. by CheeseburgerBrown (4.00 / 1) #219 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 07:00:06 AM EST
My earlier questions called for context for the comments, but that's been covered now so we'll let them go. Let's proceed then:

1) Why is a grown woman so threatened by a girl's flirtateousness that she responds by quoting incredible ascerbic language to describe the behaviour?

2) As expressed in your ratings, why do you feel that my ode was anti-feminist? If you did not mean to agree with those sentiments, can you shed any light on your rating behaviour?

3) Also through rating you've endorsed a thread in which my wife is accused of being a man because she doesn't think like codemonkey_uk's wife, and supported his vitriolic assessment of my character in which I allegedly arrogantly presume to bully my wife into giving me permission to use her as a muse against her wishes. I am interesting in hearing your support for this point of view. I have serious curiosity about any woman who would endorse a point of view that so patently robs the woman in the situation of her decision-making dignity. My point in that particular exchange is that your ability to relate to a victim-mentality may have clouded your judgment with regard to what confident, non-abused women feel or think. Do you have something to say on the subject, or would you prefer to just play passive-aggressive games with ratings?

4) On another note but one thematically related in terms of being reluctant to get specific when it's asked of you, I'm still waiting for your support on the fact that Universal Vibration is a theory being actively debated by credible scientific authorities. You were supposed to provide me that info weeks ago, but never did.

5) If you honestly feel I cannot respect women and compare their behaviour to cats, do you honestly feel you can talk about respecting women and then call those discussing elements of their femininity "attention-whores"? The language is very telling. Please justify this apparent contradiction.

6) Why not just drop the charade of pseudo-feminist rhetoric and admit you were just feeling bitchy? Is that so hard?

Ready? Go!


I am from a small, unknown country in the north called Ca-na-da. We are a simple, grease-loving people who enjoy le weekend de ski.
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You did have questions in your head. by calla (2.66 / 3) #228 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 07:40:57 AM EST
Which include the kitchen sink.

I'm not psychic.

1. You're assuming I'm threatened. I'm not. I'm merely agreeing with persimmon that LFT is an attention whore.

2. I don't think you are an anti-feminist. I think you believe that your brand of hippy feminism is the only brand. I disagree.

3. I rated codemonkey's comments because they were funny.

4. As I told you before, I learned of universal vibration from Dr. Wayne Dyer. Take a look at this: current interest by the scientific community in universal vibration. It was a great series.

5. I didn't create the term 'attention whore'. I would have called attention whores something else.

6. I'm not feeling bitchy. I'm just supportive of persimmon. She's kick ass.

You've made many assumptions and inflammatory remarks. Please note that I have not.


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Whore! by CheeseburgerBrown (4.00 / 2) #233 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 07:58:50 AM EST
1. You abuse the word assumption a lot. I'm not assuming anything -- I'm judging by your behaviour. If you want to maintain the fiction that your reaction didn't broadcast your emotions, you go right ahead. If that's as far as your powers of introspection reach, I guess that's all we'll get. You're an insecure person...I can live with that.

2. Your interpretation of my beliefs is without basis (one might call it an "assumption"). Only people defensive over their own righteousness see similar righteousness in other's arguments when they're merely stating their point of view. So, you're insecure in your philosophies and project that. Whatever. You and codemonkey_uk can form a club.

3. You think that kind of misogynism is funny? Wow. Like I said, you're kinda a screwed-up chick, in my opinion.

4. That's the same link you posted before. Your self-appointed task was to point to a scientific debate, not a media debate. It's okay, though, I know why you couldn't find any -- there isn't any. I looked on your behalf.

5. I didn't say you coined the term. But you use it, and then deride me for saying "kitty" and brand it as contradictory to an alleged respect for women. Do you honestly fail to see the contradiction here?

6. Uh-huh. She's admitted she was just being bitchy. So your support has some extra baggage.

Indeed, you're not psychic. You're not even intuitive. In order to answer my questions (peppered throughout the threads, first polite and then less so) you had to have them explicitly re-stated. Pretty far from psychic.

I'm not interested in the fact that you feel you haven't been inflammatory after calling someone a whore, beyond the basic demonstration of your failure to appreciate how your behaviour may impress others.

You're reactionary and then you throw bullshit to cover your tracks, feign ignorance when called to task on it, and then imagine you've been sweet all along because of the way you play games. I'll stick by those accusations. You've proven the case well.

If it will make you feel better to call me some names, go right ahead. I have the proper context for understanding where you're coming from now.

P.S. Does the language in the subject line seem inflammatory to you now?


I am from a small, unknown country in the north called Ca-na-da. We are a simple, grease-loving people who enjoy le weekend de ski.
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It appears that you aren't even trying. by calla (2.00 / 0) #244 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 08:32:56 AM EST
1. You are attaching behavior to comments and passing judgment on your interpretation of the comment. Add a derogatory comment - that's your style.

2. Playing amateur psychologist? I thought you were a man of true science.

Why is your right to interpret my beliefs correct and my interpretation of your beliefs wrong? I haven't stated what I believe your beliefs are - so you are guessing my interpretation of your beliefs? Do you see the flaw in this? Stick with what you know.

3. Derogatory comment. I didn't see the comment as misogynistic.

4. What other way does the scientific community have to showcase their work than using the media? Seriously - NOVA's Elegant Universe discusses the current scientific debates by SCIENTISTS.

5. It's a term to describe a certain behavior. I see it as a gender neutral term. The catfight stuff you used is definitely only used on women (or gay men).

6. I also stated that even though I wasn't bitchy about everything, I supported persimmon.

If you want direct answers - ask direct questions. It's one of those rules of communication.

Could it be that you just don't like the term 'attention whore' and are giving it way more value than intended?

You've proven no case other than you have learned well how to be a bully.


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Boo-Hoo-Hoo! by CheeseburgerBrown (2.00 / 0) #249 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 08:48:21 AM EST
1. Denial ain't just a river, baby. Besideswhich, noting that you seem insecure isn't a derogatory comment in and of itself (although it may appear that way to somebody very insecure).

2. You protest too much, and once again brush aside the meat of the issue in favour of griping about presentation. Dodgey-McDodgers! (Out of curiosity, do you not count your clumsily veiled sarcastic barbs as either inflammatory or derogatory? If so, what a remarkable engine of rationalization you have!)

3. Right, I know you can't see it. That's why I said you're a screwed up chick. Like I said, that any woman would endorse that interpretation I find...creepy.

4. It's called peer review. Scientists don't generally catch on the latest happenings in their field by watching TV. Weren't you tooting your own horn as a veteran of the science industry? I imagine you already know this.

5. You assessment of the term "kitty" is flawed. It is often applied to anyone engaged in peurile, petty combatitiveness. Your ability to rationalize the use of "whore" while inflating the baggage on "kitty" is remarkable. As I said before, I was trying to find a less offensive way to say, "Why are you behaving in such a caustic way?"

6. Riiiiiight.

Could it be that you just don't like the term 'attention whore' and are giving it way more value than intended?

Actually, I don't like hypocrisy, or pseudo-feminism being used as foil to cover your reactionary ass.

You've proven no case other than you have learned well how to be a bully.

Cry me a river! I didn't say I proved my case, I said you did. And continue to. Good work!


I am from a small, unknown country in the north called Ca-na-da. We are a simple, grease-loving people who enjoy le weekend de ski.
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Dude by Bob Abooey (4.00 / 4) #264 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 09:32:29 AM EST
They've been waiting for you in the conference room for the past 45 minutes.

Warmest regards,
--Your best pal Bob

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Actually it is derogatory. by calla (2.00 / 2) #268 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 09:43:25 AM EST
Derogatory - expressive of a low opinion. Your comment claims that I'm less than secure. Your comment is also disparaging.

You presented no question to dodge. I simply made a comment about your comment. I'll admit that I have made some comments that expressed frustration in your inability to communicate effectively. That's all.

Humor is in the eye of the beholder. Given the kinds of chicks attracted to you (based on their ratings of your comments), I'd rather not be your kind of chick.

Peer review - often printed in magazines like Nature, Science, and Scientific American, etc. Something most folks call 'media'. I have worked for many years in the scientific community. Mostly pharmaceutical. What are your credentials?

Once again - I didn't use the term 'whore', you did. As for the kitty stuff - I responded to that in a previous comment. Instead of overthinking it next time, maybe you'd be better off just asking the question.

You'd be better off just taking people at their word, rather than assuming you know what they really mean. It's the key to good communication.


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Hmm by webwench (4.00 / 1) #275 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 10:12:36 AM EST
"Given the kinds of chicks attracted to you (based on their ratings of your comments), I'd rather not be your kind of chick."

You should so make a list and expound on who you dislike, and why! That would be fun!

Or perhaps 'catty' could come out of hiding and post some more good gossip in lieu of?


"What's the point of wearing your favorite rocketship underpants if nobody ever asks to see 'em?"

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You're not exactly buddies with by calla (2.00 / 0) #276 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 10:14:51 AM EST
Superdiva and meow - are you?


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Oh, that doesn't matter by webwench (2.00 / 0) #277 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 10:17:03 AM EST
I'm just interested to see where you're planning to take this. It's been fun so far!


"What's the point of wearing your favorite rocketship underpants if nobody ever asks to see 'em?"

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I'm not taking anything. by calla (2.66 / 3) #278 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 10:20:28 AM EST
When someone calls me names and cyber-hits me - I get all nostalgic.


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Watch Out! by CheeseburgerBrown (4.00 / 1) #281 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 10:55:14 AM EST
Regarding Credentials by CheeseburgerBrown (2.00 / 0) #280 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 10:53:05 AM EST
Peer review - often printed in magazines like Nature, Science, and Scientific American, etc. Something most folks call 'media'. I have worked for many years in the scientific community. Mostly pharmaceutical. What are your credentials?

Pretending not to know the difference between public television documentaries and peer review journals is disingenuous.

I've worked for a variety of top tier North American and European pharmaceutical and biotechnology companies for the better part of ten years, including communicating new findings and reporting on ongoing controversies to front-line staff, researchers and policy-makers.

You're right that "most folks" may lump peer reviewed journals in with TV media -- which is probably why peer review is seldom undertaken by plumbers, architects or salesmen. They don't get it.


I am from a small, unknown country in the north called Ca-na-da. We are a simple, grease-loving people who enjoy le weekend de ski.
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SciAm is peer reviewed? by Gully Foyle (2.00 / 0) #311 Wed Apr 05, 2006 at 01:11:44 AM EST
n/t

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Does this comment have your question? by calla (2.66 / 3) #217 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 06:50:17 AM EST
Because if it does - you didn't direct it to me.

I've shown you a small sampling of the history.

LFT is an attention whore. There's no ire or rancor there - I'm merely calling a spade a spade.


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"There's No Rancor There." by CheeseburgerBrown (2.00 / 0) #220 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 07:01:43 AM EST
Uh huh. You just called a girl a whore for talking about her tits in a tits forum.

Think about it.


