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By ti dave (Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 08:17:49 AM EST) (all tags)
I'm finding it very difficult to warm up to the genre, as I'm learning that the scene, and even the music's lyric itself, is generally very sexist and misoginistic.
I used to think that Rap music was the worst offender, of all the varieties of music, but after I thought about it a bit, I realised that I could name a full dozen female rappers, who hold credibility in the Hip-Hop world, but I just couldn't produce a similar list of Ladies for the Punk scene.

Sure, iGrrl was a Punk Rocker, but there's an exception or two to every rule and I'm afraid I simply can't accept that sexist attitude coming from my speakers.

Don't even get me started on the inherent racism of the Punk genre.



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you forgot by StackyMcRacky (4.00 / 1) #1 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 08:20:35 AM EST
the "Discuss."

Could *you* start up a Punk Band? by ti dave (2.00 / 0) #2 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 08:28:32 AM EST
Discuss.

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

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yes by StackyMcRacky (2.00 / 0) #87 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 10:56:14 AM EST
but i'm something of an asshole.

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I believe that's a pre-requisite. by ti dave (2.00 / 0) #95 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 11:04:05 AM EST
The mammary tissue issue may work against you, however.

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

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it always does by StackyMcRacky (4.00 / 1) #112 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 11:24:17 AM EST


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And um... by ana (4.00 / 1) #3 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 08:29:26 AM EST
She'll point it out if nobody else does. Three R's in iGrrrl. Google (nsfw) to find out why.

Even if it had been raining flaming poodles, it's better than work. -- blixco

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Okay, I Googled. by FlightTest (4.00 / 2) #33 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 09:06:08 AM EST

Now I'm gonna puke. Then maybe gouge my eyeballs out.


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Your search - iGrrl - did not match any documents. by ti dave (2.00 / 0) #35 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 09:08:28 AM EST
Hrrrmmm. That's odd. Perhapsm we didn't use the same search parameters?

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

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Results 1 - 10 of about 43,500 for igrrl. by ObviousTroll (2.00 / 0) #44 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 09:15:44 AM EST
Perhaps you forgot to plug in your NIC?


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I was searching for images. by ti dave (2.00 / 0) #48 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 09:17:43 AM EST
I simply assumed you'd done the same.

That's what I deserve for assuming other people think like me.

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

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really? by sasquatchan (2.00 / 0) #47 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 09:17:34 AM EST
the second hit on the wrong spelling is her homepage, ya ? The don't dance with dna is her moniker, ya ? (granted, I'd want to be sufficiently differentiated from the incest sites in her case as well..)

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The two rr version by iGrrrl (4.00 / 2) #139 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 04:22:34 PM EST
isn't anywhere on my site or in my html.  Odd that it shows up.

"Beautiful wine, talking of scattered everythings"
(and thanks to Scrymarch)

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Not that odd. by ti dave (4.00 / 1) #154 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 09:43:17 PM EST
I suspect the Stonecutters had something to do with it.

Disclaimer: I am not affiliated with any real, or imaginary crypto-fascist organisation.

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

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reminds me by sasquatchan (2.00 / 0) #164 Wed Jun 22, 2005 at 05:47:52 AM EST
of a story a on-line humorist told.. (Mind you, I haven't tried it).. The gist of the story was about porn on the internet. He said google come/cum, keep adding u or o, until it gets really long. See how many letters you can add before google stops giving you hits. Perhaps google has some 'multiple letter reduction' algorithm in place.

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Yea, Though I May Walk Through The Valley Of Death by MohammedNiyalSayeed (2.00 / 0) #4 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 08:31:35 AM EST

Actually, that's not the subject line I wanted to use, but it looked more colorful; I just wanted to say the following name, then go attend to self-ministration at the very invocation:

KATHLEEN HANNA

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Not Punk Rawk by ti dave (2.00 / 0) #8 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 08:36:34 AM EST
Really.

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

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You know by Captain Tenille (4.00 / 1) #67 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 09:41:22 AM EST
I used to own her old couch. Really, I bought it from her for $35 at a garage sale she had about 8 years ago.

I had it for years and years, until my gf finally got me to get rid of it after years of griping. There's a lot of history that surrounded that couch. I should have donated it to the EMP or something. Oh well.

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+1, Hawt by MohammedNiyalSayeed (4.00 / 2) #69 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 09:50:06 AM EST

Dude, I would have bought that couch from you and shipped it cross-country. Just sayin'. There's probably all sorts of trace DNA from her drooling while napping that I could use to build my Kathleen Hanna Clone Army.


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how about sweat? by wndl (4.00 / 1) #75 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 10:26:28 AM EST
I'm sure she got some on my sweetie when they played soccer together. Kathleen Hanna on a soccer field was quite amusing, I must say.

"...there you have it: an actual anecdote, second hand, from the Internet."--DesiredUsername
"what fun is gettin naked on a webcam if ya have to provide tech support"--dev trash

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I'm a cloning hobbyist, not a professional by MohammedNiyalSayeed (4.00 / 1) #78 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 10:31:53 AM EST

But I'd think you could make a Kathleen Hanna clone out of her sweat, too. Also, PLEASE TO BE POSTING KATHLEEN HANNA SOCCER PIX, KTHX!


