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By lm (Mon Mar 13, 2006 at 11:00:05 PM EST) (all tags)
Not much here to see. Please mosie on along.


First off, I'm still doing a brief survey of ancient political philosophy over the issue of foreign relations, specifically the morality of a ruling power declaring war only so as to keep power. To be frank, there aren't many ancient sources that address foreign relations, let alone of consists moral foreign relations. It would seem that most ancient philosophers simply took a state of war for granted. At best, you've got poets and historians noting the tragic consequences of various foreign relation debacles (the Trojan War, the Peloponnesian War) but no philosophers or politicians directly address the need for foreign relations until Machiavelli and his heirs in the modern age.

What you've got instead is, for the most part, a concern the flows from the distinction between the public good of the city/state and the private good of the ruler. (Exceptions to this exist such as a few ancient sources that promote something akin to social contract theory and Thrasymuchus' position of ``might makes right'' in Plato's Republic, but they are a minority.)  Given that war was virtually inevitable (and for some, such as Aristotle, necessary for human completeness) the question of war being moral never really crops up except in the form is this war being waged for the good of the entire people or for the private purposes of the ruler.

Which leads to the question of whether its moral for a ruler (or ruling party) to wage war as means of retaining power. The ancients would reduce this question to whether or not it is for the common good for the ruler (or ruling party) to remain in power. Is the ruler violating the law by staying in power? Is the war bringing more harm than good to the city? If the results are good for the commonweal, then it would seem to follow that even if the ruler (or rulers) lied to start the war, that the war is ``just''.


My ISP tech support rocks. I emailed them on Saturday over my Linksys combination WAP/router. I figured I wouldn't get a response until Monday. I didn't. The response was great. It ran along the lines of ``we don't support this and won't help you out, but you might try doing x, y, and z.'' As it would turn out, x was the problem as coryking pointed out to me. Now, I've got free reign of the house with my iBook so I can sprawl out flat on my back with my iBook on my stomach to do my various homework assignments.

Speaking of homework assignments, thus far I'm very much unimpressed with the junior college that I'm taking night classes at. This will be the fourth college and second two year tech school that I've attended. Thus far, it is absolute pants compared to the other schools I've attended which is a pretty fair trick considering some of the bad schools that I've attended.

On the bright side, my eMarketing class is finally getting to some interesting stuff such as how to figure cost per visitor and cost per acquired customer, how to keep track of various online ad compaigns, and the like.

And best of all, between the two classes I ought to be pumping up my GPA.


I spent about fifteen minutes this evening browsing through the graduation rates for the men's basketball programs for the teams that made the NCAA division I tourney. I'm floored. I expected some to have bad rates. I didn't expect so many to have rates in the thirties and below. I guess the kids going to those schools on basketball scholarships are banking on going pro rather than getting an education.


That is all.

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colleges should have to pay a % of revenues to by MillMan (4.00 / 1) #1 Mon Mar 13, 2006 at 11:15:10 PM EST
their players as the NFL does with its players. The concept of football and basketball players being there for an education is a destructive falsehood perpetuated by the schools themselves as it allows universities to make billions of dollars without having to pay labor costs.

It would be a fair trade not only in economic terms but because of the fact that most players aren't college material and aren't going to go pro. The time to save poor black kids from a lifetime of poverty comes long before they are college age. The pseudo-liberal idea of giving poor kids a chance is in reality a predatory business practice.

I never really considered face-to-face contact a possible thing. -CRwM


That all depends on the school by lm (2.00 / 0) #5 Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 07:21:01 AM EST
The athletes at my alma mater get a good education. In fact their graduation rate is slightly higher than the graduation rate of the student body at large despite being held to the same standards.

But looking at the statistics, I'm getting the feeling that XU is even more exceptional than I thought it was.


There is no more degenerate kind of state than that in which the richest are supposed to be the best.
Cicero, The Republic
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Frank DeFord by garlic (2.00 / 0) #2 Mon Mar 13, 2006 at 11:17:25 PM EST
Frand Deford (?) suggested letting these guys major in basketball or football.



yeah by MillMan (2.00 / 0) #3 Mon Mar 13, 2006 at 11:19:15 PM EST
his rant last week partially inspired my rant above, but I've felt that way for a while.

I never really considered face-to-face contact a possible thing. -CRwM
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I love DeFord by lm (2.00 / 0) #6 Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 07:23:21 AM EST
He's one of the few sports commentators that I like to listen to. Unfortunately, he's not on during the brief periods that I listen to the radio.  Long, long ago when I was a house husband, I could listen to all of Morning Edition. Now I get about 15 minutes of radio time in the morning on my commute to work.

There is no more degenerate kind of state than that in which the richest are supposed to be the best.
Cicero, The Republic
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Compare and contrast Women's NCAA by Weapon of Pack Destruction (2.00 / 0) #4 Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 12:49:48 AM EST
The University of New Mexico basketball team, for example, has a 3.48 GPA. They put more effort out on the floor too.



Feel free to crunch the numbers by lm (2.00 / 0) #7 Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 07:24:45 AM EST
ncaa.org has all the statistics on its web site.

There is no more degenerate kind of state than that in which the richest are supposed to be the best.
Cicero, The Republic
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I am in NJ atm by cam (2.00 / 0) #8 Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 07:46:43 AM EST
so havent got my books to go scrounging in, but I recall reading something recently on "just" wars and how they have been used a permutation to entrench the power of modern leaders. Can't recall much more than that now. When I get back I will go digging.

cam
Freedom, liberty, equity and an Australian Republic


Any leader can declare a war to be just by lm (2.00 / 0) #9 Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 08:29:22 AM EST
The GWB administration sent Geoge Wegel to a conference at the Vatican to argue the case for the US led invasion of Iraq being a just war. (If you're interested in his case read Moral Clarity in a Time of War.)

But in the eyes of the ancients, the distinction was blurry. A King and a Tyrant have the same powers. Similarly, aristocracy and oligarchy take the same form as do democracy and republicanism. The difference between mob rule and modern liberal democracy is not always so clear. Those that argued there was a difference usually centered on a combination of intent and being right. A sole ruler who served for the common good was a monarch. A sole ruler who served for his own interest is a dictator. So the question resolves to is entrenchment of the ruler or ruler as the result of a contrived war for the common good of the ruled or for the private good of the ruler?


There is no more degenerate kind of state than that in which the richest are supposed to be the best.
Cicero, The Republic
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Shirly by martingale (2.00 / 0) #10 Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 09:02:19 AM EST
there must be some other available examples of ancient thinking on morality and war? What about the philosophy of slavery, shouldn't there be a derived justification thereof? In any case, I strongly advise the destruction of Carthage.
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reading is for the literate [nt] by lm (2.00 / 0) #11 Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 09:26:32 AM EST


There is no more degenerate kind of state than that in which the richest are supposed to be the best.
Cicero, The Republic
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