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By cam (Tue Feb 28, 2006 at 08:26:20 PM EST) BSG, Cylon loving cowqaas, At least I wont rust, Leonard Nimoy (all tags)

The beleaguered BSG fan community was struck another blow today with the discovery that the Gaius Baltar on Galactica is a cylon copy. Those devoted to the cause of Baltar point out that it is likely the cylon copy is really a clone and the human known as Gaius Baltar is on Caprica over-seeing the research and development related to developing offspring between humans and cylons.



We know that six died at Baltar's house during the Caprica attack. Since a human is more fragile than a cylon, it is reasonable to believe that neither a human or cylon Baltar would survive the nuclear blasts either. Yet a Baltar appeared when (Galactica) Boomer and Helo did an emergency landing. How many other Baltar's were there on Caprica trying to hitch hike their way off planet?

We also have the problem of the ghosts. Six and Baltar have a tight relationship there - both ways. We have not seen anything that suggests either Baltar or Six are aware of their ghosts. We know that the ghost is a function of cylonness thanks to Six. We also know that other human characters in BSG don't see ghosts. This suggests the Baltar who sees a ghost is a Cylon.

The third issue is the re-imagining of the original BSG. Baltar was a traitor in the original movie/series. It is likely that there will be a twist where there is a human Baltar as well. It is my suspicion that the human Baltar is behind the ghosts in the cylon Baltar and Six, as well as responsible for the program of making a Cylon/Human child. The Six ghost has mentioned in the past that it is "their" child. It is likely that the human Baltar sees himself as the creator of the new race.

Prediction/speculation: Galactica Baltar is a cylon. Caprica Baltar is human.

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The Niteshdw forum speculation by TheophileEscargot (4.00 / 2) #1 Tue Feb 28, 2006 at 09:20:24 PM EST
Was that the nuclear blast somehow merged the consciousnesses of Baltar and Caprica-Six. That seems the best explanation to me that they both have virtual ghosts of the other.

Yes, it's a bit of coincidence that the betrayer of humanity happened to turn up on the only ship out of there... but that seems like normal dramatic coincidence to me.

I think there is just one, human Baltar. Introducing human clone-duplicates to a setup that already has Cylon duplicates would just be too messy.
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Also by R Mutt (4.00 / 2) #4 Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 01:27:20 AM EST
I think the drama of Baltar's situation depends on him being a human gradually being lured in to becoming a traitor. Turning him into a standard supervillain mastermind seems to lessen the drama. Having him being a Cylon traitor is a bit redundant with Caprica-six , Caprica-Boomer and Galactica-Boomer doing the same dramatic job.

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The nuclear blasts merged consciousness? by cam (2.00 / 0) #5 Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 02:09:04 AM EST
Radioactive man wants his plot back from those forums. I am not buying that one. I always thought he was a cylon and it seems the plot in series two is leading up to him being not only that - but more.

Underworld Revolutions was plauged by the problem of creating more and more super-villians, to the point that the hybrid was an exception in Underworld, but in Revolutions was like candy. Every man and his monkey was a hybrid.

I think BSG is facing the same hybrid problem. They have a "one" in the fleet now (queue morpheus saying, "He is the one"). I think cylon cloning would be a natural means for the plot to further blur the difference between human and cylon.

cam
Freedom, liberty, equity and an Australian Republic

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Too nerdy ;-) by R Mutt (4.00 / 1) #7 Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 02:33:14 AM EST
Instead of thinking "would it be cool if", you need to think "would it be dramatic if".

Baltar's already a baddie, and already a traitor. If you're going to reveal a human character to be a Cylon, you need to make it a good guy, someone you don't expect, for it to be dramatic.

Having human-clone-duplicates as well as Cylon-duplicates would confuse the hell out of ordinary viewers who aren't SF buffs. It would feel like a cheat to them.

I think the most useful revelation of the last episode was that the will of the Cylon God is interpretable: it's possible that wiping out humanity wasn't a part of His will. I had thought the Cylon God might be a giant computer or human being who issues direct commands. But that much ambiguity suggest that He's either a metaphysical concept, or else too insane/alien/advanced to communicate clearly. So I can't see a human-Baltar mastermind like you propose in that role, or in the voice-of-God role: he'd be more specific about what he wants.

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Clone drama by cam (2.00 / 0) #8 Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 02:38:21 AM EST
Remove the goatee and the other south park kids didnt know which Cartman to send back to evil south park world. I bet that Starbuck ends season two on Caprica, what would be more dramatic than her having to decide which Baltar was the Cylon and which was the human so she could shoot the Cylon Baltar?

I think the Cylon god is a non-player too. It is certainly so weak that no plot is driven by it, and is more like a hand to the previous (70s) series by Six mentioning it every now and then.

