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By aphrael (Wed Aug 17, 2005 at 04:03:34 PM EST) (all tags)
It's August; I have to get on this or the election will come by before I know it.

Proposition 74 is an amazingly straightforward ballot initiative which makes two substantive changes to state law:

  1. It adds a paragraph to the part of the Education Code which specifies the rules by which teachers become permanent employees,  indicating that for any teacher originally hired in 2003-2004 or later, it will take five years for them to become a permanent employee rather than two;

  2. It adds a paragraph to the part of the Education Code which specifies grounds for dismissal of permanent employees by public school districts, indicating that the receipt of two consecutive unsatisfactory evaluations shall be considered "unsatisfactory performance" for which a permanent employee can be dismissed, and allows districts to fire such teachers without providing a 90-day period for the teacher to improve his performance prior to initiating dismissal proceedings.



With something this straightforward, it's unfortunate that the polemicists have decided to do their best to cloud the issue. The argument in favor of the initiative, printed in the ballot handbook, implies that it will get more money into the classroom, and suggests that the only reason one might have to be opposed to it is that ot one has been confused by union bosses. The rebuttal says that the initiative will discourage recruitment of quality teachers and that it is nothing more than an attempt to scapegoat teachers. The argument against goes even further, claiming that teachers don't have tenure (using a weaselly redefinition of the word) and outright lying with the claim that the initiative takes away the right of a teacher to an administrative hearing before they are fired.

Both are, I think, missing the point, and missing an opportunity; for it is difficult to make an informed decision on this proposition without understanding how it fits into the scheme of "tenure", and why we have such a thing in the first place.

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The first thing to ask, I suppose, is "is there such a thing as teacher tenure?" The California Teachers' Association, in their argument against Proposition 74, says there isn't: that "California teachers are not guaranteed a job for life, which means they don't have tenure." But Dictionary.com defines tenure as "The status of holding one's position on a permanent basis without periodic contract renewals", which status teachers clearly have. Moreover, teachers who have been granted 'permanent employee' status can only be fired for a select list of things, including (but not limited to) conviction of a felony, membership in the Communist party, alcoholism, and advocating criminal syndicalism; and even then, such employees are entitled to an administrative hearing, with appeals, to ensure that they are being fired for cause. Since most private sector employees live in a world where, unless they can prove they are being discriminated against in violation of the various civil rights acts, they can be fired at the whim of their employer, the status teachers have is quite different from that of ordinary employees. In common usage, "tenure" is the word used to describe that status. The CTA appears to be attempting to redefine the word away from its ordinary meaning.1.

But why does such a system exist? Part of it is a standard, bureaucratic protection offered to all civil servants: a protection against arbitrary dismissal for political reasons, the result of decades of effort to end the patronage games of nineteenth century politics. But that's not all of it; the historical record in California shows a pernicious system whereby school boards and administrators would lay off high-salary teachers in order to reduce expenditures (much as many companies will lay-off their most senior, expensive employees during budget contractions). And the pro-tenure rhetoric claims that the issue is "academic freedom" - eg, protecting teachers from being fired for teaching things that the research community believes to be true but which the Board of Education, Superintendent, or Principal do not.  All of this boils down to two general cases: tenure exists in order to (a) protect teachers from being fired for political reasons, and (b) protect teachers from being fired for failing to meet arbitrary criteria not related to their job performance.

I would submit that both of these are good things; moreover, I would argue that in concept this style of protection ought to apply to any job, anywhere. Employers in industries with highly competitive job markets understand this; few software companies would fire an employee for being a political activist in their spare time, and even fewer would require adherence to Disney-style dress codes. Yet employers in markets which aren't highly competitive are often not so enlightened; and employers who are effectively in monopoly positions vis-a-vis their workforce are rarely so enlightened. Rules like this, by infringing on the liberty of employers to not employ people who do things they dislike, extend and protect the liberty of employees to live their own lives free of interference by their employers. They are predicated on the presumption that, in contract negotiations, employers have the upper hand, and that the power to withhold a job is in effect a form of coercion - and that presumption is well borne out by the history of corporate activity, both within America and abroad. Their particular application in the world of public education is also borne out by history - given that, in a world with tenure, teachers can be fired for failing students who have committed the sin of plaigirism (if their parents are politically well connected), and given that in the pre-tenure world it was common for teachers to be fired for political activism, it is hard to imagine tenure, as such, as being anything other than a great boon to the freedom of teachers to live their own lives, free of slavish devotion to the whims of the body politic.