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Female Punk Bands and Musicians by Christopher Robin was Murdered (4.00 / 2) #5 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 08:31:57 AM EST
I stopped at 13 so we'd have one more than the dozen rappers you could name. We could go on though.

The Raincoats
The X-Ray Spex
The Slits
Siouxsie and the Banshees
Bikini Kill
Le Tigre
Bratmobile
Lunachick
Slant 6
Babes in Toyland
Essential Logic
The Avengers
Patti Smith


Half of those listed... by ti dave (2.00 / 0) #9 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 08:37:54 AM EST
Not Punk Rawk. Really.
Siouxsie? Not after the first album. Hardly Punk at that.

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

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Banshees Claimed Sid Vicious as a Member by Christopher Robin was Murdered (4.00 / 1) #27 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 09:00:32 AM EST
What's more punk than that? The Pistols and the Banshees played the same gigs and where part of the same scene.

Your definition of "punk" is weirdly narrow.

If you want to bitch that after that after the initial explosion of punk in the late '70s, a sort of blockhead stupid white boy skinhead hardcore mentality took over, that's one thing. I'd actually agree with you there. But the first wave of punk – around 1976-ish was remarkably diverse in both its sound and the type of people who were drawn to it.

Furthermore, there is still a strong tradition of feminist punk out there.

But let's go case by case. S and the B's started as a punk band. The Raincoats included members of the Slits, who were championed by the Clash - so those two count. X-Ray Spex did the whole "Bondage, Up Yours" thing the same time the Sex Pistols were releasing their singles, so the sound and the timing is right (by the way, lead singer also half-Somalian). Essential Logic included members of X-Ray Spex, so they're in. Bikini Kill and Le Tigre share members and their sound is punk rock. Lunachick is punk with a bit of an "art school" twist going (but the man who put the Pistols together was an art school grad himself, so the mix is natural to the genre). Slant 6 was on the Dischord label that brought you Minor Threat and Henry Garfield (aka Rollins). Babes in Toyland mixes punk with thrashy noise-rock and their sound is certainly more punk that half the tunes on, say, "London Calling." The Avengers were possibly the first punk band to emerge out of San Francisco and they opened for the Sex Pistols, so their cred is solid. And Patti, well, they don't call her the grandmother of punk for her light pop approach.

Perhaps you would like punk more if you actually explored its range a bit. Lots of different sounds out there. Punk included bands as diverse as Black Flag and Devo, the Talking Heads and Sham 69. Explore a little. It'll be fun.


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This is a bit too much for me. by ti dave (2.00 / 0) #29 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 09:03:21 AM EST
If you'd lump Lunachick, and Bikini Kill, fer chrissakes, in the Punk fold, then I'm not sure the rest of your advice is sound.

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

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Long time no see by DesiredUsername (4.00 / 1) #6 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 08:33:36 AM EST
ti dave

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Yes, DU. by ti dave (4.00 / 1) #10 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 08:38:27 AM EST
I see you, as well.

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

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The Clash. by ObviousTroll (2.00 / 0) #7 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 08:34:16 AM EST
I realize they aren't "pure" punk like the Sex Pistols - but with songs like "Straight to Hell" they should be up there one everybody's A-List.


No estrogen there. by ti dave (2.00 / 0) #11 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 08:39:13 AM EST
Perhaps you didn't actually read my Diary?

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

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What, they have to have a split tail to play music by ObviousTroll (2.00 / 0) #14 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 08:43:15 AM EST
Or perhaps there's a misogynistic subtext to their music that I overlooked? Does Lost in the Supermarket have a sexual connotation that I missed?


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I just want to see women represented in the genre. by ti dave (2.00 / 0) #17 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 08:53:34 AM EST
There's a definite dearth of women in the field, and I'd like to see that rectified.
p.s. Your "split tail" comment was way out of line, and I think you owe the women of the site an apology.

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

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I see. by ObviousTroll (2.00 / 0) #39 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 09:13:55 AM EST
Who are you and what have you done with Ti Dave?

More to the point: how do you expect to "rectify" an imbalance in what is essentially a dead musical genre?

Should we start bussing pop-divas from uptown into the badlands? Get them hooked on smack so they can get the proper musical background?


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I'm not so sure Punk Rock is Dead. by ti dave (4.00 / 1) #46 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 09:16:23 AM EST
Gosh, I hope my friend doesn't run across your estimate.

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

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Dead? by pinkcress (2.00 / 0) #61 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 09:29:51 AM EST
Not while Iggy Pop is still going!

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And if you've ever seen him... by ti dave (2.00 / 0) #64 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 09:31:19 AM EST
you know that Iggy shall never die.

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

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I have indeed by pinkcress (2.00 / 0) #66 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 09:35:13 AM EST
Rock, roll, etc.

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Well by ucblockhead (2.00 / 0) #49 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 09:18:15 AM EST
The tried that with The Breeders.
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I happen to like the Breeders. by ti dave (2.00 / 0) #53 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 09:22:42 AM EST
However, like you, I don't consider them to be a Punk Band.

