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By Rogerborg (Tue Feb 07, 2006 at 12:24:18 AM EST) (all tags)
So on Radio 4 there's this chap claiming that he and his chum were arrested for staging a counter-protest at the Danish embassy, on charges of Wilfully Inciting Mal-order With Intent To Supply, or similar.

Their crime?  Handing out leaflets with the cartoons in question, and inviting people to debate whether they should be banned.  Apparently the Peace Loving Violence Advocates chanting and capping off AKs party-poppers nearby showed their utter dedication to their cause and threatened extreme course of action by ratting them out to Plod.  Oooh, scaaaary.

Their story is tailed on here as an afterthought.  I mean, why get caught up in debating whether we actually have freedom of speech in UKia when there's a War on Drugs angle to pursue?

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Take a deep breath by gpig (4.00 / 3) #1 Tue Feb 07, 2006 at 12:29:51 AM EST
They were arrested, not convicted. Probably means either Misguided Plod Syndrome or (more likely) the police just wanted to get them off the streets before somebody beat them up.
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I'm with you by nebbish (4.00 / 1) #2 Tue Feb 07, 2006 at 12:34:10 AM EST
There's very little doubt we're going to see prosecutions against the Muslim protestors. The reason it didn't happen at the time is that it might have inflamed an already difficult situation.

Doesn't mean they're not going to get absolutely shafted at Plod's leisure over the coming weeks.

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What's so difficult about it? by Rogerborg (4.00 / 6) #6 Tue Feb 07, 2006 at 12:58:40 AM EST
Protesters, placards, chanting == set Police Dog Josephine on them, drag them into the van for their kicking, all the standard procedures.  I fail to see what's so different about this protest, other than that we're pursuing a policy of appeasement and compromise with people who, according to their own tenets, can and will accept nothing short of total surrender.

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I suppose it comes down to by nebbish (2.00 / 0) #9 Tue Feb 07, 2006 at 01:05:56 AM EST
which policy you think is best - trying to calm the situation, or going for the Islamic fight-to-the-death option.

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Look, they're clearly there for a barney by Rogerborg (4.00 / 4) #14 Tue Feb 07, 2006 at 02:39:13 AM EST
It's the British thing to do to show the basic courtesy and respect to pepper-spray them in the eyes in the full light of day, rather than coming for them all sly and subtle like in the dead of night.

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Well, see, it's different for them. by ObviousTroll (2.00 / 0) #21 Tue Feb 07, 2006 at 03:01:27 AM EST
They're the victims - haven't you heard?

The poor dears just don't understand how wonderful tolerance and free speech are.

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To prevent troubles by Man (4.00 / 1) #31 Tue Feb 07, 2006 at 07:20:17 AM EST
We should stop using our free speech and religious tolerence until they understand it.

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Oh, well THAT'S all right then by Rogerborg (4.00 / 7) #4 Tue Feb 07, 2006 at 12:53:44 AM EST
As long as they were only shoved against a wall, searched, questioned, thrown in the back of a van and then banged up in a cell for hours without any good reason or intent to prosecute, I guess we've got nothing to fear.

I do like the suggestion that potential victims should be incarcerated for their own good though: most amusing.

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You have to admit... by ObviousTroll (4.00 / 1) #24 Tue Feb 07, 2006 at 03:05:40 AM EST
Suicide by pamphlet would certainly be a novel way to go.

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that reminds me by martingale (2.00 / 0) #29 Tue Feb 07, 2006 at 03:42:38 AM EST
grep -v "Hi, I'm a unix suicide sig virus. Copy me to your .sig file and type sh .sig to see me go" $0 >$0
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Nice. by ObviousTroll (4.00 / 1) #40 Wed Feb 08, 2006 at 06:08:13 AM EST
I wonder if I can work up a self-reincarnating .sig...