I am from a small, unknown country in the north called Ca-na-da. We are a simple, grease-loving people who enjoy le weekend de ski.
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Are you unable to read for comprehension? by calla (2.66 / 3) #231 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 07:51:59 AM EST
Did you not click the link? Attention whore - it's a commonly used term. Not the same as 'whore'.

LFT is an attention whore not because of posting about her hatred of her tits here. She's an attention whore because of millions of posts by her. One comment does not an attention whore make.


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When You Pick A Bone With Your Enemies... by CheeseburgerBrown (2.00 / 0) #238 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 08:05:14 AM EST
...without visible context people are going to call you on your apparently massive antisocial behaviour.

Deal with it.

(It's also cute how you so quickly divorce your language from misogyny, but not mine. Kinda hypocritical.)


I am from a small, unknown country in the north called Ca-na-da. We are a simple, grease-loving people who enjoy le weekend de ski.
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Enough of the rude remarks. by calla (2.00 / 2) #255 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 09:17:41 AM EST
Or are you incapable of debate without calling names?

I am not the only one who can see the comments I linked to and identify them as comments from an attention whore. In fact - I wasn't the first person in your diary to mention it.

Where 'attention whore' is a term not belonging to only one gender - catfight/kitty/merow is. Misogyny is a hatred of women only.


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You're Hallucinating. by CheeseburgerBrown (2.00 / 0) #259 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 09:24:01 AM EST
There was not a single rude remark or name-calling in my comment. Are you picking on the word "antisocial"? Jesus Christ -- the person you claim to be supporting uses that term to describe her statements!

What's your damage?

So, you stick your bullshit. Good for you. If you don't have anything constructive to add, why go on?


I am from a small, unknown country in the north called Ca-na-da. We are a simple, grease-loving people who enjoy le weekend de ski.
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Just because persimmon is antisocial by calla (2.00 / 0) #271 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 09:51:58 AM EST
doesn't mean that I am. Where's your train of logic?

Rude - suggesting intentional discourtesy.

Are you saying that calling me antisocial wasn't intentionally discourteous?

Have you written any comments that weren't intentionally discourteous?


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overstate things much? by aphrael (2.00 / 0) #272 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 09:56:30 AM EST
any is a strong word. I think the likelihood that anyone who has posted thousands of comments has never once posted a comment that wasn't intentionally discourteous is infinitesmal.

Rhetoric is a fantastic tool, but it's easy to get carried away with it. :)
If television is a babysitter, the internet is a drunk librarian who won't shut up.

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Mistakenly, I wasn't precise with my statement. by calla (2.00 / 0) #273 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 10:00:52 AM EST
Is that really important?


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It depends on the context. by aphrael (2.00 / 0) #274 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 10:02:52 AM EST
I find that it's perfectly fine to be imprecise when having an amicable conversation amongst friends.

On the other hand, when i'm in an argument, i find that precision enhances clarity, reduces the likelihood that the other person will read things into what i am saying that i don't want, and increases the likelihood that i will be saying what i actually mean.

YMMV.

If television is a babysitter, the internet is a drunk librarian who won't shut up.

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I'm going to interject. by superdiva (4.00 / 5) #221 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 07:12:08 AM EST
You're in no position to criticize LFT.  In your heyday on K5 when you where mired in custody issues, abusive relationships, and general depression, you posted frequently.  You never missed an opportunity to elicit sympathy from your fanboys.

Now that you're fucking someone on HuSi and run with the "cool kids" your attitude has become significantly more haughty and mean.

Former victims tend to be more cruel when they get their turn to give the beatings it seems.

_________________________________________________


For we are many....

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Criticism? by calla (3.00 / 4) #223 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 07:26:23 AM EST
There's been no criticism.

I've never denied my past attention whoring. Some of my attention whoring diaries were art.


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Point and Match. by CheeseburgerBrown (2.00 / 0) #225 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 07:38:16 AM EST
Funny -- half an hour goes by and you choose to reply only to superdiva, but leave my clear questions (re-delivered at your behest) unaddressed yet again.

Perhaps I'm being too hasty -- perhaps you're working hard on your replies. We can always hope.

Meanwhile, my money's on: calla feels cornered again, and will therefore not deign to answer.


I am from a small, unknown country in the north called Ca-na-da. We are a simple, grease-loving people who enjoy le weekend de ski.
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I've got kids to take care of by calla (2.66 / 3) #230 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 07:44:32 AM EST
and bills to pay.

You think I have time to just sit around writing comments for you?


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Yes -- All Day Long! by CheeseburgerBrown (2.00 / 0) #237 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 08:03:38 AM EST
It just seemed strange when your flurry of posts slowed to a trickle. But, like I said, perhaps I was being hasty.


I am from a small, unknown country in the north called Ca-na-da. We are a simple, grease-loving people who enjoy le weekend de ski.
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Ladies! by ammoniacal (4.00 / 1) #224 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 07:36:07 AM EST
Be nice! There's enough for everyone!

"To this day that was the most bullshit caesar salad I have every experienced..." - triggerfinger

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You're Oppressing Them! by CheeseburgerBrown (2.00 / 0) #227 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 07:39:31 AM EST
Am I? by ammoniacal (4.00 / 1) #229 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 07:43:52 AM EST
Goodness gracious! I'll have to ease up a notch.

"To this day that was the most bullshit caesar salad I have every experienced..." - triggerfinger

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Whatever You Do... by CheeseburgerBrown (4.00 / 2) #239 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 08:05:56 AM EST
I do want to thank you, tiammoniacal... by superdiva (4.00 / 1) #235 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 07:59:19 AM EST
...for explaining the facts about my boobs to me.  It's helped me become more "in touch" with myself.

_________________________________________________


For we are many....
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I always liked that avatar thing by webwench (2.00 / 0) #241 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 08:12:05 AM EST
Where did it come from?


"What's the point of wearing your favorite rocketship underpants if nobody ever asks to see 'em?"

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it's a Radiohead thing by 606 (2.00 / 0) #289 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 11:49:57 AM EST
pretty sure.

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thanks by webwench (2.00 / 0) #290 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 11:59:10 AM EST
I'll have to go hunting for that.


"What's the point of wearing your favorite rocketship underpants if nobody ever asks to see 'em?"

[ Parent ]
You're welcome. by ammoniacal (4.00 / 1) #309 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 09:56:25 PM EST
I like to think that I'm doing God's work.

"To this day that was the most bullshit caesar salad I have every experienced..." - triggerfinger

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awesome! by garlic (4.00 / 1) #245 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 08:40:23 AM EST
It sounds better coming from you than from me.


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Dude, by Driusan (4.00 / 1) #251 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 08:54:31 AM EST
She had to go back to last year for 2/3 of them.

--
Vive le Montréal libre.
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I stole them from someplace else. by calla (2.00 / 0) #285 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 11:26:25 AM EST
But I'd hardly consider Dec 23 that long ago.


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Since we're friends and all that... by NoMoreNicksLeft (4.00 / 3) #234 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 07:58:53 AM EST
You'll give me 3 days lead before the hunt begins, won't you? And none of this working me to death if I am caught, just send me to the ovens.
--
Do not look directly into laser with remaining good eye.
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Um, hello? by FlightTest (4.00 / 8) #117 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 11:50:05 AM EST

This entire SITE is based on attention-whoring. Well, that and voyeurism. If people didn't want attention, they'd write their damn diaries in a little notebook (or if they're really nerds, in a text file somewhere) and lock them away from everyone.

LFT is hardly even a contender for attention-whoring around here. And while I certainly don't have an unbiased view, I don't think she's up there amongst the true whiners.

It's a fact of life that large breasts can be uncomfortable from time to time. At least, I don't know any large breasted women (as in, D cup or larger) who don't complain about them from time to time. LFT was just making a comment about that.



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hi by persimmon (4.00 / 1) #124 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 12:59:56 PM EST
I don't care what you postulate the site or its users to be based on or motivated by, respectively. I downrate things which annoy me. Many things don't; that did.
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"Nature is such a fucking plagarist."
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If you don't want responses, by FlightTest (4.00 / 2) #157 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 06:53:38 PM EST
Don't comment.



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if you don't want to come off as condescending by persimmon (4.00 / 3) #158 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 07:09:02 PM EST
perhaps you shouldn't be.
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"Nature is such a fucking plagarist."
[ Parent ]
Pot. Kettle. Black. [n/t] by FlightTest (4.00 / 3) #159 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 07:20:55 PM EST


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Racist. $ by CheeseburgerBrown (4.00 / 2) #178 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 04:11:16 AM EST
tps12ist by garlic (4.00 / 3) #183 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 04:33:58 AM EST


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I disagree. by calla (2.66 / 3) #164 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 09:25:27 PM EST
The site is not about attention whoring. In fact, I believe that there are very few attention whores here. Most of us share ideas and experiences. I share this and you share that. Back and forth.

Then there are the few here that can only comment about themselves and whine for compliments and attention.

Some attention whores actually contribute to the site. anonimouse is probably our biggest attention whore - yet he's also a witty, intelligent contributor.

You, Sir FlightTest, are hardly an attention whore. You are one of our patriarchs - giving out advice as if you were Jimmy Stewart.


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Arguably by aphrael (4.00 / 1) #205 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 06:10:31 AM EST
sharing ideas and experiences is a more refined form of attention whoring. :)
If television is a babysitter, the internet is a drunk librarian who won't shut up.
[ Parent ]
Urban Dictionary definition of by calla (2.00 / 0) #209 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 06:19:53 AM EST
attention whore.

Most of those definitions make attention whores only female - which I don't agree with.

Would you argue that just living on this planet with other people is attention whoring?


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I would not make such an argument, no. by aphrael (3.75 / 4) #243 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 08:30:20 AM EST
Nor have I done so, even implicitly.

I post for many different reasons. One of those reasons is that many of the people here I consider friends, and I want to chat with them. But, note: why do I chat with my friends? Because I enjoy their company, because I am interested in their lives ... and because I enjoy recieving their attention.

Seeking attention is not and has never been my sole motiviating purpose; but I would be a liar were I to claim that it was not a purpose at all, and I would be delusional were I to believe it.

I doubt very much that there is a person here for whom that is not true.

So how does that make what i'm doing not a form of attention whoring? At the end of the day, how is what I do here, or what you do, or what CBB does, different in kind from what LFT is doing that you find so annoying?
If television is a babysitter, the internet is a drunk librarian who won't shut up.

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I didn't implicate that you did. by calla (2.66 / 3) #246 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 08:42:57 AM EST
I was just illustrating the flaw in your argument.

Did you look at the samples and read the Urban dictionary definition of 'attention whore'?

You aren't an attention whore. Your comments often contribute to discussion of many topics other than yourself. When the majority of your comments merely bring attention to yourself - that's when you'll be an attention whore.

Is that clear?


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About That Interpretation... by CheeseburgerBrown (4.00 / 3) #143 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 04:33:27 PM EST
...not just irritating whiny attention-whores with my name who make obvious ploys for attention based on physical attributes.

If there were to be a time when it was appropriate for attention to come to a comment about physical attributes, wouldn't it here and now?