Yet the gap between intent and effect is often larger than the Colorado River's chasm; and - however much the rhetoric of those supporting the initiative suggests they would be perfectly happy to do away with tenure entirely - the question under consideration is not the abolition of tenure: it is, instead, the assertion that tenure has created a system in which it is impossible to fire teachers for cause, and the proposal of a specific fix for doing so. So, given that tenure is a good thing in concept, the next logical question is this: is there such a gap between the goal of tenure and its implementation, that firing teachers for cause is impractical?

The proponents of both answers to that question have armed themselves with naught aside from anecdotes. But anecdotes do not a good case make. Those who say 'aye' can cite any number of cases in which firing a particularly bad teacher was painful, expensive, and protracted; those who say 'nay' can cite any number of cases in which teachers have been fired for bizarre and quixotic reasons. There does not appear to be any reasonable statistical data on the subject. Yet I suspect the proponents have the advantage here; for who among us cannot remember, from our own educational experiences, a teacher who was simply so incompetent that he/she should never have been allowed to teach? My memories involve a teacher - let us call her Mrs. C - whose lectures were incoherent because she was drinking between classes, whose grading seemed to be based entirely on whether or not she liked the students, who was utterly unable to impart any information or passion in her classes whatsoever. She should have been put out to pasture, as the saying goes, long before she was; the fact that she wasn't indicates either incompetence on the district administrative level (in that they hadn't noticed the problem), or a sufficiently high cost of doing so that the district decided it wasn't worth it to pay that cost.

My anecdote, to be sure, does not a case make; but i'm convinced that almost every child of the public schools in California has a similar story. Most teachers are hardworking, devoted employees; but there are some bad apples, and getting rid of them seems to be impractical for some reason or another.

And yet ... how do you change the system to reduce the cost of getting rid of Mrs. C and her analogs, while also ensuring that it remains difficult for a school district to fire a teacher for attending an unpopular political rally or for getting pregnant while unmarried? In particular, does this initiative solve the former problem without recreating the latter?

The initiative is an attempt to solve the problem of Mrs. C and her cohorts, to be sure. It seeks to do so by extending the time it takes before a teacher is provided with the full protection of permanent employee status, a provision which has generated very little controversy; the idea seems to be that a longer time period will allow for more substantial analysis of the teacher's work. It also seeks to do so by changing the rules that govern when a permanent employee can be fired; and that is the point where it could become problematic.

California law already allows tenured teachers to be fired for "unsatisfactory performance", a term so vague as to be meaningless. Yet clearly it is difficult to establish "unsatisfactory performance" under the current rules - but the difficulty lies not in anything written in code or procedure, but in the mentality and mindset of teachers, administrators, and judges, and the body of precedent set in administrative hearings and their appeals. This initiative seeks to define a certain thing - "two consecutive unsatisfactory evaluations" as automatically constituting "unsatisfactory performance" and, to the extent that that same thing would not currently be construed as unsatisfactory performance, to bypass the established cultural  mentality and body of precedent. Fair enough; since those are the actual locus of the problem, that is the only way change is going to occur.

But what are the grounds for an "unsatisfactory evaluation"? The California Education Code requires that each district have a uniform system of evaluation (within the district), and requires that the standards used for such evaluation shall be assessed as it reasonably relates to certain educational objectives, except that "Nothing in this section shall be construed as in any way limiting the authority of school district governing boards to develop and adopt additional evaluation and assessment guidelines or criteria." In fact, while the education code contains some provisions indicating that the evaluation criteria MUST include certain things, it contains no exclusionary limits whatsoever on what cannot be used as grounds for evaluation.

So, if Proposition 74 passes, two unsatisfactory evaluations, which can be based upon any criteria the school district chooses, shall be sufficient grounds to terminate a "permanent employee".  Said employee shall, of course, be entitled to an administrative hearing and an appeal of the decision to fire them; but the law implies a presumption that the two unsatisfactory evaluations are sufficient, and it would therefore  be difficult to win such a hearing or  appeal. This initiative effectively allows teachers to be fired for any reason at all, providing only that the school board indicate in advance that something will be grounds for an unsatisfactory evaluation. It eviscerates, in short, the protections of tenure.

I agree with the proponents of the measure that tenure has introduced problematic side-effects that need to be remedied. I do not agree that this initiative is the way to do it. It eviscerates the meaning of teacher tenure, effectively using the existence of side-effects as an excuse for abolishing the system entirely. It attempts to fix a problem with tenure without taking into account the problems tenure was intended to fix.