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

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How about Yeah Yeah Yeahs? by Gully Foyle (2.00 / 0) #132 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 12:49:58 PM EST
They seem pretty punk to me. They're certainly part of this nu punk thing that seemed to happen a couple of years back.

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I saw them on MTV. by ti dave (2.00 / 0) #142 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 05:08:22 PM EST
So, no, they're not Punk.

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

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Really? Cool... by Gully Foyle (4.00 / 1) #156 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 11:53:11 PM EST
I guess Fever to Tell was pretty successful...

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Non-sexist [n] by TheophileEscargot (4.00 / 1) #12 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 08:40:05 AM EST

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Always my mantra, friend. by ti dave (4.00 / 1) #31 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 09:04:24 AM EST
I love everything that women bring to the table.

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

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A list by ad hoc (4.00 / 1) #13 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 08:41:02 AM EST
This is not to say they're good or still do punk(isH) (assuming they're even alive), but a few:

Patti Smith
Chrissie Hynde (Pretenders)
Debbie Harry (Blondie)
Wendy O. Williams (Plasmatics)
Siouxsie Sioux (Siouxsie & the Banshees)
Joan Jett (Blackhearts) (sort of)
Ivy Rorsach & Candy del Mar (The Cramps)
Nina Hagen
Sara Lee (Gang of Four)
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Joan Jett!? (nt) by ucblockhead (2.00 / 0) #16 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 08:53:20 AM EST

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Okay, scratch that one by ad hoc (2.00 / 0) #20 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 08:56:51 AM EST

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Dude by Bob Abooey (2.00 / 0) #22 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 08:58:42 AM EST
Everbody knows that Joan Jett was heavy metal, not punk.

Warmest regards,
--Your best pal Bob

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No, No, No! by ucblockhead (4.00 / 1) #25 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 08:59:58 AM EST
Lita Ford was the Heavy Metal Runaway. Joan Jett was just Hard Rock.
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Exactly. by ti dave (4.00 / 1) #38 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 09:11:09 AM EST
At least one voice of reason in these parts, thank the Lord.

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

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See above by ad hoc (2.00 / 0) #28 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 09:02:06 AM EST

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Patti Smith????? You have no idea what punk is by extremely tedious HuSer (4.00 / 3) #18 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 08:54:27 AM EST
Just because these people came out of NY at the end of the 70s doesn't make them punk. I would only class Nina Hagen and Siouxsie Sioux as punk, and they were active a full 20 years ago. And Siouxsie, she really is a goth but still.

Patti smith - bad poetry
Chrissie Hynde - MOR rock
Debbie Harry - disco
Joan Jett - come on!!! what next, the Monkees???
Ivy Rorsach - that's (rocka|psycho)billy
Sara Lee - new wave|dance

As a punishment, you should say 2000 hail marys while listening to the Ramones, the Buzzcocks and the Butthole Surfers non-stop for a week.

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CRWM needs to read your comment here. by ti dave (2.00 / 0) #26 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 09:00:28 AM EST
You've managed to say what I meant to say.

I'd buy into Nina Hagen as an example, but you're right, she has no fresh material.
I thought it was cute, how CRWM listed a bunch of bands with no major label representation.

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

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So, by blixco (2.00 / 0) #94 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 11:01:44 AM EST
define punk rock.
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I'd call Ms. Hagen the Grandmother of Punk. by ti dave (4.00 / 2) #100 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 11:11:54 AM EST
Go ahead. Try to knock this chip off my shoulder.

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

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At your service. by extremely tedious HuSer (2.00 / 0) #107 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 11:18:24 AM EST
This should do for a start

Punk rock, n
1. 'Punk' was a Western youth movement of the late 1970s, characterized by anti-establishment slogans and outrageous outifts. Its 'everybody can do it' philosophy inspired many artists and musicians to produce their own, always shocking and often technically inadequate, musical and visual creations. Punk rock was a hard, angsty music characterized by its simplicity, violent live shows, and the brevity of its songs.
2. Music revival styles which spring up from time to time and try to recapture some of the elements of the original, late 70s elements.

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Relying upon the dictionary is poor form. by ti dave (4.00 / 1) #109 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 11:21:08 AM EST
Frankly, I'd expect better of you.

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

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I did not! by extremely tedious HuSer (4.00 / 1) #110 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 11:22:35 AM EST
Well, I did look up the format, but the actual words are mine, thank you very much.

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So, by this definition, by blixco (4.00 / 2) #117 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 11:30:39 AM EST
New Wave was punk.
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Drawing us out, eh? by ti dave (4.00 / 2) #120 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 11:32:13 AM EST
I can dance that dance, mistar.

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

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Heh by Bob Abooey (2.00 / 0) #123 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 11:35:39 AM EST
New Wave was punk after it had a shower and a shave.

Warmest regards,
--Your best pal Bob

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And a giant fucking can of mousse. by ti dave (4.00 / 1) #125 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 11:37:57 AM EST
No, really.

