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By Rogerborg (Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 01:21:12 AM EST) (all tags)

And the dog starts foaming and snarling again:

Shadow Home Secretary David Davis is calling on the government to scrap its "outdated" policy of multiculturalism.

Well, it's Wednesday, nothing's been blown up yet, so let's do it.

References:

Hate crimes soar after bombings.
Searches to target ethnic groups, rapidly followed by searches to continue to be pointless and ineffective.
95% of calls to a helpline for young Muslim are not religion-specific. Also, "any young Muslim" would think Mr the Prime Minister is a liar.
Crackers get all the jobs, so act affirmatively to hire Muslims. Or else?
Reality TV is our only hope, says Chief Ethnic Chap who also thinks that multiculturalism has had its day and that we must all be British first. Separatism is bad, except of course for AfricanAmerican-British schoolboys.
Tory MP and Labour Peer asked the right questions over a year ago, nobody felt minded to answer them.
Lengthy deportation processes? Not necessarily: deportation rapiiiido!
For the record: Menezes was indeed a job stealing illegal immigrant, so let's not that issue vanish from the table.

What's it to be? Suggested topics for chin stroking and hrrrming:

Is it acceptable to be a $RELIGIO_ETHNICITY living in Britain, or must you be a British $RELIGIO_ETHNICITY?
Can you be a Scottish $RELIGIO_ETHNICITY, or is that still seditious? How about Welsh $RELIGIO_ETHNICITY, English $RELIGIO_ETHNICITY or Northen Irish $RELIGIO_ETHNICITY?
Can you be a good Britain while not viewing yourself as British?
Can you be a good Britain while not actually being British in any legal sense? Does being an outlaw make you a modern Robin Hood, with a multimeter instead of a bow?
Why do third generation British Muslims burn Union flags? How do we explain to them that despite what they believe, that their anger has nothing to do with Iraq? Should we keep on telling them to grow up and not be so silly?

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I think you'll find by DullTrev (4.00 / 1) #1 Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 01:27:55 AM EST

Multiculturalism doesn't extend to the English. You can self define as Scottish, Welsh, Irish or British on official forms. Which seems a bit harsh.

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Aw, poow baby, is oo put opon? by Rogerborg (2.00 / 0) #2 Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 01:34:56 AM EST

The one I completed recently had these sub-groups, in this order:

White
1. Scottish
2. English
3. Welsh
4. Other
5. Irish
2. (etc)

Spot the afterthought region.

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Yes, dammit, I am by DullTrev (4.00 / 1) #15 Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 03:11:08 AM EST

How come you evil heathens to the north get to say you are Scottish on Census forms, and yet I can't assert my overwhelming superiority as an Englishman?

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nyeh by Merekat

(4.00 / 1) #22 Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 03:45:58 AM EST

I'm sure German is an option in there...

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Look by DullTrev (4.00 / 1) #25 Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 04:13:23 AM EST

There's no need to get personal just because I'm pointing out you're from one of the lower races.

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Okay by Merekat

(4.00 / 1) #27 Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 04:23:18 AM EST

Danish, then. If yer Northern.

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: Rubbish by DullTrev (4.00 / 2) #28 Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 04:41:32 AM EST

I'm English. Because I live in England and choose to define as such. So why can't I say I'm English?

I don't care if anyone else defines as Indian-British, Welsh, Romanian-English, Slovakian-Scottish, or Ptoing. They can be who they want to be. But I want to be English, dammit...

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Hmmm... by codemonkey uk (2.00 / 0) #3 Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 01:39:55 AM EST

I don't care about the colour of your skin, or the birth place of your parents. I don't care, in theory, if you belive in some kind of ISG.

But: "If your interests conflict with those of others, let the others pit their power against yours, everyone for theirselves. If your interests coincide with those of others, let them work together with you, and against the rest. We are what we eat, and we eat everything."

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Growing a mustache for charity.

Commie cannibals? by Rogerborg (2.00 / 0) #7 Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 02:37:56 AM EST

Or cannibal Commies?

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Does it matter? (nt) by codemonkey uk (2.00 / 0) #10 Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 02:48:50 AM EST

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Apparently it does by Rogerborg (2.00 / 0) #32 Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 05:35:56 AM EST

We have to decide what their "shared core values" are. Cannibal commies can live in harmony with cannibal liberals, but commie cannibals can't, as I understand it.