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there's actually a bug by martingale (2.00 / 0) #41 Wed Feb 08, 2006 at 03:59:11 PM EST
in the above, since grep should really send its output to a separate tempfile first. On the other hand, this way the whole .sig blows up, so it's more of a suicide bomber virus...
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Don't forget by hulver (2.00 / 0) #37 Tue Feb 07, 2006 at 10:11:01 AM EST
Their DNA taken and stored for all eternity as well.
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Good point by Rogerborg (4.00 / 2) #38 Tue Feb 07, 2006 at 10:47:22 PM EST
When the make Licking Holy Texts a crime, he's bang out of luck.

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This country is going to the dogs etc by nebbish (4.00 / 1) #3 Tue Feb 07, 2006 at 12:37:50 AM EST
The Daily Mail have a messageboard now you know

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First they came for the hippies by Rogerborg (4.00 / 5) #5 Tue Feb 07, 2006 at 12:56:12 AM EST
And you said nothing because yo- no, wait, you are a hippy.  Good gravy, even other hippies won't stand up for hippies.

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I'm what you call a self-hating hippy by nebbish (4.00 / 2) #8 Tue Feb 07, 2006 at 01:03:31 AM EST
I've just had a thought - you should have that picture of Mohammed with a bomb in his turban as a sig SEEING AS YOU LIKE IT SO MUCH

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Capital idea by Rogerborg (4.00 / 2) #17 Tue Feb 07, 2006 at 02:43:37 AM EST
In fact, I'd say that anyone who doesn't do so is clearly with the terrorists.

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Or has a modicum of taste by nebbish (2.00 / 0) #18 Tue Feb 07, 2006 at 02:49:10 AM EST
Let's face it, those cartoons are shit. If this whole affair has taught me one thing it's to stay away from Danish comedy.

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That's the sad thing about it by wiredog (4.00 / 1) #20 Tue Feb 07, 2006 at 02:56:29 AM EST
How lame the cartoons are. Now if Pat Oliphant had done one of them...

Earth First!
(We can strip mine the rest later.)

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Yeah by nebbish (2.00 / 0) #23 Tue Feb 07, 2006 at 03:04:54 AM EST
Or Steve Bell. Both of them are probably too subtle for religious nutjobs though. It'd go straight over their heads.

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Editor please delete parent by gpig (4.00 / 1) #7 Tue Feb 07, 2006 at 01:02:50 AM EST
We don't want to lose Rogerborg, do we?

Too late, he's noticed ....
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nah, it's nothing by martingale (4.00 / 1) #10 Tue Feb 07, 2006 at 01:08:00 AM EST
Give it a couple of hours, once Tony hears about it he'll sort it out with a phone(*) call and it'll all be dismissed. He takes care of us.

(*) long distance.
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That only tells half the story by theantix (4.00 / 1) #11 Tue Feb 07, 2006 at 01:09:05 AM EST
He says he was just handing out leaflets -- but I'm sure the protesters killed a couple of people and burned down a couple of buildings.  Because that's what is considered a reasonable and measured response these days, right?

Don't get it by nebbish (2.00 / 0) #16 Tue Feb 07, 2006 at 02:41:42 AM EST
You want the British police to fly to the Middle East and arrest people there?

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Middle East, Central London... by ObviousTroll (4.00 / 1) #22 Tue Feb 07, 2006 at 03:04:28 AM EST
What's the difference? It's all foreign, ain't it?

Excuse me, I have to go get my dog from under the porch.

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Well, the TLAs do it all the time by Rogerborg (4.00 / 2) #26 Tue Feb 07, 2006 at 03:28:28 AM EST
I mean, according to George Galloway, and who are we to question a man of such proven integrity?

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Oh yeah by nebbish (2.00 / 0) #28 Tue Feb 07, 2006 at 03:39:51 AM EST
I forgot that abducting people abroad and weeing on them in extra-judicial prison camps was accepted practice nowadays.