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

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No angst, no short songs no violence at gigs. by extremely tedious HuSer (2.00 / 0) #126 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 11:45:23 AM EST


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No angst in New Wave??? by calla (4.00 / 1) #129 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 12:20:38 PM EST
I think these New Wavers had "Angst in my Pants".
Sparks

You can be smart as hell
Know how to add
Know how to figure things
On yellow pads
Answer so no one knows
What you just said
But when you're all alone
You and your head
What's the computer say, it's mumbling now
It says "hey Joe"
It's spelled it out and
"You've got angst in your pants"
"You've got angst in your pants"


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Gosh look at those creeps by extremely tedious HuSer (4.00 / 1) #131 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 12:34:57 PM EST
[shivers]

Good shout though, I had forgot about that tune though, time to update my collection.

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Huh. by blixco (4.00 / 2) #137 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 03:51:16 PM EST
You're just....wrong.

That's OK, though.
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Well, prove it by extremely tedious HuSer (2.00 / 0) #155 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 11:40:49 PM EST
You haven't said your side of the tale.

And New Wave, for your info, wasn't really a music scene in the way punk or, say, drum and bass was. It's just a marketing term which means what you want it to mean.

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There ya go. by blixco (2.00 / 0) #158 Wed Jun 22, 2005 at 02:18:27 AM EST
Thanks!

Bands like, well, all of the southern California punk scene in the late 70s and early 80s, you'd probably not classify as punk.

But hey, you've defined what the music is to you.  Whatever works.
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Like what? You mean Dead Kennedys and such? by extremely tedious HuSer (2.00 / 0) #159 Wed Jun 22, 2005 at 02:20:52 AM EST
They'd fit in alright

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DK were there. by blixco (4.00 / 1) #160 Wed Jun 22, 2005 at 02:25:40 AM EST
The Bags, the Dils, Circle Jerks, the Last, Zeros, the Zippers, the Weirdos, the Dickies (still around today), Black Flag, the Germs, and that band with Pat Smear and whatsername from the Go Gos.

Those were the hard bands, but the sound was punk / surf / whatever the hell they wanted to sound like.  It later solidified into a 3 chord angry thing, but the Bags actually had a ballad.  The Go Gos went the opposite way: started hard (in tiny little clubs and such) and ended up light.

There's such a huge spectrum to punk that, well, it's easier to say what it isn't.

Michael Jackson is not punk rock.

Mojo Nixon is.

Tool is not punk rock.

The Ramones always will be.

Etc.
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IAWTP by extremely tedious HuSer (4.00 / 2) #162 Wed Jun 22, 2005 at 03:24:44 AM EST
I don't know why you think I am not counting all those bands as punk - aren't they anti-establishemnt angsty shocking (or where at the time) and came out of the late 70s? It's just Blondie & Co. I don't consider punk, - yes she did a couple of punki-ish tunes ('Rip Her To Shreds') but if you go to a shop and buy Blondie products, you are going to come out of the shop with a whole lot of 80s disco music.

And in the end definitions are human-made, and can only be taken as a guidance.

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Right by Bob Abooey (4.00 / 1) #165 Wed Jun 22, 2005 at 06:52:53 AM EST
Blondie was mainstream all the way. She may have fit in well with the Punk crowd but her art was not punk.

Warmest regards,
--Your best pal Bob

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Don't forget Napalm Death, S.O.D. & by ti dave (4.00 / 2) #166 Wed Jun 22, 2005 at 09:06:26 AM EST
the Minutemen. Love the SoCal scene.

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

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Dude. by blixco (4.00 / 2) #167 Wed Jun 22, 2005 at 10:07:01 AM EST
160+ comments.

So well done.  Bravo!
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Chrissie Hynde?!? Debbie Freakin' Harry ?!? by ti dave (4.00 / 2) #21 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 08:57:38 AM EST
I fear for your definition of Punk Rock, Mr. Ad Hoch.

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

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70's era Blondie at CBGB's by ad hoc (4.00 / 1) #30 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 09:04:07 AM EST
I rest my case.

I'm not talking about the later Blondie that morphed into god knows what which is the same sort of evolution that brings us Led Zeppelin shilling for Cadillac.
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Oh, a gig at CBGB's makes one Punk? by ti dave (4.00 / 1) #37 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 09:09:57 AM EST
I'm not sure I'm following your train of thought here.

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

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Clearly not by ad hoc (2.00 / 0) #54 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 09:22:53 AM EST
try harder
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So, *how many* times did they play there? by ti dave (2.00 / 0) #57 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 09:26:21 AM EST
I wish you'd be a bit more direct with where this is going.

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

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I don't know by ad hoc (2.00 / 0) #58 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 09:28:26 AM EST
somewhere between "quite a few" and "a whole lot".
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Let's quantify this. I'm curious. by ti dave (2.00 / 0) #65 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 09:32:43 AM EST
I always thought Punk was about an attitude, though you've clearly demonstrated that I. am. wrong.

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

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Oh my God. by blixco (4.00 / 2) #91 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 10:58:22 AM EST
We're going to get into a sub-genre thing, here, aren't we?  Because the Go Gos were also Punk.

