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By duxup (Fri Feb 17, 2006 at 12:24:23 PM EST) (all tags)
Note that this diary has nothing to do with the title.


duxup is late to the cartoon party
Bike rides in the Twin Cities Skyway
duxup is late to the Cheney shooting party
duxup buys a table and chairs
Wedding night
duxup talks about where he's thinking of going on a honeymoon


Two thoughts on the matter:

First, that the response from some Muslims is downright disturbing.  With a response like that to a newspaper cartoon it’s hard to imagine how any nation that allows free speech could manage a positive relationship with some Islamic nations whose populous and government react as they did.

I’m not entirely sure I’ll be able to make my second point clear but I’ll try.

I’m disappointed that newspapers published this comic in the first place.

I believe in free speech and I would not approve of a government preventing the publishing of something like that cartoon if a paper(s) chose to do so.    Yet there must be some journalistic canon where it says that news organizations should report and comment on the news, and at the same time try to avoid as a organization making news, becoming a part of the news themselves, or fanning the flames of an already dangerous situation that can have serious consequences for other people.  Granted reporting some facts could cause serious situations to occur, but it isn’t as if some lame cartoon is a fact or vital news that needs publishing.

I do not believe that the paper(s) involved here had any way of predicting the level of outcry in this case, but I would like to think there are some news organizations out there that might look at such a cartoon and say:

You know I’ve no problem with this cartoon, but clearly many Islamic people feel persecuted by westerners and depicting their prophet in the first place is not going to be enjoyed, and depicting in this manner is surely to be taken as seriously offensive.  The result may be far more damaging to real world politics and real people than anything positive that may come from this cartoon.

Just to be clear I’ll say that I don’t think the fallout from this event is the paper(s) or cartoonist fault.  Yet I think there must be some journalistic rule that might direct a publication to take some caution when publishing something that may have serious has serious consequences.  Perhaps the line I’m drawing is too grey, or might not even apply here as it is hard to imagine the severity of the results, but I think there is something there to be considered. 

Skyway Ride

The Twin Cities are somewhat well known for their skyway system, or so it seems.  Why that is I’m not sure, connecting large buildings via skyways seems totally logical to me and I’m sure it must be done elsewhere as well.  Even so I always hear people from out side the Twin Cities talk about how cool the Skyway system is. 

Anyway the skyways recently become even cooler as the Red Bull folks sponsored a bike race thru the St. Paul Skyways (Minneapolis was the first choice but they were too wussy to do it). 

It is just a short one mile race but it is a neat idea nonetheless.  The organizers said on the radio that after they announced the race they received a ton of inquires from professional racers asking how they can be invited and if they’re going to do it again.

Cheney Hunting Accident

This whole Dick Cheney hunting accident is disgusting.  Not the accident, the media.  I do not like the Bush administration, but it was just a hunting accident…  It has nothing to do with politics and the media spends its time wanking around this non story when they could be reporting real news.  * sigh

*Table and Chairs

I ordered and received my table and chairs this past week.   After three years in the new house I finally have a proper table rather than my old card table and crappy free table smashed together. 

The only downside was that the table and chairs came in boxes that were excessively packed with packing materials.  The boxes for chairs and table both contained one large box after another encapsulating each other, followed by tons of foam and various items.   Unpacking everything was about 70 % the work, assembling everything else took much less effort. 

For the second week in a row I’ll have a ton of cardboard to recycle.  I’m one of the few people on the block who recycles things.   I’m sure my local recycling guy hates me already as I’m probably the only person he has to get out of his truck and go into the cold to get my stuff.

Wedding Stuff

Bad Wedding Night Ideas

Figuring that staying at one of our parent’s house on the wedding night wasn’t such a good idea I had some people look into finding a nice place for us to stay since we don’t live in the town where we’re going to be married in.  I was given explicit instructions from the fiancé that the place be nice and not the Super 8!

After someone checked out a place for me and I got the details I made a reservation.  Then my fiancé called noting suggestions for places to stay from her mother. 