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Really by codemonkey uk (2.00 / 0) #43 Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 06:15:39 AM EST

Very fascinating.

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: I suppose it is by Rogerborg (2.00 / 0) #44 Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 06:22:24 AM EST

I don't really pretend to understand this high level social politics stuff.

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we are what we eat by martingale (4.00 / 2) #16 Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 03:12:42 AM EST

"I'm a cunt."
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Why does anyone burn a flag? by priestess (2.00 / 0) #4 Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 01:46:24 AM EST

Clearly, becasue flags suck.

I mean, most people I've known who've burned union flags have been many more than 3 generations of British. Hundreds and hundreds of years my ancestors have lived on this island and yet, the government sucks and that flag embodies the government. Nationalism sucks, and it embodies nationalism. Racism sucks and it embodies racism. The empire sucks and it's the flag of the empire.

Put the Jack on my property and I'll burn it, not display it. I don't need no stinkin' badges.

I mean, I'm too cheep to actually buy one to burn, obviously, but if I found one lying round, what else am I gonna do with it?

Why is it that immigrants are expected to conform to this code of Britishness, but i'm allowed to support the banning of cricket on state TV rather than the english team? How come I'm allowed to support the overthrow of our political system by subversive means? Or am I not allowed that anymore?

If you're gonna have rules to be British, then they beter be rules that everyone can comply with, even lennonist (Imagine there's no countries) non-nationalist British people who's family have had British passports for longer than any of us has cared to track like me.

I worry that trying to remove multiculturalism would mean banning cultures, or banning subcultures, or banning thoughts and ideas. That's about as unbritish as you can get. Tolerance is the keyword. You don't make everyone tolerant by refusing to tolerate their intolerance.

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Before we throw ourselves into this 'debate' by Dr H0ffm4n (4.00 / 5) #5 Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 02:19:34 AM EST

Let's define our terms. What do we mean by multiculturalism? What behaviours are outside of British culture? What behaviours are required for participation in British culture? In what sense is the term 'British' being used in this debate?

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If the Radio 4 debate I heard is any measure by Rogerborg (4.00 / 1) #9 Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 02:46:43 AM EST

Britishness is defined as a 1950s Ealing fantasy, a gestalt of tea-and-digestives Church hall conservatism and beard stroking dinner party liberalism that completels ignores the issue that much of the younger generation of Britishers - who largely constitute the people there actually interacting day to day with our ethnic minority brethren - are thuggish scofflaw binge drinking chavs.

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I like digestives by MillMan

(4.00 / 1) #29 Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 04:53:08 AM EST

personally I'm wating for the "Gentleman's act" which will be the English equivalent to the US Patriot act.

"Just as there are no atheists in foxholes, there are no libertarians in financial crises." -Krugman
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Mmmmm, Digestives by Phage (4.00 / 1) #31 Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 04:59:46 AM EST

The perfect biscuit

It's like magic realism, but not shit. - Scrymarch.
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Maybe that could be one of our Shared Core Values by Rogerborg (4.00 / 3) #34 Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 05:39:13 AM EST

Q1: Do you like digestives?
A: Yes.
B: I am a terrorist.

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That's no good by komet

(2.00 / 0) #40 Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 05:57:09 AM EST

Lots of non-British people like digestive biscuits.

If you want to round up the Brits in a foreign land, try using a jar of Marmite.

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Need to be careful about that by Rogerborg (2.00 / 0) #46 Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 06:32:28 AM EST

We could net some Kiwis and Ozians who mistake it for Vegemite.

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Nah, never happen by monkeymind (4.00 / 1) #54 Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 07:17:58 AM EST

we can tell the difference. BTW the correct derogatory term is Aussies. We may live in Oz but we are Aussies. kthks.

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Aussies is derogatory? (n/t) by Cloaked User (2.00 / 0) #64 Fri Aug 05, 2005 at 05:09:16 AM EST

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: Nah not really by monkeymind (2.00 / 0) #65 Fri Aug 05, 2005 at 05:27:43 AM EST

just playing.

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When does tolerance end? by Rogerborg (4.00 / 3) #8 Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 02:40:03 AM EST

When do you say "Do please stop explicitely exhorting people to blow themselves up in crowded places, old chap."?

Because that's the situation we're in now. It's not theoretical.