1There is an interesting and bizarre political subtext to this initiative which I'll leave for a later post. I want to look at the merits of the idea before delving into the politics surrounding it, no matter how easy it is to get distracted by the latter.

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the real problem with education: by dr k (2.00 / 0) #1 Wed Aug 17, 2005 at 04:06:55 PM EST
parents. Teach your damn kid to read.

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why bother by LilFlightTest (2.00 / 0) #18 Thu Aug 18, 2005 at 04:26:01 AM EST
it's the school's job, remember? also, school is where a kid is supposed to learn respect, and manners, and everything else the parents can't be bothered to do with their child.
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Money by ucblockhead (2.00 / 0) #2 Wed Aug 17, 2005 at 04:58:29 PM EST
The argument in favor of the initiative, printed in the ballot handbook, implies that it will get more money into the classroom...

That sounds like an admission that the ease of firing would be used to get rid of high salary experienced teachers to solve budget issues.

My own anecdotal high school experience was of two abysmally bad teachers (including an english teacher who was not a native english speaker and who did not know simple grammar rules that I did at 15) who were essentially ignored while another, an amazing teacher who was one of the reasons I got a 5 on the AP bio test, was hounded out because the administration didn't like him.

As such, I'm dubious that making it easier to fire teachers would actually get incompetent teachers out. (And Gord knows they are there.) I do think it needs to be easier because I know that now the process is so difficult that even obviously incompetent teachers are left in simply because it is too much trouble to get them fired. But I don't destroying the system is the answer.

But the change from two to five years worries me more. If this passes, I am convinced that there will be districts in this state where teachers are be routinely let go just before their fifth year is up. Worse, the districts where this will happen will mostly be in districts serving poor communities as they are the ones with the biggest money crunches. So, in essense, the kids with the biggest issues will be taught by the teachers with the least experience. That's smart.

(This is already a huge problem...experienced teachers already flee the poor districts. If Arnold was really interested in improving educational quality, he should offer $10k/year combat pay to teachers who move from high-scoring districts to low-scoring districts.)



Would that help? by mrgoat (2.00 / 0) #7 Wed Aug 17, 2005 at 06:02:30 PM EST
Low scoring districts score low for reasons beyond having bad teachers, I'm sure. I believe a lot of them are in areas where the entire surrounding community is in pretty bad shape.

I just think that if kids are already growing up in an environment where stealing spark plugs off motorcycles for use as crack pipes is more highly regarded than knowing what "wherefore art thou" means, then paying the teachers a lot is more likely to get them mugged frequently than to really improve test scores.

I agree with the sentiment, but I bet you need more than highly paid (and presumably very good) teachers to get the level of education up.

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"Bad teachers" by ucblockhead (2.00 / 0) #9 Wed Aug 17, 2005 at 06:59:31 PM EST
I think you just want the best teachers where the problems are the worst.

Where I live, there's a very bad dynamic because few teachers want to work in Oakland (poor area) and most teachers want to live in Walnut Creek (yuppie area). So what tends to happen is that Walnut Creek gets lots of applicants and so hires people with experience. Teachers just breaking in have troubles getting jobs, and go to Oakland. As soon as they get a year or two experience, they get jobs in places like Walnut Creek. The end result is that Oakland, with less parental support and a crappy environment ends up with lots of inexperienced teachers while Walnut Creek, with more parental support and a good environment, ends up with lots of experienced teachers.

Perversely, initiatives like Bush's "No Child Left Behind" act make teachers even more apt to want to flee low-performing districts for fear that their pay and/or continued employment will be tied to test scores.

I agree that's only one of many things that need to happen in places like Oakland.

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I'll agree with that. by mrgoat (4.00 / 1) #12 Wed Aug 17, 2005 at 07:36:31 PM EST
And add that the skills necessary to make a difference to really low scoring districts are probably very different from the skills needed to make a difference, or even keep the same scores, in an already high scoring district.

Would it even matter if you took a Walnut Creek teacher with 12 years, and put them in Oakland, regardless of how much extra you paid them? I'll bet it's a whole different set of problems to deal with. A teacher in Oakland may need to literally dodge bullets, while a Walnutter might not have that experience.

I guess we've also got to consider the fact that it may very well be worth quite the pay cut just to get out of a crappy area. I had a band director in high school once, who turned down a large increase in pay (about 25,000 a year, I hear), and a promotion, just to stay where the music program was already good, instead of going where he'd have to start making it good.