The first suggestion was that we stay at the hotel where a block of rooms have been reserved for wedding guests.   I’ve always heard that this is a terrible idea.  I do not like the idea of going out for ice only to have to converse with in laws, relatives, and whoever else wants to take up my time when I should be doing other, things.

Another idea was a bed and breakfast like place that sounded nice, but . . . the lady who runs the bed and breakfast lives there.  Call me crazy but I’d like a bit more privacy than that. 

We shot down both ideas and we’re going with the nice anonymous hotel that nobody knows about plan.


My grandparents on my father’s side are some of best people in the world.  They’re those served in WWII, adopted 7 children, saved a buss load of nuns and etc. types.  Good people who wouldn’t say a bad thing about anyone.

Anyway my Grandmother has been in a nursing home type environment for a long time here in the Twin Cities.  Fortunately it is a nice facility.  It is one of those big communities where people buy a condo like house and there is a nursing home attached amongst a myriad of other activities, places to eat and things to do.  So my Grandfather can go down and pickup Grandma and take here home during the day, and then take her back to her medical appointments in the nursing home when the time comes.

Anyway my Grandfather is quite healthy (he’s over 70 and I swear has more energy than I do).  He wants to attend the wedding, but my Grandmother is not really in a condition where she can travel (and it’s likely to make any sudden improvements at her age).  Word is that Grandpa is working up the courage to ask Grandma if it is ok if he goes without her, he doesn’t want to hurt her feelings, or leave alone, but he really wants to go.  Sad. : (


I’ve been tasked with coming up with some honeymoon plans.  After doing a bit of research I’ve come up with a couple options.

Las Vegas – Cheesy, but it is an easy and relatively inexpensive to plan (at least until I gable away all my money).  I’ve never been there, but it seems like it could be an entertaining place.  I’d be risking my record of 6 lifetime trips to a casino and always coming away with more money than had when I arrived, but you can’t win them all.

New York – I’ve never been there, the fiancé has and wants to go back.  We both enjoy the arts and the theater so there would be no shortage of things to do.  After doing a little research I found that it is not entirely too expensive to stay in the city.  New York would be $$$ but I’ve got some extra dollars saved and I don’t mind splurging in this case.

San Diego – This was an early suggestion from the fiancé but I kind of nixed it as I figured we’d have to do some driving to get from place to place and the fiancé and I in the same car driving someplace sometimes involves friction.  Something I’d like to avoid on the honeymoon ; )  Then I talked to some folks who have been to San Diego on vacation, never drove around, and only once or twice had to take a cab someplace and had a great time.

San Diego seems to have some interesting things to do in addition to the Sea World, San Diego Zoo, Wild Animal Park activities and we’d both like to see those anyway.

The only question with San Diego is where to stay.  I like the idea of staying in the city where restaurants, entertainment and transportation are easily available.   

The fiancé likes the idea of staying at one of the pseudo resort places on the ocean or something like that but I’m a bit concerned.  All of the hotels on the beaches say they’re close to the city but I’m a suspicious.  I’ve seen places in my own city that say they’re only x miles from … and while they might be that far geographically it is a lot farther in practical terms.  I’d rather not have to spend $20 on a cab every time we leave the hotel, or god forbid be stuck eating at the hotel because we’d rather not run into the city or something.

Anyway in my mind San Diego tops the list right now but I need to do more research.

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oh, come on. by ObviousTroll (2.00 / 0) #1 Fri Feb 17, 2006 at 12:42:28 PM EST
I’m disappointed that newspapers published this comic in the first place.

dude - have you seen the cartoons? If the cartoons depicted mohammed fucking goats that would be one thing. But not only were all the cartoons I've seen down right mild, but at least one of them (a picture of a guy wearing pig ears and a snout) is an out-and-out fake - they took a picture of a guy at a  pig calling contest and claimed it was a picture of Mohammed?!?

Given the pornographic and scatological abuse regularly heaped upon Christians, I suggest that you either re-think your position or that you plan to endorse a prohibition on the many pieces o "art" that have been showing up in museums for the past 30 years.