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It's never been theoretical by priestess (4.00 / 2) #11 Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 02:50:29 AM EST

If they're just writing pamphlets or doing speeches saying that revolution is cool, you should overthrow the government, then that's fine. Protected scholarly debate. It was okay when Marx did it, it's still cool now. The response is to argue why this chap is wrong, not lock him up and turn him into a martyr while calling attention to what he's saying. CERTAINLY you don't lock him away in some torture-camp and witch-hunt the names of his friends out of him and them chase them in the same way.

Shin Fein is allowed, the IRA isn't.

If they're actually conspiring to blow something up, then that's conspiracy to commit treason or somesuch and jailtime awaits.

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That's a pretty distinction by Rogerborg (2.00 / 0) #33 Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 05:37:22 AM EST

Can you explain exactly when exhorting someone to do something becomes conspiring with them to do it?

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Times, Dates, Places, specific targets by priestess (4.00 / 2) #42 Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 06:08:31 AM EST

You know, when they actually start planning rather than just ranting.

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Fair enough by Rogerborg (2.00 / 0) #45 Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 06:31:35 AM EST

Just so we're clear, as far as you're concerned, it's OK for me to exhort people who I have a reasonable belief will follow my instructions to go out and kill people with ginger hair, as long as they do it at their own convenience?

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I think so by priestess (4.00 / 1) #47 Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 06:34:46 AM EST

Those who may do what you say will be the ones responsible for the deaths. I think the law should hold individuals responsible for their actions, not assume they're mindless robots. Even if it does look like some of they are!

I'd probably be mentioning to your followers what an absurd idea it was too.

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So, you sympathise with the ginges then? by Rogerborg (2.00 / 0) #49 Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 06:59:56 AM EST

The trouble with that view that you'd be giving my followers an alternative view is that it's not happening. I don't see people lined up outside radical mosques to hand out tea and biscuits and remind them that we're not such bad chaps, as Infidels go.

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Heh by priestess (2.00 / 0) #51 Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 07:01:39 AM EST

Well, perhaps we should. It'd probabably be a more effective way to waste 50 billion quid than, say, a war in Iraq.

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We almost certainly should by Rogerborg (4.00 / 1) #53 Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 07:06:55 AM EST

And we almost certainly aren't going to do so. We're not living in the Age of Aquarius any more.

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What age is it now anyway? by whazat (4.00 / 1) #59 Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 04:22:18 PM EST

Cancer would seem fitting.

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Taurus by Rogerborg (4.00 / 2) #61 Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 11:01:43 PM EST

Charge in a blind rage at any problem and stomp it into the ground.

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: Also by whazat (4.00 / 2) #63 Thu Aug 04, 2005 at 01:39:52 AM EST

All the bullshit currently being produced by the people in charge.

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Easy. by ReallyEvilCanine (4.00 / 4) #14 Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 03:02:20 AM EST

Why is it that immigrants are expected to conform to this code of Britishness

Duh, because they're immigrants! You don't like it here? There's some other place that's better? Then what the fuck are you doing over here and not there?

I worry that trying to remove multiculturalism would mean banning cultures, or banning subcultures, or banning thoughts and ideas. That's about as unbritish as you can get.

HAhahahahahahaha hoohoohoohoo guffaw guffaw hahahahaha chortle snort Tell that to the Indians, Chinese, Caribbean inhabitants, Aborigines, and anyone else living in a land which was ever subject to the the Crown. Hahahahahaha heeheeheehee hahaha LOLLERCOASTERS! ROFLCOPTERS! Lots of !!111!1oneoneone!eleven!s!

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It's not so black and white by xth (2.00 / 0) #19 Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 03:20:45 AM EST

Duh, because they're immigrants! You don't like it here? There's some other place that's better? Then what the fuck are you doing over here and not there?
I am an immigrant, I mostly like it here, but there are a few things I don't like it, amongst which the evil food the natives eat. Except for a cheese omelette with chips and beans when I am hang over, I do not conform to British culture, and do not eat it. You want to make something of it?

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: WHO'S YOUR CELL LEADER? by Rogerborg (2.00 / 0) #38 Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 05:50:06 AM EST

WHERE DO YOU GET YOUR PARMESAN?

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The british didn't BAN these cultures by priestess (4.00 / 1) #20 Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 03:27:46 AM EST

They plundered them horribly, certainly. They took the best of their traditions and ideas home and angelicized them. The Indians changed the British, they gave them curry and pajamas and cocktails. The Chinese changed the British, they gave them Tea and gunpowder.

Their cultures weren't banned, they weren't even stopped comming back to the UK. At least for the British Citizen, any idea is expressible. Any idea is allowable.