There's too many different kinds of punk to classify properly, but NYC had this scene that eventually, with the help of southern California, turned into New Wave, which was, for gosh sake, punk mixed with top40.

Nice troll, too.  Ya wierdo.  Don't you have anything better to do?  A girl to plot with?  That's a much better troll.
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GoGos were Punk? 'Our Lips Are Sealed'? Meh. by ti dave (4.00 / 1) #98 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 11:09:19 AM EST
You're not off the hook yet, pal.

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

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Blondie???? by Bob Abooey (4.00 / 1) #50 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 09:19:06 AM EST
Are you nuts? Blondie wasn't punk, she was rock/disco.

Jeez, this place used to be hip but now it's going to heck in a handbag.

Warmest regards,
--Your best pal Bob

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Ease off on the whey by ad hoc (4.00 / 5) #55 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 09:23:51 AM EST
you're getting unbalanced.
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Dude by Bob Abooey (4.00 / 3) #62 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 09:30:18 AM EST
You forget, I'm a musician, I'm an expert on this stuff.

When we have questions about bicycle spokes we'll ask you.

Warmest regards,
--Your best pal Bob

[ Parent ]
I've heard you play by ad hoc (4.00 / 3) #72 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 10:10:15 AM EST
and yes, I did forget you were a musician*.

*these things may be related
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You thought Blondie was punk too by Bob Abooey (4.00 / 1) #74 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 10:24:33 AM EST
QED

Warmest regards,
--Your best pal Bob

[ Parent ]
And I was correct there too by ad hoc (4.00 / 1) #82 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 10:49:42 AM EST

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Spinning "Heart of Glass" right *now*. by ti dave (4.00 / 1) #97 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 11:06:06 AM EST
Nope... Looks like you're still wrong.

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

[ Parent ]
Try by ad hoc (2.00 / 0) #134 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 01:11:03 PM EST
the special extended dance remix version.
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Is that what you people play in your clubs? by ti dave (2.00 / 0) #145 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 05:16:23 PM EST
Thank TISG, I'm straight.

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

[ Parent ]
Amen to that by ad hoc (4.00 / 1) #148 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 06:49:42 PM EST

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Lets compromise by Bob Abooey (4.00 / 1) #106 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 11:17:52 AM EST
If you can agree that I'm right I'll agree to stop pointing out the obvious, but will still let you have the right to be wrong at some point in the future under extra-ordinary circumstances.

Deal? Deal.

Warmest regards,
--Your best pal Bob

[ Parent ]
I would expect nothing less from you. by ad hoc (2.00 / 0) #133 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 01:10:43 PM EST

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but things change by iGrrrl (4.00 / 3) #138 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 04:08:19 PM EST
The Clash seem pretty tame now, but when they first came out, they were punk.  Also, they were toned down by production values.  The Pretenders were considered punk.  Blondie was definitely punk, especially before the studio producers got their hands on the band.  (Heart of Glass was originally more Reggae/Ska than disco.)

And a hairdo does not a punk make.  A lack of hairdo does not exclude one from punk.  Violence does not a punk make.  A lack of violence does not exclude one from punk.  Those are hindsight impositions.

Patty Smith was the Mother of All Female Punks

Chrissie Hynde, definitely punk in her day (See "Precious")

Wendy O. Williams (Plasmatics)  Defined an entire punk esthetic, both in look and life.

Siouxsie Sioux (Siouxsie & the Banshees)  There was no Goth when Souxsie broke.  She was most certainly considered punk.

Joan Jett (Blackhearts) (sort of)  (No, not really, sorry)

Ivy Rorsach & Candy del Mar (The Cramps) ABSOFRAGGINLUTELY

Nina Hagen  was art punk. 

Sara Lee (Gang of Four) was a goddess on the bass.  She was the anti-Sid, and she was still punk.  (Talking Heads, The Pogues and Black Flag had female bassists, too.)

Oh, and there was Holly and the Italians, a Ramones-esque punk band. Lene Lovich.  Exene Cervenka of X. The Slits.  The GoGos started out as punk (another example of production and pop ruining the vibe and thrash), wearing trash bags as dresses.

And that brings me to another point.  Punk now is defined only as black leather and studs or spikes - modified fetish gear pushed by Sex Pistols' manager Malcom McLaren.  It was much, much more wide-open and culture-jamming in its day.  Think of Lydon in his white suit jackets and fop ties.

Do you fear my definition?  I lived it, kiddo.

"Beautiful wine, talking of scattered everythings"
(and thanks to Scrymarch)

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+4; Lene Lovich. by ti dave (4.00 / 1) #143 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 05:11:11 PM EST
That was the Magick Word.

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

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Curse you adhoc, I must now find some Plasmatics by georgeha (2.00 / 0) #80 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 10:35:40 AM EST
I used to listen to them on my Walkman clone, on high it would drown out my gas lawnmower.


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Don't bother. by ti dave (4.00 / 1) #81 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 10:49:09 AM EST
She's a talentless hack with a nipple fetich.