Of course any human rights arguments go out of the window at the mention of George Galloway.

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who is claiming it's reasonable? by MillMan (2.00 / 0) #33 Tue Feb 07, 2006 at 07:34:59 AM EST
people like tps12 are saying "wtf did you expect," I don't think many people are saying it's good or some sort of twisted free expression.
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no by theantix (4.00 / 1) #39 Wed Feb 08, 2006 at 12:43:25 AM EST
I am just frustrated that when people are protesting reasonably and promoting the important right of free expression they are being arrested.  What I actually said didn't really make a lot of sense.

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Yes-yes-yes by yicky yacky (4.00 / 1) #12 Tue Feb 07, 2006 at 01:47:09 AM EST

But what's goin on in Fimble Valley?

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Social Services need to have a look at that by Rogerborg (4.00 / 2) #15 Tue Feb 07, 2006 at 02:41:10 AM EST
Don't you think Little Bo spends waaaay too much time sleeping over at "Uncle" Roly's house?

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I was more concerned about the by yicky yacky (4.00 / 1) #19 Tue Feb 07, 2006 at 02:51:40 AM EST

clear ingestion of extraordinary levels of hallucinogens. But perhaps these things are linked ...

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I suspect by jump the ladder (4.00 / 2) #13 Tue Feb 07, 2006 at 02:22:13 AM EST
That the placard wavers will be arrested once the fuss caused by the cartoons has calmed down.

Lets face it the British govt is scared stiff at moment.

Free Speech by jimgon (4.00 / 1) #25 Tue Feb 07, 2006 at 03:21:45 AM EST
Whoa.  Free speech is only allowed when you agree with the current government.  Otherwise it's sedition or a hate crime.  We are a law abiding citizenry here.  It's not the fault of the Gorvernment or the Muslims that Mohammad is the anti-Christ.

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Don't be silly by Rogerborg (4.00 / 3) #27 Tue Feb 07, 2006 at 03:34:09 AM EST
Not every polygamous kiddy fiddler is the NT-Xrist.

As far as I can see, the current situation in UKia that you have a right to say anything that Plod gives you prior permission to say*, with the caveat that he can change his mind and arrest you for it if anyone else then threatens to light the fuse lose the rag over it.  Well, as long as we're being suitably British about it.

* Which these chaps claimed to have obtained.

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Now there's your problem by jimgon (2.00 / 0) #34 Tue Feb 07, 2006 at 07:52:12 AM EST
At least in the US we're all afraid to say anything wrong about his Most Excellent Personifcation of Divine Right, President Bush.  We know the consequences of such action.

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Wait a minute: by thenick (4.00 / 1) #30 Tue Feb 07, 2006 at 07:02:06 AM EST
"He acted on impulse - couple of friends, they got on the train and got to London, and I believe this was a impulsive, foolish reaction to what he saw was the offence of the publication of those cartoons."

He got on a train dressed as a suicide bomber and no one stopped him?

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LOL by Rogerborg (4.00 / 2) #36 Tue Feb 07, 2006 at 09:38:13 AM EST
And for once, that's not a figure of speech.  Sir, you have just kicked the chair out from under the Surveillance State.

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Interesting by webwench (2.00 / 0) #32 Tue Feb 07, 2006 at 07:32:18 AM EST
The article just states the guy was arrested for breaking his 'license' (which I read as the UK version of probation), but makes no attempt to describe how the guy was breaking his license. Is there something missing from the article?

I didn't realize you guys didn't have a right to freedom of speech over there.

There was a No Trolling cause on his parole by Rogerborg (4.00 / 2) #35 Tue Feb 07, 2006 at 09:37:11 AM EST
I'll explain the difference:
• USia: You have a Constitutional right to Free Speech, which in practice means nothing unless you can afford a high falutin' lawyer.
• UKia: We have a common and case law right to Free Speech, which in practice means nothing even if we can afford a high falutin' lawyer.

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