We also need to consider where this hypothetical money would be coming from. Why would a rich family want their money going to bootstrap improvements in a poor community? I agree that it would be long term good for all, but Robin Hood isn't going to win a race for any public office anytime soon. Monied votes count more than unmonied ones, since our system allows monied peoples to buy the votes of unmonied peoples through various forms of coercion and media-based manipulation.

I guess I digressed there for a while, but I've had a few rums and surely you'll forgive me. We agree that the best teachers belong where they're needed the most, and that those places are where the problems are the worst, I just wanted to add that the best teachers for bad districts might be the worst teachers for good ones and vice-versa, so any blanket policy meant to attract the best teachers may be doomed to fail, in the face of a complex problem with a very, very complex solution.

Now, if there's some way to identify the teachers who will have the most impact on improving education for the poorer areas, and to pay those teachers more to attract them to the places where they're needed, I'm all for it. 'Course, the fact that you're paying them more may make them less effective in those areas too.

I dunno. I guess it's a giant class-warfare money-based clusterfuck of the poor.

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it's not so simple by martingale (2.00 / 0) #17 Wed Aug 17, 2005 at 09:15:25 PM EST
I think you just want the best teachers where the problems are the worst.
You're missing some variables when you suggest this. It's not clear that such a best teacher will output a more valuable student if the student lives in a poor neighbourhood than if the student lives in a rich neighbourhood.

As an extreme case, suppose such a best teacher either teaches a poor kid who will end up robbing a bank and spending 20 years in prison, as opposed to teaching Bill Gates Jr who will employ thousands of people in his daddy's company.

Imagine you have one excellent teacher and one mediocre teacher, and you can choose which one gets to teach the bank robber, and which one teaches BG Jr. The measurable benefits will be higher if the excellent teacher teaches BG Jr.
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Honestly by ucblockhead (2.00 / 0) #19 Thu Aug 18, 2005 at 07:19:55 AM EST
I disagree with your premise. I don't think anyone's destined to rob banks.

On the other hand, I think that there are lots of kids who are headed that way, who could be diverted.

Honestly, someone like BG Jr. I'd give the mediocre teacher. Why? Because a) he gets lots of parental support and b) he is bright and is more likely to succeed without help. IMHO, whether BG Jr. gets an excellent teacher or a mediocre one makes little difference. On the other hand, I believe that the difference between a mediocre teacher and excellent one can change the course dramatically for a poor, disadvantaged kid.

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premises by martingale (2.00 / 0) #20 Thu Aug 18, 2005 at 05:58:31 PM EST
There's nothing in BG's genes that makes his kid a bright fellow. A rich fellow, sure, but not necessarily bright. Both BG Jr and a kid in a poor neighbourhood are likely to follow a conditional path determined by the statistics of their upbringing.

There's more prosecuted crime in poor neighbourhoods than rich neighbourhoods, that's a fact. A single kid may turn bad or not in either place, but in the aggregate, a poor kid is destined to lose out simply by growing up in the wrong place without the benefit of wealthy parents.

So if one takes into account these likelihoods, then good teachers are simply wasted on the poor. Sure, improving teachers across the board is a good idea, but taking a good teacher away from a rich kid is a bigger loss to American society than letting that teacher influence a poor kid to escape crime.

It's not an egalitarian point of view, but it makes perfect sense in a corporate world. Every little bit of extra teacher talent that BG Jr gets will be translated into corporate wealth and jobs which forms the backbone of American society and trickles down to its other citizens, whereas even if the poor kid is wildly successful, he can never impact society the same way BG Jr could if BG Jr got the teacher, and not the poor kid. When I say "will", I of course mean on balance from a statistical point of view.

What you seem to be arguing for is a society with different values, where people are valued equally and the majority of people ought to be able to live a good life. In that context, lowering BG Jr's performance by giving him a less able teacher while helping a poor kid live a good life makes sense, but it's a much more socialist vision than what America's experiment is doing, I think.
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I disagree completely by ucblockhead (2.00 / 0) #21 Thu Aug 18, 2005 at 06:44:03 PM EST
My point is that a Bill Gates Jr. is very likely to succeed even with mediocre teachers while a poor kid may only succeed with good teachers. My belief is that for Bill Gates Jr. having a mediocre teacher isn't going to change much. He's still going to have parents with shitloads of money and probably have the support he needs to get into college, and from there, business.

I think the likelihoods are the opposite of what you say. I think that sending good teachers to poor areas is more "bang for the buck".

Having a crappy teacher is not going to stop Bill Gates Jr. from getting into college, however, having a good teacher may help one poor kid get into Harvard on scholarship. And that one poor kid may have the talent to change society far more than someone who happens to have a rich father.