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

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was by georgeha (4.00 / 1) #93 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 11:01:23 AM EST
she turned a shotgun on herself a few years back. She was supposedly the valedictorian of the high school of $suburb I am in, sort of a local girl gone bad.


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WTF? by lm (2.00 / 0) #149 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 06:57:11 PM EST
Well, now I know you've been trollerizing us for certain. Just how would being a talentless hack disqualify Wendy O from being a punk rocker?

There is no more degenerate kind of state than that in which the richest are supposed to be the best.
Cicero, The Republic
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Listen ti by Bob Abooey (4.00 / 1) #15 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 08:47:58 AM EST
Go out to the local Best BuyTM and pickup a copy of London Calling by The Clash. Those guys were all about the love.

QED

Warmest regards,
--Your best pal Bob

Are you filtering Obvious Troll's comments? by ti dave (4.00 / 1) #19 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 08:55:43 AM EST
ONCE AGAIN, there were NO WOMEN in the Clash.

Please don't lose track of the thesis, Bob.

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

[ Parent ]
Obvious candidates by extremely tedious HuSer (2.00 / 0) #23 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 08:58:50 AM EST
The Slits.

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Do you *not* see something wrong with that name? by ti dave (2.00 / 0) #32 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 09:05:39 AM EST
It's the inherent sexism I was referring to. Gah!

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

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But they were throwing it back in people's face! by extremely tedious HuSer (4.00 / 1) #36 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 09:09:40 AM EST
Wasn't part of the appeal of punk the fact they were reacting to the hippies? You have to take historical context into account.

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I suppose that was their intent... by ti dave (4.00 / 1) #43 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 09:15:08 AM EST
misguided as it may be.

It seems to me that they drove away any potential female fans, by naming themselves after such a crass term for a respectable and venerable portion of the female anatomy.
It makes me ill, when I think about the lack of respect shown there.

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

[ Parent ]
Sexist by Bob Abooey (2.00 / 0) #24 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 08:59:32 AM EST
~nt~

Warmest regards,
--Your best pal Bob

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Escargot says otherwise. See Above. by ti dave (2.00 / 0) #34 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 09:06:24 AM EST
Thanks for your inpout, Bob.

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

[ Parent ]
Dude by Bob Abooey (2.00 / 0) #40 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 09:13:57 AM EST
He's no tps12, therefore he knows not of what he speaks.

QED

Warmest regards,
--Your best pal Bob

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I worry about this tps fellow. by ti dave (4.00 / 2) #51 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 09:19:12 AM EST
He needs to get out of the City more often.

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

[ Parent ]
Don't forget The Clash (nt) by ucblockhead (4.00 / 2) #41 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 09:14:34 AM EST

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[ucblockhead is] useless and subhuman
Alas... by ti dave (2.00 / 0) #56 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 09:24:01 AM EST
Already forgotten. RIP Joe Strummer.

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

[ Parent ]
Racism in punk by extremely tedious HuSer (2.00 / 0) #42 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 09:14:40 AM EST
Well that is true of many music genres: how many black metallers, country & western, goths, grungists can you listen, and what about all the fuss whenever a white person tries to rap?

Yes, I don't understand that either. by ti dave (4.00 / 1) #59 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 09:28:58 AM EST
Obviously, white people are able to speak rythmically, and many have come from difficult circumstances on the street, so there certainly ought to be some allowances made for the acceptance of white rappers?

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

[ Parent ]
Dude by Bob Abooey (2.00 / 0) #70 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 09:52:44 AM EST
Are you trying to imply that rhythm is racially biased??? That's outrageous, even for you. Really, what next, ti?

Somehow I've a feeling that it won't be long afore the Nazi's are going to work their way into this thread.

Warmest regards,
--Your best pal Bob

[ Parent ]
Actually, it's a religious thing. by ObviousTroll (2.00 / 0) #77 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 10:29:24 AM EST
We Catholics have had rhythm removed from our gene pool thru selective breeding. (For example, see LilFlightTest's diary...)


[ Parent ]
The NAZI's *what*? by ti dave (4.00 / 1) #83 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 10:50:32 AM EST
Their what, Bob. Their what?

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

[ Parent ]
Game, set by pinkcress (2.00 / 0) #128 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 12:16:58 PM EST
match

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[ Parent ]
the acceptance of white rappers? by dmg (2.50 / 2) #76 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 10:28:42 AM EST
I've expounded on this subject at length before.

Racism is to blame.
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dmg - HuSi's most dimwitted overprivileged user.

[ Parent ]
What about Derrick Green of Sepultura? n/t by vorheesleatherface (2.00 / 0) #169 Wed Jun 22, 2005 at 06:30:41 PM EST



[ Parent ]
sayy by webwench (4.00 / 1) #45 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 09:16:04 AM EST
Didn't we have a holy war about some other genre of music here some time ago?


That's enough meta-commentary, my dear. by ti dave (2.00 / 0) #52 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 09:21:40 AM EST
How are you set for Av Gas?

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

[ Parent ]
ahh by webwench (2.00 / 0) #68 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 09:45:45 AM EST
You know I wouldn't be flying myself up there, right? It's cheaper to go commercial, and certainly less stressful.