Your attitude is disturbingly similar to claiming that a rape victim was "asking for it" because she wore a short skirt.

Wha? by duxup (4.00 / 1) #2 Fri Feb 17, 2006 at 12:53:37 PM EST
Your attitude is disturbingly similar to claiming that a rape victim was "asking for it" because she wore a short skirt.

I'm not at all sure where that comes from.

I think the reaction to the comic was / is disgusting, and I clearly stated that neither the papers nor the writer of the comic should be held responsible in any way for the results.  I’m not sure how I can be clearer about that.

I think I can be disgusted with the response and with the comic, can’t I?

Yet the issue did raise some questions regarding what if any journalistic traditions there may be that might provide indicate that publishing something that might only serve to fan the flames of existing serious issues.

I suspected when I wrote that part of my diary that mentioning what inspirited those thoughts might have been a mistake.


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You don't know where it comes from? by ObviousTroll (2.00 / 0) #5 Fri Feb 17, 2006 at 03:17:52 PM EST
You think that journalists should limit what they print out of fear of offending militant extremists and you don't know why I think you're blaming the victim?

You never answered my question. Did you look at the cartoons?

Because, apparently, most of the rioting muslims haven't either. And here you are, wanting the press to engage in self-prior-restraint to avoid pissing off the same people who regularly pillage people they don't like in the press and don't think twice about destroying cultural, historic or literary items that they don't like!

What ever happened to the idea that the answer to speech you don't like is more speech?

When was the constitution amended to say "I have a right not to have my feelings hurt"?

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Dude by duxup (2.00 / 0) #8 Fri Feb 17, 2006 at 04:07:40 PM EST
Yeah I saw the comics.

You think that journalists should limit what they print out of fear of offending militant extremists and you don't know why I think you're blaming the victim?

Oh come now, that’s just some weak bait. I’m by no means a good writer but I don’t think I’ve been so dense that you’d think that was what I was trying to say.  I’m surprised you haven’t whipped out a you’re with us or the terrorists line or something.  :P

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Sigh. by ObviousTroll (2.00 / 0) #15 Fri Feb 17, 2006 at 04:24:12 PM EST
You saw the cartoons?


Do you you know why the Danish newspaper had a cartoon contest in the first place?

Because a Danish author couldn't find, in the entire country, a Danish artist willing to draw pictures of Mohammed for a children's book. Because, of course, northern europe has already had authors and film makers threatened and killed for doing things that muslims don't like.

So the newspaper goes looking for people willing to stand up for their own freedom - but you think that doing so was "lame" and "not vital news"

But, of course, you're not actually advocating cravenly avoiding conflict with hate mongers - you just think we should be sensitive to their feelings of persecution.

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that's why the *danish* paper published them by tps12 (2.00 / 0) #21 Fri Feb 17, 2006 at 07:52:23 PM EST
That publication provoked non-violent protest from a minority population in Denmark. Months before the violence started.

That paper, IIRC, apologized for causing offense but stood by the publication on free speech grounds, a stance supported by the Danish government. Given that context, there are legitimate questions to be raised about the motivations of the right wing papers across Europe who republished the cartoons and the extremist Muslim factions who fanned the flames.

My view is that all parties involved have something to gain by playing up the West vs. East clash of civilizations storyline. They seem to have succeeded.

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The press by Man (4.00 / 1) #28 Sat Feb 18, 2006 at 06:36:46 AM EST
How can you possibly understand a story on muslims being offended by cartoons if you aren't shown the cartoons?

Here's a hint: There is a "clash of civilizations" going on. One culture believes in Democracy (however poorly it sometimes applies it) and the other doesn't. Globalization has shoved these two cultures together.

Unless you put up a wall around the middle east and ban all muslim immigration to Western countries, this clash is going to happen.

If these two cultures are going to coexist on this planet, then one of them is going to have to change. I, for one, don't want it to be the one that believes in freedom of speach, religion, etc.

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Yes. And the Islamic reaction to them by ObviousTroll (2.00 / 0) #31 Sat Feb 18, 2006 at 08:22:43 AM EST
is why every other paper in the free world has a duty to print them.