I'm just saying: if there's a time and place for everything, the sin you're describing sounds positively topical given the diary and ensuing discussion.

Context is important. And without any further context for your comments, your position seems fairly indefensible.


I am from a small, unknown country in the north called Ca-na-da. We are a simple, grease-loving people who enjoy le weekend de ski.
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on-topic by persimmon (4.00 / 2) #154 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 05:52:15 PM EST
is not germane to the irritation. I'm an asshole, and it's not defensible, and I stand by my LFT insults as fact.

Good day.
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"Nature is such a fucking plagarist."

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I Appreciate Your Candor. by CheeseburgerBrown (4.00 / 1) #168 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 02:10:43 AM EST
IAWTP by toxicfur (4.00 / 2) #30 Sun Apr 02, 2006 at 02:50:56 PM EST
One more positive for the not-spawning plan. I preferred it when I weighed 120 lbs. and had about an A cup. I never wore a bra then, and it was great. Stupid girl-bodies.
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I grew a pair of balls for a while, and felt the high that well-wielded genitals can induce. - Norah Vincent, Self-Made Man
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damn genetics by LilFlightTest (2.00 / 0) #36 Sun Apr 02, 2006 at 04:23:03 PM EST
i'd prefer to trade with other family members, in that respect.
Send me to Austria!
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IAAWTP by StackyMcRacky (4.00 / 1) #60 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 05:02:03 AM EST
god, I fear to see how big mine will get :(

I miss the days of being a C.

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I bet he doesn't... by wiredog (4.00 / 1) #64 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 05:47:56 AM EST


Earth First!
(We can strip mine the rest later.)

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Is there something you're not telling us? by georgeha (2.00 / 0) #68 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 06:35:46 AM EST
Or is that just a some unspecified time in the future worry.


[ Parent ]
teh futar worry by StackyMcRacky (4.00 / 1) #70 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 07:14:02 AM EST


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I know what you mean. by ambrosen (4.00 / 3) #67 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 06:26:26 AM EST
I can never find trousers with enough room in the crotch either. It's painful when it's too tight.

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It is annoying.. by littlestar (4.00 / 1) #144 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 04:35:38 PM EST
It hurts when I roll over in the night, it wakes me up. When they are so full of milk the pressure causes milk to leak so I have to were my bra ALL THE TIME with flippin pads. Highly annoying. I didn't where my bra one night and woke up in a puddle of milk. It was crazy.
*twinkle*twinkle*


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I hear ya... by Mrs FlightTest (2.00 / 0) #160 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 07:52:42 PM EST
that is about them gettin in the way. Fortunately (or unfortunately depending on how you look at it) I don't have to worry about childbirth, labor or any of the other physical changes that come with that.

I do however have to put up with them gettin in the way & causing problems finding a comfortable sleeping position. Not to mention making it difficult to find clothes that fit properly.

Back & neck aches are a common occurrence, including the lovely creases made in my shoulders from the weight.

Wheeee...Flyin' is Fun!!

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Hey by ucblockhead (4.00 / 4) #22 Sun Apr 02, 2006 at 10:54:42 AM EST
I got an email the other day with that *exact* same title.
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lol what? by rmg (2.00 / 0) #24 Sun Apr 02, 2006 at 01:24:01 PM EST
wtf?




[t]rolling retards conversation, period.
Your Most Insightful Comment Ever. by CheeseburgerBrown (4.00 / 1) #25 Sun Apr 02, 2006 at 01:39:29 PM EST
whatchu talkin' 'bout, willis? by rmg (2.00 / 0) #26 Sun Apr 02, 2006 at 01:49:04 PM EST
Has Ownership Of rmg Changed Hands? by CheeseburgerBrown (4.00 / 2) #28 Sun Apr 02, 2006 at 01:52:27 PM EST
I see. by rmg (2.00 / 0) #29 Sun Apr 02, 2006 at 01:58:45 PM EST
should i take this to mean you won't be participating in rmg's laundry day?

as a non-three letter club member, you aren't required (but are certainly encouraged) to participate.




[t]rolling retards conversation, period.

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if i didn't see this comment... by gzt (2.00 / 0) #32 Sun Apr 02, 2006 at 03:18:39 PM EST
...i would have missed it!

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Blame Marketing by CheeseburgerBrown (2.00 / 0) #33 Sun Apr 02, 2006 at 03:30:22 PM EST
what luck! by rmg (4.00 / 1) #34 Sun Apr 02, 2006 at 03:30:25 PM EST
you'd have been the only one sitting in your tenfold worn clothes, smelling and wondering why everyone's doing laundry and writing diaries about it. i daresay you'd scarce be able to believe what the fuck was going on.




[t]rolling retards conversation, period.
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littlestar's rack by xena (4.00 / 3) #38 Sun Apr 02, 2006 at 05:26:23 PM EST
the wonders of a breastfeeding woman!
your breasts do look very nice, i know it's a bit strange for me to comment on them, but with that picture up there how could i not?
glad to hear you're using the pump.
and cbb, glad to hear you're enjoying the mammories.

Weren't you @ HuSistock? by ammoniacal (4.00 / 1) #39 Sun Apr 02, 2006 at 06:04:42 PM EST
Perhaps yet another CBB relative then.

"To this day that was the most bullshit caesar salad I have every experienced..." - triggerfinger

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CBB's sis. by calla (4.00 / 2) #41 Sun Apr 02, 2006 at 06:57:12 PM EST
I think she left the day before we arrived.


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Thanks cutie! by littlestar (4.00 / 1) #146 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 04:42:25 PM EST
I take all compliments! Why not if you're giving them out. I have always felt that my breasts and hair are my best physical assests.

The pump is working very well! Thank you so much.
*twinkle*twinkle*


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nt by chuckles (4.00 / 4) #43 Sun Apr 02, 2006 at 09:31:19 PM EST
(nice tits)

"The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin [...] would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities"
+1FP, tits by nebbish (4.00 / 3) #46 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 12:49:38 AM EST

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It's political correctness gone mad!

See, by blixco (4.00 / 7) #48 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 02:40:17 AM EST
this is precisely the sort of thing that would get me fired from the job of husband.
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Taken out of context I must seem so strange - Ani DiFranco
Really? by CheeseburgerBrown (4.00 / 1) #61 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 05:33:46 AM EST
well by codemonkey uk (3.50 / 6) #63 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 05:46:52 AM EST
it seems like you married a man in a womens body

most women would object to this kind of commentry, for no logical reason whatsoever.

--- Thad ---
Almost as Smart As you.

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That's Not A Gender Issue. by CheeseburgerBrown (4.00 / 5) #72 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 07:32:25 AM EST
It's just self-confidence.

(Which, I guess, is a gender issue since a lot of women have really poor self-esteem.)


I am from a small, unknown country in the north called Ca-na-da. We are a simple, grease-loving people who enjoy le weekend de ski.
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That's part of it, by blixco (4.00 / 3) #86 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 10:03:28 AM EST
and I think part of it is being judged based only on boob size / shape / general condition.

How'd you like to go through your life judged initially only on appearence?  Or on the bulge in your pants?  Those initial judgements, when you assume people are forming an opinion of you...what if they were just basing their opinion on your cock?
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Taken out of context I must seem so strange - Ani DiFranco

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I Call Shennanigans! by CheeseburgerBrown (4.00 / 4) #95 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 10:30:08 AM EST
and I think part of it is being judged based only on boob size...

Whoa there, buddy -- now you've jumped off the not-making-sense cliff. Are you honestly telling me that if I admire my wife's breasts they are therefore the only criteria by which she's measured?

If I wrote a diary about how nicely to write, am I also damning the rest of you?

What kind of tripe is that?

How'd you like to go through your life judged initially only on appearence?

Most of us do go through life being judged chiefly (or at least firstly) based on appearences. Why do you think I'm wearing a suit to work?

Am I understanding correctly that your point of view is founded on the idea that since women's sexuality can be objectified, any work on the subject therefore is objectification?


I am from a small, unknown country in the north called Ca-na-da. We are a simple, grease-loving people who enjoy le weekend de ski.
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Nope. by blixco (4.00 / 3) #97 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 10:32:29 AM EST
You don't think chicks get judged only on their appearence, whereas guy with suit gets judged on his appearence and his merits?  There was a whole movement in the mid-20th century around this.  Maybe they were wrong.

Meh.  I'm tired.

How's the weather there?
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Taken out of context I must seem so strange - Ani DiFranco

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Stormy. by CheeseburgerBrown (4.00 / 2) #99 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 10:34:15 AM EST
Yeah, I see your point of view -- I'm just not into historical baggage, I guess.

I've always felt the best way for men and women to be treated equally is for me, myself, to treat them so.

I also treat black people without regard to slavery, and Chinamen without regard to laundry.

The past is the past.


I am from a small, unknown country in the north called Ca-na-da. We are a simple, grease-loving people who enjoy le weekend de ski.
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Well, by blixco (4.00 / 1) #101 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 10:37:06 AM EST
your social ability is truly to be admired.  Me, I have to get along with other people in ways that they find acceptable.  I'm funny that way.

But hey, I'm apparently a racist.  Huh.  Have to add that to my list of skills.
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Taken out of context I must seem so strange - Ani DiFranco

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Aren't All Texans Racist? by CheeseburgerBrown (4.00 / 1) #104 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 10:46:33 AM EST
Yes by theboz (2.00 / 0) #174 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 03:29:51 AM EST
In fact, our leader, Beyonce Knowles, is in charge of the KKK.
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That's what I always say about you, boz, you have a good memory for random facts about pussy. -- joh3n
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treating people equally by tps12 (4.00 / 3) #108 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 11:06:13 AM EST
Members of oppressed groups are going to be defined by society by their identities, and in that context, awareness of historical injustice and its modern manifestations is an essential survival skill.

It's easy (and tempting) for me as a white man to say "hey, I don't have a problem with black people...why do people keep going on about all that old slavery stuff?" But doing so denies those who don't have the option of ignoring history a legitimate voice: it's not up to straight white men how women or Chinese people or anyone else should address historical oppression. Someone's going to have to lug that historical baggage; the least a person of privelage can do is help share the load.

The relevant point to this thread is that isn't your or blixco's or my place to decide what kind of public discussion or display of any given woman's body she should be comfortable with. You may be correct that a woman's reluctance to have her body put on display is rooted in a culture of misogyny, but in the context of the misogynist society we live in that reluctance can be completely rational. The only role a man can play in this discussion is to accept, respect, and try to understand the voices of the women who can't just opt out of it.

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Being Equal, Thinking Equal, Living Equal by CheeseburgerBrown (4.00 / 1) #110 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 11:15:10 AM EST
The relevant point to this thread is that isn't your or blixco's or my place to decide what kind of public discussion or display of any given woman's body she should be comfortable with.

Why not? It's not like we have the power to enforce comfort on someone. Why shouldn't we discuss how we think they ought to feel, given such and such context? Inquiry abets learning.

it's not up to straight white men how women or Chinese people or anyone else should address historical oppression.