You don't ban the culture, you just angelicize it.

As for "becasue they're immigrants, if they don't like it they can go elsewhere". What about the immigrant that decides this is the best of all the horrible countries there. Better than anywhere else, but still in need of revolutionary change.

The "Go Somewhere Else" argument still applies to me, presumably, anyway. I probably have a better chance of getting into this "somewhere else" too.

Should British Citizens be allowed to have violent revoluionary ideas? I say "Yes! Of course!"

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Gunpowder wasn't plundered by the Brits by Gully Foyle (2.00 / 0) #23 Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 03:48:37 AM EST

It was plundered by the Mongols.

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Agreed to a point by Phage (4.00 / 2) #24 Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 04:11:41 AM EST

Should British Citizens be allowed to have violent revoluionary ideas?

You can have any idea you want, but when you start planning to use violence to gain those ideals (or exhorting others to use violence), you are no better than a criminal thug and deserve to be treated as such.

To quote M.Someoneorother, "Your right to swing your fists ends at my nose."

It's like magic realism, but not shit. - Scrymarch.
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: Mis-bolded by zantispam (2.00 / 0) #39 Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 05:51:54 AM EST

but when you start planning to use violence to gain those ideals
The planning is the action that is illegal.

Suffice to say you're one of those dicks that just keeps on giving, like a verdant dick-tree sprouted from a freshly fallen dick seed. -- debacle
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It's British to deny it by Rogerborg (2.00 / 0) #37 Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 05:49:14 AM EST

We're not quoshing their culture, we're just... civilising it.

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Why does anyone burn a flag? by monkeymind (4.00 / 2) #41 Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 06:00:23 AM EST

Simple: Because it makes good visuals for the news.

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It does annoy me by nebbish (4.00 / 1) #6 Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 02:34:53 AM EST

That a handful of people acting like idiots makes us reassess the way we treat everyone. On this evidence maybe if me and idiot boy set off a bomb in the name of tall people we'll end up with height restrictions or something.

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It's particularly aggravating in light of... by Rogerborg (4.00 / 1) #12 Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 02:54:44 AM EST

...previous attempts to raise this issue in a calm way which were ignored at the time because there didn't seem to be a pressing need. And now we're stagginging from pillar to post, for example announcing racial profiling and then denying it, thereby pissing off all the wrong people while not actually achieving anything.

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Why didn't they just say by jump the ladder (4.00 / 1) #13 Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 02:58:51 AM EST

They were going to stop people on the tube behaving in a suspicious way and leave at that instead of this 'racial profiling'.

Another thing is that muslims jihadists can be white as well.

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: Potential problems with that by nebbish (4.00 / 1) #18 Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 03:16:34 AM EST

See: the SUS laws in the late 70s and early 80s, when people could be stopped and searched on the street if they were acting suspiciously. It became common knowledge that acting suspiciously usually involved being black (later backed up by statistics), leading to serious rioting across the country in 1981.
Doing things in a backhand way might make matters worse - people don't like feeling they aren't getting the whole truth.
You're right about the potentiality for white suicide bombers, it's proportionately less likely, but still enough grounds to include whites in stop and search.
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Nationality is a nebulous (bogus?) concept by xth (4.00 / 4) #17 Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 03:16:32 AM EST

Flag burning and otherwise fanatical British Muslims are Britons. Therefore their culture is part of British culture. New and not very likeable, but still British.

I think we should treat Muslim fanatics the same way as Combact 18 supporters. Nobody called for an end of multiculturalism when a nazi fanatic put nail bombs in Soho and Brixton.

Further questions about nationality:
the early non-gnostic Christians, who'd refuse to worship the emperor, were they still Romans?
Jane Fonda, who spent time in enemy territory while her government was raping their country, is she still American? And if she wasn't then, is she American again now?
The Cambridge spies, who betrayed their government out of a mistaken belief a foreign country had a better political system, were they still British?
Hippies, who rejected modern society and all its trappings, are they still ${nationality}?
The crazy Yanks who found their own heavily armed religious and/or racist communities like Waco and or Stormfront , are they still Americans?
Are Gipsies British?