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Okay. I have a question for you. by ObviousTroll (2.00 / 0) #34 Sat Feb 18, 2006 at 08:30:10 AM EST
Should Piss Christ be removed from circulation?

Yes or no?

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Correct answer: by lb008d (2.00 / 0) #35 Sat Feb 18, 2006 at 04:53:21 PM EST
Who cares?

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So, you don't think freedom of speech matters? by ObviousTroll (2.00 / 0) #37 Sun Feb 19, 2006 at 02:19:02 AM EST
That's good to know.

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No... by lb008d (2.00 / 0) #38 Sun Feb 19, 2006 at 05:39:30 AM EST
the correct answer for Christians and Muslims annoyed about trivialities like your example or the cartoons should be "Who cares?"

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what do you mean "circulation"? by tps12 (2.00 / 0) #39 Sun Feb 19, 2006 at 06:51:44 AM EST
I don't think it should be banned from public display. But I'd question the motives of newspapers in minority Christian areas who ran reproductions of it on free speech grounds.

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Motives. by ObviousTroll (2.00 / 0) #41 Sun Feb 19, 2006 at 09:12:51 AM EST
Well, it's like this - if those minority Christians had a history of violently intimidating the press, authors, illustrators and movie makers - I'd say the press would have a duty to print it.

In any case, what does being a minority have to do with it? Why is it okay to mock tens of millions of Christians but not okay mock tens of thousands of muslims?

This, right here, is the crux of the matter. If speech isn't offensive to someone, somewhere, then it doesn't need protection.

It is wrong for the majority to bully a minority - but it is just as wrong for a minority to bully the majority.

As long as muslims are a killing Christians, burning embassies and issuing threats of a new holocaust, I'd say that printing those cartoons is the sacred duty of every person who takes their freedom seriously.

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that's a lot of points lacking a central argument by tps12 (2.00 / 0) #42 Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 10:57:05 AM EST
Just to get us back on track, remember that Muslims weren't violently suppressing offensive material: some Danish people did feel intimidated, and conceived of a project is response, and they did not provoke a violent response.

At that moment, then, according to your reasoning ("As long as Muslims are a-killing..."), there existed no "sacred duty" to republish: offensive cartoons had been published, the target group had complained, the publisher and government had stood by the right to publish, freedom of the press was intact. Now what motivated newspapers that published the cartoons in that context, the situation as it actually existed?

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I see. by ObviousTroll (2.00 / 0) #43 Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 11:28:57 AM EST
  1. So, you are unaware of any European artists killed for their work by muslims, and unaware of any death threats issued by muslims against authors, artists and such?
  2. When did I say we had a duty to republish before the protests began?
  3. On that point, at what point BEFORE the protests did anyone re-publish the cartoons? As far as I know, for 4 months after the cartoons were published, the only people "republishing" them were muslims trying to get the protests started.

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re by tps12 (2.00 / 0) #44 Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 12:24:00 PM EST
  1. There had been, but in this specific case, the cartoons had already been published and defended, without a violent response: no further defense of free speech was necessary.
  2. You suggested that there was a duty to publish in response to violence, which is a red herring in this case.
  3. As I understand the sequence of events, they were republished across Europe (and, you're right, in the Middle East: this is what I mean by both parties having an interest in fanning these flames) before any violence occurred.

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our understandings appear to differ. by ObviousTroll (2.00 / 0) #45 Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 01:35:34 PM EST
I was not aware that the cartoons had been republished anywhere until the protests began (and I haven't seen anything to convince me that is not the case) - as such, my suggestion is that our duty is to defy the threats of violence, not to piss people off "just because".

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*protests* had happened by tps12 (2.00 / 0) #46 Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 02:13:08 AM EST
But not violent ones.

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which hate mongers are we talking about now? by garlic (2.00 / 0) #27 Sat Feb 18, 2006 at 04:37:26 AM EST
Seems to me that there's been a lot of manipulation on both sides to up the hate.