The fact that there is more prosecuted crime in poor areas show how important it is as educated people are far less likely to commit crimes.

I'm arguing for a society where we attempt to give all kids the best start we can. I had thought we lived in a country where we tried to start people off equal, and where parent's wealth wasn't the sole driver of value to society. If that is socialist, so be it.

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succeed at what? by martingale (2.00 / 0) #22 Thu Aug 18, 2005 at 07:34:46 PM EST
There are plenty of examples of 2nd/3rd generation wealthy individuals who mismanage the family wealth and end up much poorer, but not before they've seriously affected the lives of their employees. Education is just as important for them as it is for everyone.

He's still going to have parents with shitloads of money and probably have the support he needs to get into college, and from there, business.
We seem to be talking about different things. You emphasize the individual's life, I'm emphasizing the individual's impact.

A company like Microsoft supports thousands of people directly, and is the lynchpin of the whole PC industry world wide. Literally millions of people world wide have their livelihoods linked to Microsoft's behaviour for better and worse.

Obviously BG Jr first has to go to kindergarten before he'll get to influence the company, but the point is that these rich kids are in positions of power. Yes they have the benefit of a support network, but the point is that if they mismanage their wealth it's the little people whose lives are in upheaval. If a poor kid mismanages his wealth, his family gets hurt and that's it.

Having a crappy teacher is not going to stop Bill Gates Jr. from getting into college, however, having a good teacher may help one poor kid get into Harvard on scholarship. And that one poor kid may have the talent to change society far more than someone who happens to have a rich father.
No, I don't accept that. That's American Dream balloney on many levels.

They might both end up in Harvard, but BGJr has the money to take decisions, while the poor kid is just a manager without money. He might accumulate wealth over time, but meanwhile he doesn't have the freedom to manage company affairs against the wishes of the real owners unless he's an owner too.

That said, chances are that they don't both end up at Harvard. The good teacher has a 100% chance of influencing a Harvard graduate if he teaches the rich kid, but has maybe a 1% or less chance of influencing a Harvard graduate if he teaches a random poor kid. The average payoff is just not comparable.

I'm arguing for a society where we attempt to give all kids the best start we can. I had thought we lived in a country where we tried to start people off equal, and where parent's wealth wasn't the sole driver of value to society. If that is socialist, so be it.
Well, you've got to choose which kid gets the benefit. Whatever choice you make, you can't give all kids the best start, someone is going to be stuck with the lesser able teachers unless you figure out how to make the top teachers take care of all children.

If you're looking for statistical equality at school level, the best way to achieve this is by employing teachers at random schools. Sometimes, a good teacher will end up teaching poor kids, sometimes he or she will teach rich kids. But of course it also means that teachers can't choose where they want to work, and the State has to guarantee equality through suitable legislation. This is how it works in some European and former Soviet countries, but it's also not very flexible because teachers (both school and university) tend to be stuck where they are posted and institutions don't have a say in who they employ.
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Sorry by ucblockhead (4.00 / 1) #23 Thu Aug 18, 2005 at 08:28:21 PM EST
I just couldn't disagree more. I firmly believe that teacher quality impacts disadvantaged kids far more than advantaged kids.

My claim is that teacher quality has a trivial effect on a rich kid's future and a massive effect on a poor kid's future.

You're claim seems to be that teacher quality effects both kids equally. I just don't buy that premise.

I'm not looking for statistical equality at all. I'm looking at producing the most bang for the buck. And I am convinced that concentrating on poor kids is far better for society as a whole than concentrating on rich kids. Because rich kids will have roughly the same effect on society either way, but poor kids may change from having a negative effect to a positive effect with the right prod at the right time.

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fair enough by martingale (2.00 / 0) #24 Thu Aug 18, 2005 at 08:35:14 PM EST
My claim is that teacher quality has a trivial effect on a rich kid's future and a massive effect on a poor kid's future.
We don't always have to agree ;-) But note I didn't say I'm measuring the kid's future, I'm measuring the effect on society of the kid's future actions.
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Well by ucblockhead (2.00 / 0) #25 Fri Aug 19, 2005 at 04:50:50 AM EST
You can take it as given that I think "effect on kid" == "effect on kid's future actions re: society".

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WIPO: by ammoniacal (2.00 / 0) #16 Wed Aug 17, 2005 at 08:33:03 PM EST
I would if I could.
California's educational "system" [!] needs to be re-booted.

God bless our troops, especially the Snipers.


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