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By rmg (Wed Apr 12, 2006 at 02:27:47 PM EST) dream theater (all tags)
your thoughts?


personally, i like the instrumental part, but the vocals are too much like rush for me. i don't like the synth crap either.
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noodly and unmelodic! by gzt (2.00 / 0) #1 Wed Apr 12, 2006 at 02:56:37 PM EST
wes montgomery and george benson is where it's at, yo!

well, of course. by rmg (4.00 / 1) #3 Wed Apr 12, 2006 at 03:29:00 PM EST
they're supposed to be some kind of metal. noodly and unmelodic are the defining characteristics of the genre.




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George Benson? by blixco (4.00 / 1) #4 Wed Apr 12, 2006 at 03:31:28 PM EST
"Give Me The Night" George Benson?
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Taken out of context I must seem so strange - Ani DiFranco
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the very one. by gzt (4.00 / 2) #6 Wed Apr 12, 2006 at 04:06:02 PM EST
one of the finest guitarists around, if i may say so.

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Yes by LodeRunner (2.00 / 0) #8 Wed Apr 12, 2006 at 04:08:36 PM EST
That's how you can afford making instrumental jazz albums that only gzt and another half-dozen people will buy.


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thoughts on DT, here are some of mine by LodeRunner (2.00 / 0) #2 Wed Apr 12, 2006 at 03:23:08 PM EST
When I first listened to Dream Theater -- I started with "Awake" -- I was impressed because they combined prog rock with more modern rock sounds, so it's like their influences were more or less like my own influences, and I really enjoyed the result.

But latter day DT isn't as interesting. I fought with the notion that they're not a prog rock band but a "prog metal" band for too long, but now I gave up. They fully embraced the metal thing (a much more interesting "market"). Now when people ask, I say I like "old DT".

About the vocals: I'm not too big on them either, even though I actually like Geddy Lee's vocals (yeah, I know it's a love-it-or-hate-it thing). I find LaBrie "okay", but I can name many singers I like better than him in bands I like less than DT (DT with Symphony X's Russell Allen on vocals would be fantastic).

About the synth crap: well, I'm a synthcrapist myself, so I'm obviously biased. But one important thing to point out is that DT went through three different keyboardists with very different styles (within DT's constraints of musical wankery, of course). I like the first one, Kevin Moore, way better than the others. He was the most melodic one, and the best songwriter. After he left, it was a slow downhill, I think. He was also the best lyricist of the band, so that suffered as well (the lyrics from their latest albums were a big turnoff for me). The current keyboard player, Jordan Rudess, is technically a wizard, but his showoff runs can get a bit boring.

So, if I were to recommend DT to anyone, I would say: get "Images and Words" and "Awake" (both from the Kevin More era) and if they like that then "Scenes from a Memory". Anything after that can be ignored, unless they're also into metal, in which case I'd say go ahead and get the full discography.

PS: interestingly, after leaving DT, Kevin Moore abandoned the whole heavy-rock-wankering thing entirely and went, err, I'm not very good in coming up with adjectives and subgenre names for mostly-electronic music. Check out his latest stuff at http://www.chromakey.com -- you can hear all his albums on the flash website for free. I recommend "Dead Air for Radios".


i just grabbed 'six degree of inner turmoil' by rmg (2.00 / 0) #5 Wed Apr 12, 2006 at 03:40:41 PM EST
or whatever it's called. and yes, i am interested in the metal aspect of it, because i'm a guitarist. i don't like the "prog rock"-ishness. i feel like i'm listening to yes half the time and rush the other half -- these are not feelings i like.

i will never understand why rock bands feel like they have to have vocals. ugh. hell, even bela fleck ruins half of his songs with that crap. i mean, if i want to listen to dave matthews sing, i'll buy a fucking dave matthews band cd -- what the hell is he thinking? jazz is supposed to be music for grown-ups, not frat boys!

but i digress. dream theater came highly recommended by a friend of mine on the strength of the guitar, with some reservations about the musical gestalt. i have no complaints about the guitar... except for the fact that it's played in a metal style. when are these whiteys going to learn that you're supposed to stress 2 and 4, not 1 and 3?




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Petrucci by LodeRunner (2.00 / 0) #7 Wed Apr 12, 2006 at 04:07:23 PM EST
and yes, i am interested in the metal aspect of it, because i'm a guitarist. i don't like the "prog rock"-ishness. i feel like i'm listening to yes half the time and rush the other half -- these are not feelings i like.

Then get "Train of Thought", their most metal and least prog album.

dream theater came highly recommended by a friend of mine on the strength of the guitar, with some reservations about the musical gestalt. i have no complaints about the guitar... except for the fact that it's played in a metal style. when are these whiteys going to learn that you're supposed to stress 2 and 4, not 1 and 3?

I'm not a big fan of Petrucci's style. I can see he's very capable and all, but he's too... mathematical. Even his supposedly "soulful" parts sound (and in fact are, since he performs them note-for-note live) meticulously planned. His solo spot on their first live album particularly pictures this: he goes through a bluesy/rock routine, then a look-how-I'm-fast routine, then some of their instrumental stuff with the drummer (you might want to check their instrumental side-project, Liquid Tension Experiment, by the way), and then some jazzy stuff. The guy clearly can "emulate" all those styles with all the right clich├ęs in place, but from that whole solo I can't get a feel of who the guy really is.


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this is another thing that puzzles me about rock. by rmg (2.00 / 0) #9 Wed Apr 12, 2006 at 04:26:34 PM EST
why don't these guys just improvise the solos? they'd be better that way anyway. precomposed solos sound so contrived and devoid of spontaneity.




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Because by LodeRunner (2.00 / 0) #10 Wed Apr 12, 2006 at 04:44:11 PM EST
There's a highschoolish attitude in rock -- especially in metal -- that goes "hah, I wanna see if he can pull that off live" and then guitarists go trying to prove they can make it "just like the album". Notice that the real deal, like Hendrix, Jimmy Page and Edward Van Halen, don't fall into that trap.

And to a certain extent, I think many rock/metal guitarists, even some established "virtuosos", simply can't improvise. Many of them just spit out a series bland scale runs in random order when they're improvising. Not that I don't fall into that trap, myself. I think I improvise okay, but not at "standard solo speed" -- can't think that fast yet. But occasionally you're required to do the mandatory fast run, so I end up resorting to the "bag of tricks" too, going with some predefined phrases... but I kinda feel like cheating when I do that.


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yeah, that's what i meant when i said... by gzt (2.00 / 0) #12 Wed Apr 12, 2006 at 06:38:45 PM EST
...noodly.

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Check out other bands in the genre by Weapon of Pack Destruction (2.00 / 0) #11 Wed Apr 12, 2006 at 06:31:56 PM EST
Symphony X might be more to your liking.  Also maybe Angra.  I've been on a Marillion kick recently, but that's more proggy and less metally.

Jumped the shark on metropolis PT2... by haplopeart (2.00 / 0) #13 Thu Apr 13, 2006 at 08:29:41 AM EST
...Scenes from a memory.

I personally feel that they had it all perfect and together on that work.  Musically, and lyrically that disc was the top of there form.

6 degrees tried to follow somewhat in the mold, however it never fully comes together for me.

The next two disc's they seem to have gone for a more metal side, and they just don't fully bring it off in my opinion.  "As I Am" is a great song, but its not really DT.

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