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Right. by ObviousTroll (2.00 / 0) #32 Sat Feb 18, 2006 at 08:23:59 AM EST
Cause the anti-muslim fanatics have been running around burning pakistani embassies, too, right?

Or do you have some unusual definition of hate monger with which I am unaware?

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so you're going with eye for an eye by garlic (2.00 / 0) #26 Sat Feb 18, 2006 at 04:22:49 AM EST
instead of do unto others as you'd have them do unto you. Good to know.

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You're going to have to explain that by ObviousTroll (2.00 / 0) #33 Sat Feb 18, 2006 at 08:26:34 AM EST
because I really don't see how either asking duxup to be intellectually consistent or insisting in the freedom of speech as an absolute right can be considered "an eye for an eye".

here's a hint - if I went around raping muslim women in revenge for this - then that would be "an eye for an eye".

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Romantic places to stay by skippy (4.00 / 1) #3 Fri Feb 17, 2006 at 02:54:58 PM EST
I just got married back in May, so I'm going to weigh in on some of this.

Regarding bed-and-breakfasts, the proprietress merely living there isn't really a big deal.  My wife [back then just my girlfriend] and I stayed at a lovely little place where the owners both resided.  However, they lived in a separate part of the house and we had complete privacy (along with a huge soaker tub right in our room, rowrr).  But given that you shot that one down already, the anonymous hotel plan should work out quite nicely.

For honeymoons I can't really provide a lot of advice other than:  we went to Couples Swept Away in Jamaica, and it was fantastic (even in the second-cheapest rooms)!

Couples Swept Away in Jamaica by duxup (2.00 / 0) #14 Fri Feb 17, 2006 at 04:22:44 PM EST
Couples Swept Away in Jamaica . . . is that some sort of deal where you’re sent to an island and relive the events portrayed in the movie Weekend at Bernie's?
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Be careful in San Diego by joh3n (4.00 / 1) #4 Fri Feb 17, 2006 at 02:58:30 PM EST
certain people that you may have killed still live there.

Vegas is a really interesting place, but it seems like a less good choice for a honeymoon, given that half the time you're gonna want to be together alone and not out, you know for [redacted], and the rest of the time you want to be relaxed.  Vegas just seems too stressful (in a fun way).  Were I to make a suggestion, you might want to look into something like Ireland.  It's relatively cheap to get there, absolutely gorgeous to behold, and has Leprachauns that steal your gold and your heart.


no clue by yankeehack (4.00 / 1) #9 Fri Feb 17, 2006 at 04:10:12 PM EST
on just who may have been dispatched.
"...she dares to indulge in the secret sport. You can't be a MILF with the F, at least in part because the M is predicated upon it."-CBB
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NOBODY CAN PROVE ANYTHING by duxup (4.00 / 1) #11 Fri Feb 17, 2006 at 04:12:15 PM EST
Wait .  .  . the photos  . . . the blood . ..  my ...  DAMN IT!
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Well I do loath the undead . . . by duxup (2.00 / 0) #10 Fri Feb 17, 2006 at 04:11:12 PM EST
Also you can’t be convicted for the same crime twice . . . or at least that’s what I saw in some movie.

Your point about Vegas is well taken, and Vegas really isn’t us anyway.  On the other had going to a Zoo, or art museum is far more like us.  Ireland is an interesting suggestion.  I’ll have to do a bit of research on that and think about it.

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San Diego is nice by thunderbee (4.00 / 1) #6 Fri Feb 17, 2006 at 03:18:50 PM EST
I spent a few days there (with a car) it's a nice place, Sea World and the San Diego Zoo are cool places to see. Actually, it was a kind of a delayed (2 month) honeymoon :)

Can't talk about the availability of transportation  as we had a car.