Baltar is pretty egotistical. And Six plays on his ego constantly to get her way with him. So being the "human" who creates a new race of human/cylon hybrids would be consistent with his ego. Especially if he pollutes six in a way to bind her too him. That is pretty selfish sexually, and Baltar has been that in the past too.

cam
Freedom, liberty, equity and an Australian Republic

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What could be more dramatic? by R Mutt (4.00 / 1) #10 Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 02:43:38 AM EST
Well, instead of having an unsympathetic baddie at risk of being shot, having a sympathetic goodie at risk of being shot.

Didn't they end season one with Starbuck on Galactica deciding whether to shoot Caprica-Boomer or not? Be a bit boring to do the same thing again.

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Evil Baltar vs Good Baltar by cam (2.00 / 0) #11 Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 04:01:05 AM EST
Since the Scar episode we know the Cylons are developing individual traits, rather than keeping collective ones. Starbuck goes back to Caprica to pick up her roller derby boyfriend. So does Cylon Baltar. Human Baltar (genuinely evil rather than the confused cylon baltar) pops off roller dervy guy in front of starbuck. Xena is ready to kill Starbuck at Evil Baltar's bidding. Cylon Baltar realises he is not evil, he is more humanistic than Human Baltar and kills Evil Baltar.

Then, Galactica Boomer copy is reunited with Chief, Cylon Baltar and Caprica Six get it on (including their ghosts) ... and Starbucks get to be emo for another thirteen shows.

The vampyres and lychans are saved for another couple of years.

cam
Freedom, liberty, equity and an Australian Republic

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obviously he's a clone by martingale (4.00 / 1) #2 Tue Feb 28, 2006 at 10:18:09 PM EST
By the way he acts, he's certainly no scientist. It's been obvious from the start that he's an impostor.
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You are attributing by yicky yacky (4.00 / 3) #3 Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 12:18:59 AM EST

to television executives the kind of logical consistency which they consider an annoying impediment to making fat stacks. HTH.


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I dont know by cam (4.00 / 2) #6 Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 02:33:14 AM EST
Other than the emo stories, BSG has been pretty pure and consistent.

cam
Freedom, liberty, equity and an Australian Republic

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It may well be by yicky yacky (4.00 / 3) #9 Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 02:42:30 AM EST

but bear in mind that the holes and flaws tend not to manifest themselves until things have to come towards some form of conclusion. It's relatively easy to maintain consistency provided you have an open canvas, as there's always somewhere else you can go: It's when things have to be narrowed-down that they start to split at the seams.


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Cylons by ucblockhead (4.00 / 2) #12 Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 07:03:39 AM EST
I just want to point out that while fans seem to guess "$X is a cylon!" for every value of $X, the show has actually never failed to reveal a cylon in the episode the character was introduced.

My theory is that Baltar is crackers...and so is Caprica Six.
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Dont tell me though that when by cam (2.00 / 0) #13 Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 08:12:48 AM EST
Caprica Six was rebirthed you didnt go; "oh..."

cam
Freedom, liberty, equity and an Australian Republic

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huh? by ucblockhead (2.00 / 0) #14 Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 08:23:46 AM EST
oh...what?
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When she was rebirthed by cam (2.00 / 0) #15 Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 08:40:41 AM EST
and saw Baltar staring at her from amongst the other copies.

cam
Freedom, liberty, equity and an Australian Republic

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yeah by ucblockhead (2.00 / 0) #16 Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 09:21:53 AM EST
But it was clear he was a hallucination pretty quickly.
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They showed he was a ghost quickly enough by cam (2.00 / 0) #17 Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 10:10:40 AM EST
that I didn't turn around to my wife to brag that, "I told you so". If they had of delayed another ten seconds I would have been trapped and mercilessly ridiculed.

cam
Freedom, liberty, equity and an Australian Republic

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Ghosts? by duxup (4.00 / 1) #18 Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 11:25:47 AM EST
It's always been too obvious of a call for me to buy into Baltar being a Cylon.  I think I’d be bummed if Baltar and his actions were always some well executed Cylon plot or something.

I will say I was pleased with the latest episode in the terms that it made the connection that I was noting:  The fact was that the Cylons, outside of the Six in Baltar’s head, never have acknowledge the existence of the Six in Baltar’s head.

But then again you’re mentioning this ghost thing, did I miss something? 

Do the Cylon’s know about Baltar’s Six hallucinations?  From what I can remember they only seem to talk about him in terms of what he has done for them in the past.   This seemed to indicate to me that they may be totally unaware of what was going on in his head, and consequently unaware of what is going on in the Six on Caprica’s head as well (maybe they suspect something but don’t know what).
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in the end by MillMan (4.00 / 2) #19 Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 03:03:33 PM EST
the explanation will be as exciting as uh, matrix ep 3. Whatever the fuck it was called.

I never really considered face-to-face contact a possible thing. -CRwM

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Oh we already know it by duxup (4.00 / 1) #20 Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 06:36:09 PM EST
The explanation will be the same sci-fi explanation it always is . . . love.
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cylons in love by MillMan (2.00 / 0) #21 Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 06:39:37 PM EST
shockingly, a favorite song of mine.

I never really considered face-to-face contact a possible thing. -CRwM

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