It's up to the individual, when it comes down to it. And, as a single human man, I treat others as I'd like to be treated myself. (Think big, act small.) It is up to me to decide how I respond to systemic racism or misogyny or hate, and it's up to you, too.

If some black dude is upset by that, it's up to him to say something to me. Otherwise, it's a non-issue.

awareness of historical injustice and its modern manifestations is an essential survival skill.

Awareness is warranted, sure. But awareness does not constrain my actions, it informs them.


I am from a small, unknown country in the north called Ca-na-da. We are a simple, grease-loving people who enjoy le weekend de ski.
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of course it's up to you by tps12 (4.00 / 1) #111 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 11:36:10 AM EST
I'm just pointing out that the ability to address oppression by acting as though it doesn't exist (without suffering negative repurcussions) is exclusive to a privelaged few. Regardless of how we treat others, society as a whole will reward us disproportionately by dint of our privelage, and every privelaged person deals with that in their own way. Personally, I don't think it's enough to abstain from rape and cross-burning and hope everyone else does the same.

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Fair Enough - Here's Your Challenge: by CheeseburgerBrown (4.00 / 2) #113 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 11:42:20 AM EST
Personally, I don't think it's enough to abstain from rape and cross-burning and hope everyone else does the same.

I act against such hate by leading by example, which is indirect but genuine. How do you actively work against hate?

Which rape did you stop last week? Which burning cross did you extinguish?

I know no better way to show my black countryman he is my neighbour than by being his neighbourly neighbour. I am, however, open to your suggestions for more direct action. How would you have me treat my black countryman differently than I already do?


I am from a small, unknown country in the north called Ca-na-da. We are a simple, grease-loving people who enjoy le weekend de ski.
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shoot white cops (nt) by tps12 (2.00 / 0) #115 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 11:45:22 AM EST


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All Shit, No Bull. by CheeseburgerBrown (4.00 / 1) #119 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 11:56:08 AM EST
seriously by tps12 (3.66 / 3) #123 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 12:39:13 PM EST
Don't let minority voices get drowned out or ignored. Operate on the assumption that the white male perspective is not necessarily welcome or useful in every discussion. In general, recognize that your privelage gives your voice a bigger megaphone without your having done anything to deserve it, and adjust your input volume accordingly.

And so forth, along similar lines in areas other than speech. E.g., promote corporate and public policies that counteract institutional bias, be aware of the impact your lifestyle has on others, shoot white cops, &c.

Most importantly, of course, be vigilant in pointing out Racism (nt) wherever on the internets you encounter it.

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see, this is where i get grumpy. by aphrael (4.00 / 2) #128 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 01:36:07 PM EST
"The white male perspective". You've just condensed everything I might have to say into a stereotype. Why do you assume that all white males think the same thing? And why should I assume that what i'm thinking or saying at any given time is in any way representative of that group?

My individual perspective may or may not be useful to a conversation, depending on what that conversation is. But the presumption that what I would say is somehow representative of the entire class of white males is obnoxious, and quite frankly somewhat sexist and racist.
If television is a babysitter, the internet is a drunk librarian who won't shut up.

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It's pretty simple by ucblockhead (4.00 / 2) #129 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 01:57:10 PM EST
He blames his negative feelings and his feelings of guilt on the group he belongs to in order to absolve himself of any blame, and to make him feel superior when he "overcomes" them. In other words, if he thinks something nasty about a woman, he can blame it on society and if he treats that person well, he can congratulate himself on how much better he is then the rest of us.

He does it because it lets him believe he's superior to you, I, CBB and other priviledged white males.

Don't for a second mistake his schtick for real concern.
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and once again by tps12 (2.00 / 0) #170 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 03:06:57 AM EST
We deal with privelage in our own ways, some by denying it exists.

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Wow-- by ammoniacal (4.00 / 2) #176 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 03:54:34 AM EST
That's amazingly similar to how fundies address the problem of atheists in the flock.

I have a keen appreciation of your rigid mind-set. Thanks for clarifying your position.

"To this day that was the most bullshit caesar salad I have every experienced..." - triggerfinger

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what? by tps12 (2.00 / 0) #182 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 04:31:04 AM EST
How does it differ from anyone saying "I believe x and you don't"?

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He's saying that by calla (4.00 / 1) #189 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 04:51:18 AM EST
fundies insist, despite his objections, that he has an "undying soul".

You insist, despite his objections, "white privilege".


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and by tps12 (4.00 / 1) #193 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 05:19:25 AM EST
Physicists insist that gravity makes apples fall. It isn't a serious argument, just an attempt to associate my position with some unsavory group's. A game at which two may play: David Duke also denies that white privelage is a problem.

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The difference by ucblockhead (4.00 / 1) #215 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 06:49:01 AM EST
Is that physicists can prove it without begging the question.

The analogy is apt. Biblethumpers know they are right because it says so in the bible. You know you are right about white priviledge because you don't deny white privilege. It's called "tautalogy".
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sort of right by tps12 (2.00 / 0) #232 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 07:52:40 AM EST
I do think that the existence of white privelege, straight privilege, and male privelege, even if only historically, is obvious to anyone who bothers to look at our society honestly. And I have no idea how to go about convincing someone who believes otherwise of that fact. On this issue, I suppose I am a fundamentalist.

That said, there is room for disagreement and debate w/r/t the implications of privelege. Some people recognize it and think it's right, or at least not wrong: either white men are just naturally more capable than group X or history has situated them that way, but either way it's rational to accept some slight bias in their favor as a simple reflection of reality. Others think it's regrettable but can't conceive of any remedy, or any that isn't worse than the problem. Others think privelege has already been so overwhelmed by multiculturalism and feminism that white men are now on the losing side of the inequality. And others think those movements have only scratched the surface of what a truly equal society would look like. In this debate, I have an opinion like anyone else, and furthermore feel comfortable arguing for its correctness on other than fundamental grounds.

Based on the exists/is-omnipotent distinction drawn in your other comment, I take it you acknowledge the existence of some sort of white male privelege, if only historically. We may disagree on the implications, but I think each of our positions is arrived at rationally and honestly held; accusations of fundamentalism only serve to skirt the debate.

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Gord by ucblockhead (2.00 / 0) #240 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 08:11:57 AM EST
You're so clueless about what I actually believe...it'd be amusing if it weren't so sad...

I'd go on, but trying to explain a complex position to a fanatic is a waste of time. If you ever get to the point where you can get beyond "white == bad, man == wrong", we can talk. Until then there's no point in wasting words.

At the very least you need to think a bit about that other great "ism", class, and about how perhaps not all caucasians have had the same advantages that you have.
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please, explain by tps12 (2.00 / 0) #248 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 08:45:55 AM EST
If by explain you mean actual explanations and not your usual name-calling. All I know about what you believe is that you believe I'm a fanatic, because that's all you ever seem to tell me.

Good point about classism. I was using "white male" as shorthand and wasn't trying to be exhaustive, but there are obviously all sorts of other oppressed groups that I didn't mention.

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Stop being so black and white by ucblockhead (2.00 / 0) #258 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 09:23:41 AM EST
People don't fall into neat "oppressed" and "oppressor" groups.

I've told you mean times. Your arguments are tautalogies. You always beg the question. That isn't "name calling".

You always assume what you are claiming to prove. You discard any arguments that don't agree with your thesis as being based on cultural evils and when presented with any evidence that this isn't entirely the case, you immediately discard *that* as being based on certain cultural evils.

Honestly, the best evidence of your fanaticism was our little "testosterone" discussion in the hole a few months back, where despite utterly failing to come up with any counterarguments or counterevidence, you still utterly refused to question the rightness of your own views.

There is a term for using phrases like "white male" as shorthand. It's called "prejudice".
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name-calling by tps12 (2.00 / 0) #263 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 09:31:24 AM EST
"Clueless," "fanatic." ISTR you've said worse, but I won't bother looking it up.

So you think my arguments are tautologies. Duly noted. I'm still waiting for you to bother explaining what you believe (other than that you don't much care for me...we're clear on that).

Testosterone impacts behavior. Check it out, my views have evolved!

Whining about prejudice, very cute, whitey.

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Oh, I admit that by ucblockhead (2.00 / 0) #265 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 09:37:01 AM EST
I've called you lots of names...but given that your hole schtick started as name-calling.

Anyway, consider "fanatic" as a shorthand for "uses tautalogical arguments and ignores contrary evidence". That's not what I "think". It's pretty easy to show...something I've done repeatedly. And as I said, arguing with fanatics is pointless. If you ever learn to pay attention and consider other views, you can probably go back, do some rereading, and learn what I believe.

Though here's a hint: People like you do as much damage to the cause of equal rights as the David Dukes of the world.

And I'm not whining...merely showing that you're a hypocrit. You're one of the most racist, sexist, classist people on this site.
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hellooo by tps12 (2.00 / 0) #282 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 11:09:51 AM EST
I just pointed out an instance (the effect of testosterone on behavior) where I've been persuaded to change a belief I've held in response to your arguments. Therefore, arguing with me is not pointless, and we can conclude by syllogism that I'm not a fanatic (merely, evidently, a Klansman).

I don't think you can show that I've been hypocritical here, as I've never claimed not to have internalized racist, sexist, classist attitudes. In fact, I believe I've frequently claimed the opposite in good faith.

And you still haven't enlightened me as to what you actually believe, my cluelessness of which sparked this invigorating round of Why Tps12 is the Real Villain. Here is the only part of my comment that posited anything about your beliefs:

Based on the exists/is-omnipotent distinction drawn in your other comment, I take it you acknowledge the existence of some sort of white male privelege, if only historically. We may disagree on the implications, but I think each of our positions is arrived at rationally and honestly held.
If your only complaint was that I left out other types of privilege (class, straight, &c.) then I think we've addressed that and I agree. If I've gotten you wrong on some other count, then please, share.

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My complaint by ucblockhead (4.00 / 1) #286 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 11:29:51 AM EST
Is that you spout a fundamentally irrational line as fact and use that to accuse other people of having improper thoughts. ("sexist")

What you clearly don't realize is that you do indeed, have internalized racist, sexist and classist attitudes, but that these internalized attitudes are not what you think they are. Let's just say your pendulum has overcorrected.

My belief is that people are different in many different ways, both environmentally, and biologically, and that any particular grouping you care to name has certain somewhat common traits, but on the other hand, all lines between groupings are inherently fuzzy so that any generalizion about a grouping is wrong unless a qualifying word like "most" is included. In other words, "White men have internalized misogynist beliefs" is as fully innacurate as "women aren't comfortable showing off their bodies".

Yes, that's confusing and hard to pin down, but that's because reality is gooey and fuzzy and can't be put in little boxes labeled "patriarchy" and "oppressed peoples".

And that's my fundamental problem with you. You *claim* to be all about fighting the isms, but you are by far the biggest purveyor of stereotype and prejudice on this site.

And that's sad.

But what is truly the worst part of it all is that your fanatical beliefs and your elitist attitude waft off you so clearly that you hurt the very thing you purport to defend. You're a fucking walking strawman, the sort the O'Reillys of the world just love to get on their program.