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Now I am confused. by ti dave (2.00 / 0) #84 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 10:51:57 AM EST
Change of plans? Shoot us a note, plzkthnx.

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

[ Parent ]
Haha by pinkcress (4.00 / 3) #60 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 09:29:02 AM EST
Judging by the number of comments, the music genre thing looks like a fun button to press.

All hail music categorising nazis.

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National Musicalist. by ti dave (4.00 / 1) #63 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 09:30:25 AM EST
[no tolerance]

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

[ Parent ]
Female Punk Rockers by thenick (4.00 / 2) #71 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 10:10:15 AM EST
What about Avril Lavigne?

 
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"'Vengence is Mine', quoth Alvis. And then he shot the guy, right in the freaking face!"

She's Canadian. by ti dave (2.00 / 0) #85 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 10:53:13 AM EST
I think that says it all.

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

[ Parent ]
What about by Captain Tenille (4.00 / 1) #90 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 10:58:12 AM EST
... DOA or the Dayglo Abortions? They're Canadian and punk. The Dayglo Abortions were so punk, they had to sneak into the US to play shows.

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Big DOA fan here. by ti dave (4.00 / 1) #99 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 11:10:36 AM EST
I can make provisions.

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

[ Parent ]
Dayglo Abortion by iGrrrl (4.00 / 2) #140 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 04:29:03 PM EST
We had them at Planet 10, if I recall correctly.  In the US.  In Florida, very far from the Canadian Border.  We had no trouble booking them.

"Beautiful wine, talking of scattered everythings"
(and thanks to Scrymarch)

[ Parent ]
VS2FP by MillMan (2.00 / 0) #73 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 10:18:05 AM EST
best troll since Superdiva showed up in MNS' hip hop article.

"Just as there are no atheists in foxholes, there are no libertarians in financial crises." -Krugman

Ah yes by webwench (2.00 / 0) #79 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 10:35:30 AM EST
That's the holy war I was trying to remember.


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Troll? Jesus Christ, you people are embittered. by ti dave (4.00 / 3) #86 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 10:55:32 AM EST
Can a guy just vent over his friend's musical preference?

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

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That's a nice one, too. by blixco (4.00 / 2) #92 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 11:00:17 AM EST
You're not quite up to rmg standards, though.
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That's because I want to belong. by ti dave (4.00 / 2) #108 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 11:20:04 AM EST
Strike that. I wouldn't belong to any club that'd have me as a member.

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

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Heh. by blixco (4.00 / 3) #119 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 11:31:13 AM EST
I love you, ti dave!
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...and ti_dave loves you, my Son. by ti dave (4.00 / 2) #150 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 09:32:18 PM EST
We'll see a blixco missive out of this mess, before a fortnight passes.

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

[ Parent ]
trolling by MillMan (2.00 / 0) #127 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 11:50:57 AM EST
is in the eye of the beholder. The intent to troll does not have to occur in order for trolling to take place.

"Just as there are no atheists in foxholes, there are no libertarians in financial crises." -Krugman

[ Parent ]
Oh, you saw "Batman Begins" too? by ti dave (4.00 / 2) #153 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 09:37:18 PM EST
How'd you like it?

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

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I'm surprised no one's brought up Crass. by Captain Tenille (4.00 / 2) #88 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 10:56:50 AM EST
Penis Envy, anyone?

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Can this be found via Google? by ti dave (4.00 / 1) #101 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 11:14:28 AM EST
I don't want to have to dig too deeply.

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

[ Parent ]
Of course. by Captain Tenille (4.00 / 2) #114 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 11:26:02 AM EST
Google "crass".

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Excellent. by ti dave (4.00 / 1) #115 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 11:29:20 AM EST
Google "fluffy's in town and needs to get drunk".

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

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This weekend by Captain Tenille (4.00 / 1) #122 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 11:35:18 AM EST
Is "that weekend" once again, sir. I have to go see Margaret Cho on Friday, but I'm open Saturday.

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12 by yicky yacky (2.00 / 0) #89 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 10:57:43 AM EST

1.) Crazy Now
2.) The Dressing Room
3.) Hot, Quick and Tight
4.) The Girls
5.) The Stand
6.) It Baby
7.) Sock 'em
8.) Miss Mackenzie
9.) It Gets In
10.) The Frenzy
11.) The Wigglin' Guitars
12.) Kicked


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Are these songs, or are they bands? by ti dave (2.00 / 0) #103 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 11:15:37 AM EST
Jesus Christ. What is it about my diaries that makes people so god-damned incoherent?

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

[ Parent ]
Well, damn it ti, - *you're* supposed to be the by yicky yacky (4.00 / 1) #111 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 11:22:40 AM EST
punkmeister
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Correct. by ti dave (4.00 / 2) #116 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 11:30:25 AM EST
Someone else is the Punkmeisterin.

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

[ Parent ]
Dude, by blixco (4.00 / 2) #96 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 11:05:03 AM EST
iGrrrl is a punk rocker.  She's just a punk rock scientist.
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I'll drink a toast to Punk Rock Science. by ti dave (2.00 / 0) #105 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 11:17:28 AM EST
Zum Prosit.