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: No fair asking new questions. by Rogerborg (4.00 / 2) #35 Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 05:46:34 AM EST

In theory I agree with you about the whole multicultural thing being a non-issue, but it's a matter of scale. There aren't, to the best of my knowledge, entire communities made up almost entirely of British Nazis, with their own schools, shops and places of worship. And I'm not saying that such communities should be discouraged; if I ever find myself living in some Commie hellhole like Italy, I'd certainly want to live amongst like minded people who speak at a civilised volume and frequency and don't keep their spare change in each others pockets, and I'd like my sprog to be brought up similiarly. But then, no, I wouldn't really consider myself to be an Italian. I might assert it, especially when convenient to do so, but I doubt that I'd feel it.
That's not an answer either, it's an attempt better to define the problem.

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: Um by ucblockhead (2.00 / 0) #48 Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 06:48:48 AM EST

I'm very confused...doesn't the UK have, like, rules for this sort of thing, so that you can say "Well, Mohammed Bin Bang took the test and the oath, so he's one of us."
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WIPO: don't send anyone anywhere. Jail criminals. by xth (4.00 / 2) #21 Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 03:39:30 AM EST

didn't even occur to you, did it? worse than hitlar etc

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Exactamente (nt) by Phage (2.00 / 0) #26 Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 04:13:34 AM EST

It's like magic realism, but not shit. - Scrymarch.
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That's fine by Rogerborg (2.00 / 0) #36 Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 05:47:53 AM EST

We already have buckets in the cells, so it'll be easy to scoop up their remains and put them in them. How long do we keep them there? Until they grow mould and start to smell?

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Until they repent, beome old and harmless, or die. by xth (2.00 / 0) #50 Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 07:00:31 AM EST

Whichever comes first.

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They're already dead by Rogerborg (2.00 / 0) #52 Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 07:05:23 AM EST

We're talking about suicide bombers here (when they can get it right). See, the whole bucket thing? Ah, never mind.

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: Me and my skip reading again. by xth (2.00 / 0) #55 Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 07:19:58 AM EST

Never mind. But then again, it applies to sending them back too.

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The idea by coillte (4.00 / 3) #30 Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 04:53:15 AM EST

of British has always been somewhat problematic. And interesting.

It means different things in Yorkshire to what it means in Glasgow, to what it means in Surrey and Lllandudno. It means something quite specific to a white Zimbabwean landowner, and something again to a retired colonel in the Royal Bombay Yacht Club.

It means something else entirely in early Saxony and Scandinavia.

And something else again if you happened to be Pictish.

It means a whole other thing in Belfast to what it means almost anywhere else.

And I'm sure the Normans had an unorthodox view with regard to border controls when they invaded. and were in vaded back by the French speaking English.

Theres a quote I use when people in Ireland rally round to defend the purity of Irish culture and race.

Theres nothing so ugly as the snarl of a mongrel defending its pedigree.

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British is pretty much a meaningless concept. by dmg (2.00 / 0) #66 Fri Aug 05, 2005 at 01:17:36 PM EST

The only reasonable definition is 'one who is in possession of a British passport'.

I don't identify myself as British at all. Or European for that matter. I consider myself culturally English and ethnically Irish.
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: I consider myself British by whazat (4.00 / 1) #67 Fri Aug 05, 2005 at 03:03:52 PM EST

Mainly because I have close enough celtic roots to want a certain amount of independant culture for my ancestral lands (and other celts). However as I have lived my whole life in England it would be foolish to consider myself anything apart from English or British. And British shows my split loyalties better.

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whoa by webwench

(4.00 / 1) #56 Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 09:16:51 AM EST

Hey, this makes the US looks pretty good in comparison, doesn't it?

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You guys are always a step ahead of us by Rogerborg (2.00 / 0) #57 Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 09:45:16 AM EST

You skipped the pointless step of effective but illegal targetted searches and went straight to the totally ineffectual ones. Nobody does mindless knee jerk window dressing reactions quite like you guys.

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: well, you see by webwench (4.00 / 1) #58 Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 09:55:31 AM EST

it's because we really are into this multiculturalism thing, unles you boys across the pond.

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1. What's "parents' evenings"? by ammoniacal (4.00 / 3) #60 Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 09:46:07 PM EST

2. Can you be a good Britain while not actually being British in any legal sense?
Yes. Hello there. Ammo Niacal, MiD.

It was an unholy union of text and pulped wood that the Ancients used to distribute their blogs.

: You actually read the references, didn't you? by Rogerborg (4.00 / 2) #62 Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 11:05:04 PM EST

Has nobody explained that you're just supposed to get the gist of them from the link titles? That's how reasonable people debate.

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