Understand now?
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sort of understand by tps12 (2.00 / 0) #287 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 11:42:30 AM EST
Sexist thoughts aren't "improper." They're just sexist.

I would argue that just because something is not clearly delineated doesn't mean it can't be addressed: society may not fit into a little box labelled "patriarchy," but big honking aspects of it can be better understood when informed by the big gooey fuzzy notion of "patriarchy." Obviously there are gray areas everywhere, I don't disagree.

I know where you're going with the O'Reilly comment. Bear in mind that I'm not a media figure and I'm not running for public office: not everyone needs to be a poster child for Responsible Liberalism. PM me if you want me to elaborate.

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No by ucblockhead (2.00 / 0) #288 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 11:44:39 AM EST
I do not want you to elaborate. You're condescension is enough here, thank you very much.
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did i make you cry? by tps12 (2.00 / 0) #291 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 12:02:00 PM EST
Condescending beats openly hostile in my book. Do me a favor and just don't reignite this one next time you're scandalized by a comment of mine. We never get anywhere and your delicate constitution clearly can't handle it.

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when by ucblockhead (2.00 / 0) #294 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 12:22:05 PM EST
You hurt a cause I care about by being a walking strawman in public, I damn well will start a discussion.

I just have no desire to talk to you in private as I know that I damn well won't convice *you* of anything.
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Hey Mr. Black and White world by ucblockhead (2.00 / 0) #216 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 06:49:51 AM EST
There's a difference between "exists" and "is omnipotent".
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who thinks whos superior? by garlic (2.00 / 0) #185 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 04:37:18 AM EST


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You forgot an apostrophe (nt) by ucblockhead (2.00 / 0) #218 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 06:50:37 AM EST

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see by tps12 (2.00 / 0) #169 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 03:05:01 AM EST
Look how outraged you are that someone might not want to hear your individual opinion. That's privelage talking. It has nothing to do with thinking all white men think the same (clearly, for example, you and I differ).

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eh? by aphrael (4.00 / 2) #201 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 05:55:52 AM EST
i don't think i've ever denied that there are priviliges which attach to being white, nor have i ever said that that's not a bad thing.

what i am outraged at here is that you are lumping all white people together and dismissing them in exactly the same way that a white racist might lump all [$race] people to gether and dismiss them.

that seems monumentally unfair. :)
If television is a babysitter, the internet is a drunk librarian who won't shut up.

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well, i don't think i'm doing that by tps12 (4.00 / 1) #214 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 06:42:37 AM EST
But maybe I'm being unclear. What I mean is, there are some discussions that need to be able to take place in an environment where white male voices are not automatically indulged as they usually are in our society.

E.g., a conversation among women of how best to negotiate the balance of home and professional life is not lacking in richness for want of a male perspective (any male perspective). As a man, I may contribute to such a conversation if my thoughts are solicited, but if not then I will (hopefully) be respectful enough to recognize that the mere fact that I have an opinion does not imply a right to have it heard.

I'm really not talking about lumping. More like: even though we as white men have grown up knowing that our opinions on everything are deserving of airtime and need to be declared, loudly, we can actually contribute more to the entire discussion sometimes by just chilling out and listening for a change.

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Lumping by aphrael (4.00 / 2) #242 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 08:25:45 AM EST
You do seem to be talking about lumping. Or, at the very least, you seem to be asserting that the most important aspect of a white male is his white maleness.

Your comment #123 said "Operate on the assumption that the white male perspective is not necessarily welcome or useful in every discussion." Now, I'm willing to concede that my perspective may not be welcome or useful in a given discussion. A discussion about how beautiful breasts are is usually a discussion in which I will keep quiet: a gay male perspective is generally not wanted there.

But what troubles me about the comment is the presumption that my perspective is "the white male perspective". It might just as well be "the gay male perspective". Or "the white trash perspective". Or "the California stoner perspective". Or the "taoist perspective". Or the "software engineer perspective", etc. Yet you are advising me to assume that, because I'm a white male, and because my perspective is "the white male perspective", assume that my perspective is not necessarily welcome.

How is that not racist?

Of course there are some discussions in which I should sit back, shut up, and listen. There are many such discussions. But that is true not because I am a white male but because I can learn much by listening to perspectives and voices other than my own, and because I do not have a monopoly on wisdom. My gender, my sexuality, and the color of my skin are not relevant to the question.

If television is a babysitter, the internet is a drunk librarian who won't shut up.

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i see by tps12 (2.00 / 0) #253 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 09:03:08 AM EST
I was trying to suggest that some white men might see their own contributions to those kinds of discussions as being essential by providing "the white male perspective." Like, "look at all these black people complaining about racism in the justice system...they really need to hear my perspective!" I understand that the actual views the person wants to express may be anything at all—they may just want to express their solidarity with the complainers—but it's the attitude of entitlement to voice one's opinion that is the issue.

As for your perspective being that of a gay male, software engineer, &c. Valid points, and it depends on the discussion: I don't mean to advocate abstaining from a business discussion with two fellow programmers who happen to be non-white.

My feeling is that your gender, sexuality, skin color, socioeconomic class, and everything else, are relevant, inescapably, to discussions among minorities about how those traits interact with society. And your opinion may be welcome, but in those situations that is something for the people having the discussion to decide, not something to be assumed. Really, I am just saying the same thing you are about listening to others and not having a monopoly on wisdom, but with the additional note that society may tend to privelege your opinion above others' in certain situations because of your identity, and IMHO it's worthwhile to be conscious of that and not take advantage of it.

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Pabulum. by CheeseburgerBrown (2.00 / 0) #145 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 04:39:39 PM EST
I asked you a couple of specific questions in response to your comments, and you respond with generalities.

I understand how my awareness of history has shaped my actions -- I was asking about your actions (not your awareness), since you seemed to be questioning the efficacy of mine.


I am from a small, unknown country in the north called Ca-na-da. We are a simple, grease-loving people who enjoy le weekend de ski.
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i try to do those things by tps12 (2.00 / 0) #171 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 03:07:26 AM EST
Especially the white cops bit.

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without regard to laundry, you say? by rmg (2.00 / 0) #320 Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 01:25:24 PM EST
Same reason by blixco (4.00 / 3) #65 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 05:58:44 AM EST
she'd not like any sort of comments about her anatomy: it's not anyone else's business.
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Taken out of context I must seem so strange - Ani DiFranco
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So She's Painfully Shy Or Something? by CheeseburgerBrown (4.00 / 1) #71 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 07:30:42 AM EST
Why would she be ashamed of discussion of features of her anatomy discernable by strangers walking past her in a mall?

It's not like I'm revisiting the whole "what colour are your wife's pubes" issue or anything secret like that.

If your wife wrote a diary complimenting you on your adorable and sexy little man-rump, would you be flattered or mortified?


I am from a small, unknown country in the north called Ca-na-da. We are a simple, grease-loving people who enjoy le weekend de ski.
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just face it by codemonkey uk (2.50 / 4) #77 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 08:14:23 AM EST
you married a big breasted man

women just arn't like that, comparing how blixo would feel is uttertly irrelevent, and just shows how little you "get" how female brain work

--- Thad ---
Almost as Smart As you.

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My, How Rude! by CheeseburgerBrown (4.00 / 2) #78 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 08:39:55 AM EST
I can't tell you how sorry I am your wife has provided you with such a limp example of feminity on which to benchmark your opinions.


I am from a small, unknown country in the north called Ca-na-da. We are a simple, grease-loving people who enjoy le weekend de ski.
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Oh get stuffed by codemonkey uk (4.00 / 3) #80 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 09:11:01 AM EST
As my wife is the only woman I ever knew.

I really can't be bothered with this, you always assume that your experience is the general case even when its pretty clear that you are the exception

I therefore bow before your superior wordy wisdom, utterly supplicant and repentant, teach me, oh wise one

No. Stop.

Scratch that.

Did you ever, once, consider that perhaps your lovely wife doesn't like you doing shit like this, but that you've made it so abundantly clear that you consider that to be somehow weak minded and that such a woman would be unworthy of your greatness, so she just puts up with it?

No. Probably not.

Because your always right.

--- Thad ---
Almost as Smart As you.

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You, Dear Sir, Have Some "Issues." by CheeseburgerBrown (4.00 / 3) #81 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 09:22:34 AM EST
But in the spirit of HuSi love I will not give up on your poor sinner's soul!

As my wife is the only woman I ever knew.

This isn't meant to sound sardonic, but that's honestly not a big surprise.

I really can't be bothered with this...

Obviously. Once again a simple question degenerates at your behest, and then you claim you can't be bothered. I think I've read this thread before...

you always assume that your experience is the general case even when its pretty clear that you are the exception

I always assume my experience is my experience, and nothing further. If you'll re-read more carefully, I responded to blixco's comment by simply asking, "How come?" That doesn't devalue his experience in any way -- it just demonstrates my unfamiliarity with it and invites him to enlighten me, much as you have tried to do in your own hostile, biting way.

I therefore bow before your superior wordy wisdom, utterly supplicant and repentant, teach me, oh wise one

Um, okay. Sure. I'll do what I can for you, but in past discussions I've been involved in with you or just read, dialogue seems to break down once it becomes clear to you disagree strongly with your fellow commenter(s). This thread may be a case in point, in fact.

No. Stop. Scratch that.

See? It didn't take long. Why learn from others points of view when you can just shut them down?

Did you ever, once, consider that perhaps your lovely wife doesn't like you doing shit like this, but that you've made it so abundantly clear that you consider that to be somehow weak minded and that such a woman would be unworthy of your greatness, so she just puts up with it?

Yes, which is why we discussed my post before I composed it, while I was composing it, and before I posted it. If your argument rests on the foundation that my wife doesn't candidly speak her mind to me -- well, you just don't know Littlestar, dude. Anyone who has actually dealt with her would find the notion...hilarious.

No. Probably not.

Hey, when you assume you can an ass out of -- well, you.

Because your always right.

As usual, your open-mindedness, tact and sensitivity overwhelms me! (Your spelling is usually better, though.)


I am from a small, unknown country in the north called Ca-na-da. We are a simple, grease-loving people who enjoy le weekend de ski.
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Stop! by ucblockhead (4.00 / 2) #130 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 02:00:19 PM EST
Can you guys stop with the flamewar. We have an important topic to discuss here:

Tits.
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[ucblockhead is] useless and subhuman

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Don't Worry. by CheeseburgerBrown (2.00 / 0) #138 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 04:03:10 PM EST
Wrong by codemonkey uk (4.00 / 2) #165 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 10:56:17 PM EST
I went home to eat some dinner.

--- Thad ---
Almost as Smart As you.
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i'm sorry. by aphrael (4.00 / 2) #254 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 09:16:22 AM EST
the flamewar is far more interesting. tits hold no appeal.

bare muscular masculine chests, on the other hand ....

If television is a babysitter, the internet is a drunk librarian who won't shut up.