Good memories there.

assorted stuff by yankeehack (4.00 / 1) #7 Fri Feb 17, 2006 at 03:33:08 PM EST
  1. there will always be issues about assorted relatives concerning Big Family Events. Yes, sad, I know. Yes, unfortunate, I know. But, don't feel bad about it. It's the great circle of life. And in a few years, when you show off your little one, you'll get it.
  2. Las Vegas. I have not been there, but miker2 is there right now celebrating his friend's end of bachelorhood.  I expect a full report from him about the place (or not).
  3. This is from a girl, so take it for the grain of salt it is worth. Take your woman to a very nice place since you don't know when the next available time to go will be. cough little ones cough

"...she dares to indulge in the secret sport. You can't be a MILF with the F, at least in part because the M is predicated upon it."-CBB
Family by duxup (2.00 / 0) #12 Fri Feb 17, 2006 at 04:16:18 PM EST
Yeah this was hardly even a conflict, more of a funny no way we’re staying there situation. There have been bigger head butts about the wedding, fortunately most of them easily resolved.  It’s more the stress involved than the actual conflict, if they can even be called that.

Yeah my fiancé has been warning me about how this might be our last vacation, more so with her going back to graduate school rather than concerns about moving up our spawning.  I’m determined that this won’t be our last vacation, I want one more after the honeymoon.

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I can think of by sasquatchan (2.00 / 0) #13 Fri Feb 17, 2006 at 04:21:59 PM EST
quite a few more good reasons not to stay in the same hotel as any friends or members of your family or inlaws.. They'll find you. They'll knock on your door, call your room and in general mess around with you. (says someone who did that to others..)

Cartoons.. Why the long delay ? Wash Post had an interesting article about it. That some Danish muslisms went around drumming it up for a number of months before it hit critical mass. That one newspaper in Malaysia (I think, one of the south seas majority muslim nations) printed the cartoons 2 times with no out burst (in Sept or Oct, I'm hazy on that detail).

So really, I have to call opportunists and folks looking to stir up trouble (agitators) -- shenanigans..

Indonesia, twice in October, no real reaction. (Lead paragraph).

Delay by duxup (2.00 / 0) #16 Fri Feb 17, 2006 at 04:29:01 PM EST
I actually remember reading about and/or hearing the initial reaction when the cartoon was first published months ago.

Honestly I think the delay because many nations with large Islamic populations use western / Islamic and even Israeli / Palestinian conflicts as a distraction to draw attention away from their own nation’s problems, or outright as excuses for them.  This particular event just wasn’t fully exploited until later.

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San Diego was really nice by blixco (4.00 / 1) #17 Fri Feb 17, 2006 at 04:30:52 PM EST
last February.  We got a great deal at a very expensive hotel via  It was on the coast near Torrey Pines.

I would leave here to live there.  I would.
I am ten ninjas. Ten ninjas with root access. - mrgoat

Wedding Night by riceowlguy (4.00 / 2) #18 Fri Feb 17, 2006 at 05:40:31 PM EST
Yeah, get away from people.  My friends recently got married and the bride had had some other friends get married and they made the mistake of telling people where they were staying.  They showed up at 11:30 with an XBox and wanted to play games.  You need to have a decoy honeymoon location and a real honeymoon location.

O M G by duxup (2.00 / 0) #19 Fri Feb 17, 2006 at 05:52:05 PM EST
They showed up at 11:30 with an XBox and wanted to play games.

Dear gord.

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San Diego by Man (4.00 / 1) #20 Fri Feb 17, 2006 at 06:52:19 PM EST
I lived there for sixteen years, so I know a bit about it.

There's lots of good places to stay...the most romantic is the Hotel Del Coronado, but it's very, very pricey. (I got married there and we're returning this summer for our twelth anniversery, but we can only afford a couple nights.) It's also over a bridge from most of the places you'll want to be. As far as where things are, I'd honestly advice a rental car. It is easy to get places by car. Otherwise, it's a pain. However, The San Diego Zoo, Sea World and Old Town are all relatively close to downtown. (Within a few miles.) The Wild Animal Park, on the other hand, is quite a ways away. (Forty-five minutes to an hour by car from downtown.)