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Hey! by ucblockhead (4.00 / 2) #260 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 09:24:59 AM EST
I don't oppress your right to discuss cocks...don't oppress my right to discuss tits!
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[ucblockhead is] useless and subhuman
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discuss it all you want. by aphrael (4.00 / 2) #261 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 09:28:12 AM EST
just don't expect me to help man the barricades against intervening flame wars. :)
If television is a babysitter, the internet is a drunk librarian who won't shut up.
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What's this by blixco (4.00 / 2) #266 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 09:39:08 AM EST
about man barricades?
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Taken out of context I must seem so strange - Ani DiFranco
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new revolutionary dress code by aphrael (4.00 / 2) #267 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 09:40:09 AM EST
there's something ironic by aphrael (2.66 / 3) #121 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 12:00:46 PM EST
in a post accusing someone of assuming his experience is the general case, in which the poster simultaneously assumes his experience is the general case.

I know women who would be seriously offended if their husband/boyfriend/lover posted an ode, with picture, to their breasts. I also know women who would be happy if their husband/boyfriend/lover poster an ode, with picture, to their breasts.

I wouldn't do either set of women the disservice of assuming that the other group was a general case. Tastes differ.
If television is a babysitter, the internet is a drunk librarian who won't shut up.

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I Think He Loses His Point In His Ire by CheeseburgerBrown (2.00 / 0) #139 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 04:04:30 PM EST
That This Comment Is Endorsed By Calla... by CheeseburgerBrown (4.00 / 1) #147 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 04:43:11 PM EST
at this point, by garlic (4.00 / 4) #186 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 04:39:30 AM EST
she's not the only one being an ass. Putting on a friendly / canadian face about it doesn't change it.


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Whatever -- She's A Chump. by CheeseburgerBrown (4.00 / 1) #196 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 05:38:38 AM EST
I don't see the point in being polite to her. She likes being an ass -- let 'er enjoy some in return.


I am from a small, unknown country in the north called Ca-na-da. We are a simple, grease-loving people who enjoy le weekend de ski.
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Is that a fact? by littlestar (4.00 / 13) #148 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 04:53:30 PM EST
A big breasted man? Why are you insulting me? Isn't it CBB you're angry with?

It is true that I am different then most women. I will not deny it. I was a tomboy, it's true. I found most girls petty, catty and... well, difficult until highschool when I made good girlfriends. I am not a girlie girl, but have always been told how maternal I am (this worked out to be true cause I think I'm an okay mommy).

CBB did talk to me about this post before he wrote it. I thought it was super cute. I giggled. I was not coerced, and, I should mention, I am really not an easy person to coerce in any situation. ; )

 I am, however, most definitely a woman. I am a CONFIDENT woman (I know that is often thought of as a manly trait), it has turned many men off of me, I am sure. I have never, until today though, been accused of being a man (I have had a fairly womanly body since grade 6, and though I am not stunning, I certainly don't think I look like a man).

I do take offense sir. I should expect an apology is in order.
*twinkle*twinkle*


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sigh by webwench (3.71 / 14) #203 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 06:02:33 AM EST
littlestar, when will you learn that *all* women think the same way, all the time, and if you don't fit the assumed prototypical female modes of thought, you are, in fact, not a woman, any boobage you may or may not have to the contrary?

And did you ever think the mere sight of your breasticles would incite such a site-wide drama implosion? We got accusations of racism and sexism left and right, and the girls all falling at eachothers' throats with fangs bared, and tps12 advocating the shooting of white cops... I'm going to start calling you Helen of Troy, what with battles to the death being fought over your beauty all around you.


"What's the point of wearing your favorite rocketship underpants if nobody ever asks to see 'em?"

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I Was Just Trying To Be Romantic, In My Way. by CheeseburgerBrown (4.00 / 4) #208 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 06:19:36 AM EST
My ire was inspired when it seemed to me my ode was being characterized as anti-feminist objectification, which I strongly deny, and believe the accusation speaks to a rationalization for fear of sexuality (mine, hers, anyone's).


I am from a small, unknown country in the north called Ca-na-da. We are a simple, grease-loving people who enjoy le weekend de ski.
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this is what the internet is all about. by garlic (4.00 / 2) #250 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 08:51:27 AM EST
It'd be more educational if people were having discussions, but the arguments are pretty entertaining. Like the difference between oprah and springer.


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I am surprised to say the least. by littlestar (4.00 / 5) #283 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 11:15:05 AM EST
When CBB told me he was thinking of writing this post I thought there would be some lewd comments from boys (which truthfully, there haven't been) but the moral issues... really unexpected.

The chicks with claws drawn, also, very unexpected. I did think there may be women who found the post offensive due to feminist projection, but what has occured is far more then that.

I did not think that I would be accused of being a man though, in a post about my breasts.

Helen of Troy, wow, that's some pretty impressive company, thanks!

 I am going to continue thinking that CBB is a cutie pie, and enjoy the fact that he thinks I'm a hottie. I think it is delightful that I have odes written about me, and, I find it interesting as usual to see what people assume/project about/onto me.

Oh interweb what insight you bring us!
*twinkle*twinkle*


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Are these the boobs that launched a thousand by wiredog (4.00 / 2) #313 Wed Apr 05, 2006 at 03:03:57 AM EST
flamewars? And burnt the topless towers of HuSi?

Earth First!
(We can strip mine the rest later.)

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"Sweet littlestar, by webwench (4.00 / 7) #314 Wed Apr 05, 2006 at 05:12:55 AM EST
make us immortal with a flash"


Getting more attention than you since 1998.

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How do I rate this 1,000,000? /nt by ni (4.00 / 2) #319 Wed Apr 05, 2006 at 08:42:56 AM EST



Think metahistorically, act locally. -- CheeseburgerBrown
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Shy is part of it. by blixco (4.00 / 3) #79 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 09:05:24 AM EST
Body image is another, and yet another is: it's not anyone's business.

I think you'd find a lot of women would feel objectified, embarassed by the attention on their anatomy.
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Taken out of context I must seem so strange - Ani DiFranco

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My Wife Is Pleased To Be Desired. by CheeseburgerBrown (4.00 / 4) #82 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 09:29:24 AM EST
Body image is another, and yet another is: it's not anyone's business.

This is a diary site. How much of what gets posted here is "not anyone's business"? It is a place where we post our feelings on the subjects that are occupying our minds -- myself, I'm enjoying my wife right now. For us, at any rate, this is no secret.

I think you'd find a lot of women would feel objectified, embarassed by the attention on their anatomy.

Would you be permitted to write a diary about how much you admire your wife's intelligence? Would you be permitted to write a diary about how much her sensitivity touched you? Could you write about the sweet smell of the nape of her neck in the morning?

Personally, I think we enable misogyny when we're compliant in keeping sexuality taboo. Why can I publicly extol the virtues of any part of my spouse except reproductive ones?

Are we Victorians?


I am from a small, unknown country in the north called Ca-na-da. We are a simple, grease-loving people who enjoy le weekend de ski.
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Oh, by blixco (4.00 / 3) #83 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 09:50:46 AM EST
don't get me wrong: what you do to describe your wife is up to you.  I don't care.  And it doesn't really matter if I do.

Go nuts, have fun.

But for me, for my wife?  Describing her breasts here, or in public, is just not polite.  Because it would make her uncomfortable.

Now, should I go out of my way to make her uncomfortable?
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Taken out of context I must seem so strange - Ani DiFranco

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Asked & Answered by CheeseburgerBrown (4.00 / 1) #87 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 10:03:42 AM EST
Now, should I go out of my way to make her uncomfortable?

Who asked you to?

All I asked was why she'd feel uncomfortable.


I am from a small, unknown country in the north called Ca-na-da. We are a simple, grease-loving people who enjoy le weekend de ski.
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No, by blixco (4.00 / 2) #88 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 10:05:19 AM EST
you implied that there is something wrong with not making her uncomfortable.  That I am somehow supporting misogyny.

I don't support the terrorists, CBB, despite what this says about my wife's boobs.
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Taken out of context I must seem so strange - Ani DiFranco

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I Didn't Mean To Imply That. by CheeseburgerBrown (4.00 / 1) #90 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 10:19:05 AM EST
I just want to get to the bottom of the discomfort. You seem to be suggesting a root of privacy, I'm suggesting a root of systemic misogyny (not on your part, but the part of culture at large).


I am from a small, unknown country in the north called Ca-na-da. We are a simple, grease-loving people who enjoy le weekend de ski.
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Well, by blixco (4.00 / 2) #93 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 10:24:34 AM EST
I can only tell you what I know of my wife (and a number of other females): it's not necessarily comfortable to have a group of strangers (or, more importantly, people they know) staring at their boobs.  For reasons that are more complex than my male American mind can comprehend.

But they deal specifically with body image issues.  Girls without the D cup feel inferior due largely to people judging them for their boob size.  Add to that society's harsh judgement against sexuality, and a general sense of: I can do this without my boobs, thanks, and you end up with a very limited view of the many, many reasons.

It's not anything we'll solve in a blog, so let's make it simple:  Your wife likes to show her boobs.  Mine doesn't.  Hence the comment.
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Taken out of context I must seem so strange - Ani DiFranco

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Something My Wife And I Share... by CheeseburgerBrown (4.00 / 1) #100 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 10:36:41 AM EST
...is a comparative indifference to judgement, in all avenues of life.

I suppose it's one of the things that attracted us to one another.


I am from a small, unknown country in the north called Ca-na-da. We are a simple, grease-loving people who enjoy le weekend de ski.
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Well, by blixco (4.00 / 3) #102 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 10:38:30 AM EST
that's great.  Keep in mind how rare a quality that is, though, and how it may provide a filter for your views that some find unreasoned.
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Taken out of context I must seem so strange - Ani DiFranco
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That's The Beauty Of It! by CheeseburgerBrown (4.00 / 3) #103 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 10:45:17 AM EST
Keep in mind how rare a quality that is, though, and how it may provide a filter for your views that some find unreasoned.

The best part about being indifferent to judgementalism is that when people pass simplistic judgements -- wait for it -- you don't care.

Lots of people invest far too much energy in trying to win the approval of others directly. Such things are best done indirectly. I am known in RL as a mediator and negotiator, who is able to bring warring factions around to a mutually comprehensible point of view. This is a skill that can only come by de-emphasizing the importance of peer value judgements and sticking to reason.

Any woman reading this who finds herself intimidated/threatened/upset/disgruntled by my extolling the virtues of my wife's tits should ask themselves why? (That is not to say, "Why shouldn't my husband do that?" but rather "Why does it make me feel negatively?")

A man turned on by his wife is not a dirty thing.

Really, it isn't.

(And everybody knows "private" is usually a euphemism for "dirty.")


I am from a small, unknown country in the north called Ca-na-da. We are a simple, grease-loving people who enjoy le weekend de ski.
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Well, by blixco (4.00 / 4) #105 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 10:58:10 AM EST
the reason I mention it being a rare quality is: you do have to deal with other people, and you might be curious as to why they react the way they do.  Not that you live in a vacuum, but check out codemonkey for an example.

If you were, in fact, a mediator, then you might be less prone to not caring when someone finds your point of view and / or methods in some way different, remarkable, or just plain wrong.

Not that you don't care about other people's thinking, since you are very curious as to why my wife would dislike my putting her goodies on display.

Unless all that wasn't curiosity.  If it was, instead, a lesson, then we could have taken a lot less time.  I like learning.

A man turned on by his wife is not a dirty thing. But there are aspects of it that, to my way of thinking, are private.  That it would be disrespectful to remove that privacy...and not to my wife alone but to people who are related to her, or people who just don't care to be exposed to my sex life.

Again, that's just me.  I'm strange that way.  Maybe it's a societal thing, or maybe I have this really old fashioned way of thinking wherein my private activities with my wife remain private.  That way, we share this neat little romantic thing.  And the first guy I catch staring at her boobs gets kicked in the teeth, because I'm something of a cro magnon.
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Taken out of context I must seem so strange - Ani DiFranco

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Wellity-Wellity-Wellity by CheeseburgerBrown (4.00 / 2) #106 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 11:04:12 AM EST
you do have to deal with other people, and you might be curious as to why they react the way they do...

Well, that is why I asked, after all.

Not that you live in a vacuum, but check out codemonkey for an example.

Oh, whatever. That fellow gets his girdle in a knot whenever anyone persists in disagreeing with him. He's a litmus for nothing but hysteria.

But there are aspects of it that, to my way of thinking, are private.

Yes, I see where our points of view diverge here. I am patently an exhibitionist where you are not so clearly so, or, if so, in a way that is compartmentalized differently than I (or my wife, apparently).

Once again, I am grateful for your willingness to engage in an extended dialogue on the subject rather than telling me to stuff myself with something and accusing my wife of being a man.


I am from a small, unknown country in the north called Ca-na-da. We are a simple, grease-loving people who enjoy le weekend de ski.
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Dude, by blixco (4.00 / 2) #107 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 11:05:46 AM EST
I could never accuse your wife of being a man.  I've seen drawings of her naughty bits.  They were distinctly non-penile.

It's been a while since I've had a multi-thread near-real-time discussion.  That was fun.
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Taken out of context I must seem so strange - Ani DiFranco

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Fitting To Conclude With Twain: by CheeseburgerBrown (4.00 / 2) #109 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 11:09:53 AM EST
Oft-quoted by me, and deeply believed:
"It is not necessarily best that we should all think alike."


I am from a small, unknown country in the north called Ca-na-da. We are a simple, grease-loving people who enjoy le weekend de ski.
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Gotta say by webwench (4.00 / 7) #112 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 11:40:16 AM EST
I find it sweet, and not at all objectionable. I can only wish to one day inspire such a pictorial ode... on the other hand, we know people who have in the past been very offended at the display of photos of them. So, I think, in the end, there is only one conclusion we can come to, crazy though it may seem: women are individuals, and what some of them like, others of them hate. Best way to find out is to ask them :)


"What's the point of wearing your favorite rocketship underpants if nobody ever asks to see 'em?"

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No Way! by CheeseburgerBrown (4.00 / 2) #114 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 11:44:25 AM EST
I'm pretty sure an issue this important requires that we decide upon a policy which guarantees that we can safely assume all women are the same.

Remember: only you can keep your sexual bits a secret, just as Jesus wanted.


I am from a small, unknown country in the north called Ca-na-da. We are a simple, grease-loving people who enjoy le weekend de ski.
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the policy i follow by aphrael (4.00 / 3) #118 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 11:55:27 AM EST
"don't post anything about your spouse online which you think would make them unhappy to have publically posted."

this has the virtue of allowing you to post about littlestar's breasts and not allowing blixco to post about his wife's breasts. :)

If television is a babysitter, the internet is a drunk librarian who won't shut up.

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Hard To Argue With Consent. by CheeseburgerBrown (4.00 / 1) #120 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 11:58:45 AM EST
Unless, as some would have it, Littlestar is only telling me what I want to hear because she's too afraid of her big scary man-beast.


I am from a small, unknown country in the north called Ca-na-da. We are a simple, grease-loving people who enjoy le weekend de ski.
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that's a somewhat incredible proposition. by aphrael (4.00 / 1) #122 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 12:04:42 PM EST
I mean ... ok, I suppose it is theoretically possible that a woman might only tell her husband what she wants to hear because she's afraid of him. I've known people in that kind of abusive relationship, so it's plausible.

But littlestar?
If television is a babysitter, the internet is a drunk librarian who won't shut up.

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Hey! by ucblockhead (4.00 / 4) #131 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 02:02:58 PM EST
Who asked you? Us men are busy discussing what women want!
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[ucblockhead is] useless and subhuman
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oh shi by webwench (4.00 / 4) #133 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 03:04:31 PM EST
I'll go back to my knitting and pie-baking now...


"What's the point of wearing your favorite rocketship underpants if nobody ever asks to see 'em?"

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plspstpieskthx by ambrosen (2.00 / 0) #323 Sun Apr 09, 2006 at 10:27:54 AM EST
Networkspace Unit 1, Millenium Way, ST5 7XE.

Cherry pie would be preferred. I take it you don't have rhubarb over there.

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Really, though, by blixco (4.00 / 2) #134 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 03:30:26 PM EST
we're not.  We;re discussing why my wife would hate for me to display a picture of her cleavage.
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Taken out of context I must seem so strange - Ani DiFranco
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IAWTP by littlestar (4.00 / 1) #151 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 05:21:03 PM EST

*twinkle*twinkle*


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What? by ambrosen (4.00 / 1) #126 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 01:22:34 PM EST
Your wife has terrorist boobs? No wonder she won't let you post pictures here.

Do they have bombs in, or just machine gun nipples?

If the former, I can well understand it: look at all the people who got upset when someone showed a picture of a bomb in their prophet's turban.

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And, by blixco (4.00 / 4) #85 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 09:59:42 AM EST
we're not Victorian.  We're American.

Seriously, your wife is very open minded.  She's used to being discussed in a public forum.  She's used to being objectified.  It's all OK for her.

But if I were to post a digital photo of my wife's chest, I'd be sleeping on asphalt.  Not because she's a prude, but because she is a fairly private person, with the same sorts of body issues and dislike of sexual objectification that most American women have.
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Taken out of context I must seem so strange - Ani DiFranco

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Term Quibble by CheeseburgerBrown (4.00 / 1) #89 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 10:15:56 AM EST
She's used to being objectified.

Uh no, she's not. I don't think that word means what you seem to think it means.

Objectification is an act of depersonalization, or externalizing from the normal human condition.

Ask yourself this: if you wrote a poem about how pretty your wife's face is, are you objectifying her?

we're not Victorian. We're American.

Well, as I'm sure you know, some people would consider the difference merely academic. I raise this not as some veiled barb, but as a point of cultural contrast. Many of America's fellow Western nations consider America's sexual mores to be antiquated.

Not because she's a prude, but because she is a fairly private person...

That would make some sense if I took some sort of nekkid picture of my wife. All I did was take a picture of her wearing the shirt she was wearing that day, and all that was visible was what would've been visible to anyone. So all you're really saying is that your wife doesn't wear tops that are as low-cut as mine does. So what's your point?


I am from a small, unknown country in the north called Ca-na-da. We are a simple, grease-loving people who enjoy le weekend de ski.
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My point by blixco (4.00 / 2) #91 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 10:19:18 AM EST
was in the original first top of this thread comment: this diary is the sort of thing that would get me fired from the husband gig.

Not that it would get you fired.

And yes, I did mean objectified in that way.
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Taken out of context I must seem so strange - Ani DiFranco

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You Keep Denying Prudeness... by CheeseburgerBrown (4.00 / 1) #92 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 10:24:25 AM EST
And yet...

And yes, I did mean objectified in that way.

So, can you explain to me how a man making a loving ode to one of his wife's physical assets is an act of depersonalization?

Also, in order to support your point, you should probably explain how your explanation applies to the hypothetical poem I suggested earlier in which one extols the virtues of his pretty wife's face.


I am from a small, unknown country in the north called Ca-na-da. We are a simple, grease-loving people who enjoy le weekend de ski.
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Well, by blixco (4.00 / 3) #94 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 10:27:17 AM EST
two things:
  1. I'm not interested in supporting my point.  Strangely, I don't debate well.
  2. I've not denied prudeness.  Did I not say that we are American?  Did you not point out that Americans are damn near Victorian in their views?  Did I argue?
So, why would my wife not like me to show her boobs yet would have no problem with me describing how beautiful she is?  One is polite, and probably something I could read to her grandmother.  The other isn't.

Please see original comment.
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Taken out of context I must seem so strange - Ani DiFranco

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Well, I Think We're Agreed Then. by CheeseburgerBrown (4.00 / 1) #96 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 10:31:16 AM EST
No problem. by blixco (4.00 / 1) #98 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 10:33:19 AM EST
Next time I can take thirty some-odd thousand words to explain fifteen, let me know.
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Taken out of context I must seem so strange - Ani DiFranco
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/re/visiting? by 606 (2.00 / 0) #125 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 01:11:44 PM EST
O_o?

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imagine dancing banana here
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Covered Originally... by CheeseburgerBrown (4.00 / 1) #140 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 04:06:58 PM EST
Interestingly enough by Herring (4.00 / 1) #132 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 02:05:58 PM EST
Auburn.

christ, we're all old now - StackyMcRacky
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indeed by codemonkey uk (4.00 / 1) #62 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 05:45:31 AM EST
how very sad (n/t) by Mrs FlightTest (2.00 / 0) #307 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 09:22:18 PM EST

Wheeee...Flyin' is Fun!!
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OK. by blixco (4.00 / 1) #312 Wed Apr 05, 2006 at 02:03:57 AM EST
If you say so.
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Taken out of context I must seem so strange - Ani DiFranco
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Nice [redacted] by wiredog (4.00 / 4) #51 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 02:47:13 AM EST
For some reason I've always preferred them smaller. Small enough that I can hold one in each hand, and play with both of them at once.

But not flat and boyish. Women should have curves, not angles, dammit!

Earth First!
(We can strip mine the rest later.)

Bah by Phil the Canuck (4.00 / 5) #58 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 04:03:19 AM EST
You just need bigger hands.

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nice one dude by tps12 (4.00 / 1) #52 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 03:16:50 AM EST
You boned your wife!!!!! Rad!!!!!!!

What Are You? Six? by CheeseburgerBrown (4.00 / 1) #74 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 07:48:39 AM EST
This time I didn't even mentioning jumping her bones and you're still bothered, aren't you?


I am from a small, unknown country in the north called Ca-na-da. We are a simple, grease-loving people who enjoy le weekend de ski.
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See, I disagree with LFT. by molasses (4.00 / 5) #55 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 03:38:29 AM EST
I have a great rack.  Men have always been attracted to my rack.  It's one of my better assets. (heh).  Rizzo never seems to get enough of them and frankly, I enjoy that fact.

HOWEVER, bras are a torturous device and I wish there was a magic way to hold the damn things up without wires or really ugly bras.  My only complaint.

This is why... by The Fool (4.00 / 5) #66 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 06:01:33 AM EST
Lunar colonies are the hope for the future.