La Jolla can be a nice place to wander if you don't mind tacky rich-people stores. The best beaches are north of there. Mission Beach is a sort of family picnic/water sports type beach and not very romantic. Better are La Jolla Shores and Torrey Pines to the north. Torrey Pines is a long beach under a cliff and makes for very romantic beach walking. (Though if you walk a couple miles and pass the big rock at low tied you'll come across Blacks Beach where the people dressed.)

Del Mar north of that is a nice little beach town. I believe there's lots of resorts there, but it's going to require a half hour drive to get anywhere else.

Las Vegas, on the other hand, has to be one of the least romantic cities in the country.

Hotel Del Coronado by duxup (2.00 / 0) #24 Fri Feb 17, 2006 at 08:56:26 PM EST
Hotel Del Coronado was one of the options I was thinking of.  Not my usual kind of place at all, but I don't mind splurging much in this case.
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One warning by Man (4.00 / 1) #29 Sat Feb 18, 2006 at 06:37:45 AM EST
Though it is extremely romantic, it's over a toll-bridge from the rest of San Diego.

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Ah good tip by duxup (2.00 / 0) #30 Sat Feb 18, 2006 at 06:58:51 AM EST
Not living in the land of toll bridges or roads it is hard to imagine the significance, but I'll look into it.
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no longer toll by wndl (4.00 / 1) #47 Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 10:50:50 AM EST
We were in San Diego last summer and went out to the Hotel and the bridge no longer requires a toll.

Each time we've been in SD, we've had a car... I can't imagine getting around by transit there.

"...there you have it: an actual anecdote, second hand, from the Internet."--DesiredUsername
"what fun is gettin naked on a webcam if ya have to provide tech support"--dev trash

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Your honeymoon choices are kinda freakin' me out. by calla (4.00 / 1) #22 Fri Feb 17, 2006 at 08:35:40 PM EST
Cripes. I've lived in New York and San Diego. I actually honeymooned in Vegas - years and years ago.

Of the three I think that San Diego would be the best for you. It's laid back and fun.

Maybe you could run an errand for me when you're there...

Sure by duxup (4.00 / 1) #23 Fri Feb 17, 2006 at 08:52:04 PM EST
Need anything else while I'm out?  Milk? Eggs?  Croutons?
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This sounds familiar. by calla (4.00 / 2) #25 Fri Feb 17, 2006 at 09:04:27 PM EST
The big guy did have a lot to bring home the other night.

If you happen to see any of these at Walmart, please grab one for me. Thanks.

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They did it first! by dn (4.00 / 1) #36 Sat Feb 18, 2006 at 11:14:44 PM EST
You know I’ve no problem with this cartoon, but clearly many Islamic people feel persecuted by westerners and depicting their prophet in the first place is not going to be enjoyed, and depicting in this manner is surely to be taken as seriously offensive.
Then what about things like this*? If Arabs want tolerance and peace, howsabout they start being, you know, tolerant and peaceful. (Though I did get a laugh out of all the Danish flags they were abusing. There must be a shadowy Arab Flag Service, sort of an evil FedEx that can deliver ten thousand hated-flags-of-the-moment anywhere in the world on short notice.)

Good luck with the wedding. You should tell everybody that you will be staying at a particular room in a particular hotel in town, but give 'em the address and phone number of the county jail.

*IIRC that page is recycled Nazi propaganda. (But I think I read that on Little Green Asshats ... er, Footballs so take with gain of salt.)

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I think that newspaper was brave and commendable by theantix (4.00 / 1) #40 Sun Feb 19, 2006 at 09:01:03 AM EST
Some of the cartoons at least made connections between Islam and world terrorism, something that may be politically incorrect to point out but is nonetheless a social observation that ought to be allowed to be debated in a free society.  The reaction to the cartoons proves that the need for publishing those cartoons is real: it revealed how sick modern Islamic culture really is.

Even if you disagree with that assessment, it is important that the world can talk about things that are causing violence.  And you'd have to be pretty blind to not see the connection between Islam and violence in pretty much every part of the world.  This needs to be discussed in the open, and the fear of violent response from the Muslim world ought to not prevent free people from discussing things that need to be discussed.

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