Life in 1/6 g.


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I Applaud Your Tit-Positive Attitude. by CheeseburgerBrown (4.00 / 3) #75 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 07:50:14 AM EST
And I shall take the HusiStock image of looking out my car window to see little else except your cleavage to my mausoleum.


I am from a small, unknown country in the north called Ca-na-da. We are a simple, grease-loving people who enjoy le weekend de ski.
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AWWW....THANKS! by molasses (4.00 / 3) #76 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 08:12:46 AM EST
I appreciate that!

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The hell you will! by rizzo (4.00 / 3) #84 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 09:52:52 AM EST
i always knew I'd have to dig up your dead body for some reason or another, but I never expected it would be to retrieve a picture, and I definitely never expected I'd have to blast through a concrete wall to do it, you bastard.

Excuse me...

Yes? ... What? ... oh. I see... uh huh... mental picture, i get it... yah...

Never mind then. I'll have to think of some other reason beyond you simply being Canuckistani. And don't you worry, I will. Oh yes, I will.

HAHAHAHAHAGHK! KHAAHK! GAHEUK-GHGHGHURGH... Ugh... damned bird flu... where the hell's my Guy Fawkes mask anyway?
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I've Already Launched A Pre-Emptive Strike by CheeseburgerBrown (2.00 / 0) #153 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 05:39:12 PM EST
Twelve stoned leprechauns trained in the deadly if obscure art of foo-pow are even now piloting their golden rowboat through the sky, dedicated to their mission to hunt you down and pester you to donate money to Boy Scouts while they steal your wallet and tear the flugelbinders off your shoelaces.

If you they assess your threat capability as positive after that I have given them special instructions to bite your shins.


I am from a small, unknown country in the north called Ca-na-da. We are a simple, grease-loving people who enjoy le weekend de ski.
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ME too.. by littlestar (4.00 / 2) #152 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 05:24:04 PM EST
I wish they made bras for sizes over C that are pretty. I want a bra with thin straps. THIN DAMN YOU!!!!
*twinkle*twinkle*


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I think it's an engineering issue by wiredog (4.00 / 4) #172 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 03:21:58 AM EST
The thick straps spread the mass they're supporting over a larger area of the shoulders. Thin straps dig into the shoulders.

What you need is a bra with cavorite or upsidaisium on the bottom of it. But then you would need unobtanium for the the support straps, and that stuff gets unstable when temps drop below 0°C, which could be a problem in Canada.

Earth First!
(We can strip mine the rest later.)

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I will watch my mailbox... by littlestar (4.00 / 1) #179 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 04:15:43 AM EST
How long do you think it will take you to make one? I know you're right of course, thick straps make more sense as far as weight distribution is concerned. Although, I did once see REALLY cute bras for larger breasts that had two sets of thin straps on each side and they were super cool. OF course, because they were nice AND big, they were like, 80 bucks or something. Ridiculous.
*twinkle*twinkle*


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+1 upsadaisium by ana (4.00 / 3) #222 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 07:19:48 AM EST
nothing further.

Can you introspect out loud? --CRwM

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Pretty Bras for D-Cups: by Mrs FlightTest (4.00 / 1) #308 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 09:54:56 PM EST
Here are some pretty ones.
Wheeee...Flyin' is Fun!!
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+1 FP Juggs by vorheesleatherface (4.00 / 3) #59 Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 04:29:28 AM EST
We must have been seperated at birth. Brother!


Nice necklace... by bob6 (4.00 / 2) #173 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 03:23:51 AM EST
What is it made of?

Cheers.
Silver by littlestar (4.00 / 1) #188 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 04:46:09 AM EST
It is a Latvian necklace, it is two thin pieces of silver twisted together, then twisted again with a thick piece of silver. The design is a common one for Latvians, it's called a "namejs", it is usually in a ring form, that you are given for graduation. Almost all Latvians have a ring of this type (which I also do). Should you actually be interested in this type of jewellery you should check out kalupe.com - I happen to think that Latvians have some of the prettiest jewellery, and my Canadian girlfriends have always liked it as well.
*twinkle*twinkle*


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Ah... by bob6 (2.00 / 0) #190 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 05:09:51 AM EST
It's more original than celtic knots and looks pretty on you. I may borrow the idea for a gift...

Cheers.
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For girls the biggest winner by littlestar (2.00 / 0) #303 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 01:09:16 PM EST
has always been the rings that dangle, it's the #71 series on their website. Whenever I have seen non-Latvian women with a Latvian ring it is almost always one of those, and, they are very cool to wear, people always notice them.
*twinkle*twinkle*


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Sooo..... by molasses (4.00 / 4) #192 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 05:17:49 AM EST
I guess we won't be having a "Clevage-Off" on Husi?  Bummer.  It could have been fun.

I'm in!

So am I by anonimouse (4.00 / 1) #210 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 06:29:04 AM EST
Oh wait....

Girls come and go but a mortgage is for 25 years -- JtL
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Uhhh.... by blixco (4.00 / 3) #226 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 07:39:05 AM EST
....why wouldn't we?
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Taken out of context I must seem so strange - Ani DiFranco
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Oh, I dunno by molasses (4.00 / 3) #256 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 09:19:55 AM EST
how many women would participate outside of me and LS.  It seems that it's an issue for most of the other women here. 

I could be wrong.  But again, I'd play.


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Careful. by blixco (4.00 / 3) #257 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 09:22:14 AM EST
You may not want to generalize like that concerning the other four women here.

I think they'd be all for it, though.
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Taken out of context I must seem so strange - Ani DiFranco

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My tits are old news on the intarwebs. by me0w (4.00 / 4) #262 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 09:30:37 AM EST
They would need to be in the vintage category.


"the only reason we PMS is because our uterus is screaming at our brain to go out, get fucked, and have a baby ... and it makes us angry."

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I'll vouch for that ! by Bob Abooey (4.00 / 3) #270 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 09:51:48 AM EST
I only regret that I never archived the old photo from your website.

Warmest regards,
--Your best pal Bob

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pls post pix k thx by nstenz (4.00 / 2) #305 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 06:54:36 PM EST
I'm man enough to say by Bob Abooey (4.00 / 4) #236 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 08:01:21 AM EST
That I'd like to nuzzle up with those babies!! Fo shizzle!! I know how to do it too. You betcha, I'd have you screaming words you don't even know!

Also, as an unrelated note, who's watching the kids while you two do battle here?

Warmest regards,
--Your best pal Bob

Would I know what the words mean? by littlestar (2.00 / 0) #284 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 11:21:01 AM EST
I guess I would learn huh? ; )
Thanks.

(On this end, I'm watching the kids, which is why there are so few posts from me. I am jiggling my jugs with their blanket of baby to ease his crampy belly.)
*twinkle*twinkle*


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Littlestar is now officially a sex symbol :O !! $ by Nigga (2.00 / 0) #247 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 08:45:00 AM EST




nude drawrings don't count? by garlic (4.00 / 2) #252 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 08:55:40 AM EST


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I came to this one a bit late by Rogerborg (4.00 / 9) #269 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 09:47:36 AM EST
Well... that's it for my contribution.

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Metus amatores matrum compescit, non clementia.
Incredible. by lb008d (2.00 / 0) #279 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 10:33:36 AM EST
I never thought I'd post comment #278 (or whatever) after posting #1.

These comments have been fascinating.

Wow by hulver (4.00 / 5) #292 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 12:19:32 PM EST
The most talked about boobies on HuSi, and that's saying something!
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Cheese is not a hat. - clock
I am honoured to say the least. by littlestar (4.00 / 1) #296 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 12:31:04 PM EST

*twinkle*twinkle*


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This Is A Flamewar Only Zone! by CheeseburgerBrown (4.00 / 2) #298 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 12:32:25 PM EST
I hear by aphrael (4.00 / 1) #299 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 12:49:21 PM EST
that PM Harper is going to round up the Canadian Injuns and have them all shot for treason. Is this true?
If television is a babysitter, the internet is a drunk librarian who won't shut up.
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I don't like black people. /nt by ni (3.00 / 3) #301 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 12:57:27 PM EST



Think metahistorically, act locally. -- CheeseburgerBrown
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i'm sure by aphrael (4.00 / 2) #302 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 01:04:23 PM EST
the two black people in newfoundland don't like you, either.
If television is a babysitter, the internet is a drunk librarian who won't shut up.
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Even On Toast? $ by CheeseburgerBrown (2.00 / 0) #304 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 03:40:16 PM EST
Can we get back on topic kthx? by komet (4.00 / 5) #293 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 12:21:00 PM EST
All this talk of attention whoring is distracting from the main problem with the picture, which is that it is overexposed by over one stop, for fuck's sake.

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<ni> komet: You are functionally illiterate as regards trashy erotica.
I Know, Eh? by CheeseburgerBrown (2.00 / 0) #297 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 12:31:16 PM EST
They don't sell photoshop in Canada? by ObviousTroll (2.00 / 0) #316 Wed Apr 05, 2006 at 05:59:03 AM EST
I mean, heck, if you're gonna put them on display you might as well color-correct, contrast-extend and freckle-filter them.


The doctor said it was the worst case of cookie-blindness he'd ever seen.
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Freckle-filter? by hulver (4.00 / 2) #317 Wed Apr 05, 2006 at 06:11:41 AM EST
You mean put more freckles on?

Freckles on boobies == teh goodness
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Cheese is not a hat. - clock

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Exactly. by ObviousTroll (4.00 / 1) #318 Wed Apr 05, 2006 at 06:57:50 AM EST
Freckle-enhancement is an underappreciated photoshop skill.

The doctor said it was the worst case of cookie-blindness he'd ever seen.
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Not to kill the festivities here by jayhawk88 (4.00 / 12) #295 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 12:30:16 PM EST
But I'd just like to point out that someday Ingrid and Sebastian will find this diary and be all like "Dad, WTF???"

Comment #300 sniped. by BadDoggie (4.00 / 1) #300 Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 12:52:20 PM EST
Nice rack but too closely cropped by JPEG edges and blouse. PLZFXKTHX!

Question: persimmon==rmg? I saw eerily similar levels of trollability.

woof.

OMG WE'RE FUCKED! -- duxup ?

On Exhibition by Scrymarch (2.00 / 0) #321 Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 07:26:06 PM EST
Perhaps you wouldn't trust someone who lied about his sex life. I wouldn't trust someone who didn't, some of the time. -- Thomas Nagel

The Political Science Department of the University of Woolloomooloo

My Wife "Racked" Me... by randomxs (4.00 / 1) #322 Sat Apr 08, 2006 at 05:45:29 PM EST
would be the title of my diary if I posted her cleavage.

I enjoyed it um...immensely. Thanks

"When a person can no longer laugh at himself, it is time for others to laugh at him." - Thomas Szasz

Boobs by duxup (4.00 / 2) #324 Wed Apr 12, 2006 at 04:24:33 PM EST
I was away for a while so I only now found this diary and the . . . stuff in the posts.

All I have to say is Hooray for boobs!

Please nobody shoot me :(
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