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

[ Parent ]
What about the Daisy Chainsaw? [NT] by mmangino (2.00 / 0) #102 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 11:15:16 AM EST
eleventeen

Sound Goth to me. by ti dave (2.00 / 0) #104 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 11:16:14 AM EST
I dunno. Post some links, dude.

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

[ Parent ]
A single link by mmangino (4.00 / 1) #113 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 11:25:33 AM EST
an Overview that puts them in with some other bands discussed.

If you can't find any of it online, let me know and I will share Love Your Money. It is an incredible album

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ROGER. WILCO. by ti dave (2.00 / 0) #118 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 11:31:00 AM EST
Thanks for teh link, dude.

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

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my favorite punk band by calla (4.00 / 2) #121 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 11:32:46 AM EST
my buddies, The Sugar Skulls. Fronted by the beautiful and luscious Heather. Imagine a punk Patsy Cline.

Their album "The Waking Hour" is available on iTunes.


Patsy Cline: *Not* Punk Rawk. by ti dave (4.00 / 1) #124 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 11:37:00 AM EST
I shall examine the link to your "Sugar Skulls" friends, which sounds suspiciously like the "Super Skrulls", who would always be menacing the Avengers*.

*The original Avengers, not the Johnny-come-lately West Coast wanna-be Avengers.

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

[ Parent ]
I forgot another favorite punk band. by calla (4.00 / 4) #130 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 12:25:10 PM EST
Ramones
These girls wrote some of the sweetest love songs. Notice how they all had such pretty long hair.


The one on the right's kinda cute. by ti dave (4.00 / 1) #152 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 09:36:36 PM EST
Yeah, I can see where you're coming from.

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

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Sweet Joey by calla (4.00 / 1) #168 Wed Jun 22, 2005 at 02:04:19 PM EST
She's got quite the physique.

I've always been fascinated by the sweetness of their lyrics in contrast with the thrashy roughness of their music.

Examples:

I Wanna Be Your Boyfriend
Hey, little girl
I wanna be your boyfriend
Sweet little girl
I wanna be your boyfriend
Do you love me babe?
What do you say?
Do you love me babe?
What can I say?
Because I wanna be your boyfriend

Oh Oh I Love Her So
Hanging out on a night like this I'm gonna give her a great big kiss
I'm gonna make her mine and everything's gonna be real fine

I met her at the Burger King we fell in love by the soda machine
So we took the car downtown the kids were hanging out all around
Then we went down to Coney Island on the coaster and around again
And no one's gonna ever tear us apart cause she's my sweetheart
All right, oh yeah

Oh oh I love her so Oh oh I love her so Oh oh I love her so


[ Parent ]
Okay, let me try by lm (4.00 / 1) #135 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 02:05:52 PM EST
Off the top of my head:

The Plasmatics
Eva O
X
Blondie
Baby Buddha
The Slits
Siouxsie Sioux
Black Flag
Brainiac

Oh, you must be right, that's only 9.

But aside from that, ti dave, you can claim all you want to have difficulty warming up the genre, but I've got one word for you: Devo.


There is no more degenerate kind of state than that in which the richest are supposed to be the best.
Cicero, The Republic
AAAARRRGH! Stop with the Blondie name-drops! by ti dave (2.00 / 0) #144 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 05:15:03 PM EST
You people and your Blondie fetisch. Urrggh.

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

[ Parent ]
That's because Blondie is punk with a capital P by lm (2.00 / 0) #147 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 06:24:47 PM EST
Blondie was not a punk rock band. So why were they in PUNK magazine so often?

...we published all that stuff about Blondie in PUNK magazine because everyone in the band was so cool. So there.

Here's a hint. Punk is an attitude, not a musical genre.


There is no more degenerate kind of state than that in which the richest are supposed to be the best.
Cicero, The Republic
[ Parent ]
Yes, I already said that in comment #65. by ti dave (2.00 / 0) #151 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 09:33:36 PM EST
Please, try to keep up.

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

[ Parent ]
Try? by lm (4.00 / 1) #157 Wed Jun 22, 2005 at 01:04:32 AM EST
That would take, like, effort.

There is no more degenerate kind of state than that in which the richest are supposed to be the best.
Cicero, The Republic
[ Parent ]
Oh puleez by Bob Abooey (4.00 / 2) #161 Wed Jun 22, 2005 at 03:22:56 AM EST
Debbie Harry was hot back then, that's why they put her in magazines. Hot chiXoRs sell more magazines. Ipso Facto and QED.

Warmest regards,
--Your best pal Bob

[ Parent ]
Nonsense by extremely tedious HuSer (4.00 / 1) #163 Wed Jun 22, 2005 at 05:16:43 AM EST
She hanged out with them at an early stage of her career, that's all. It's like saying Jimi Hendrix was a jazz musician because he did a couple of jam sessions with Miles Davis

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hrm by yankeehack (4.00 / 1) #136 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 02:08:18 PM EST
How about Dead Milkmen, Rancid and Op Ivy? 
"...she dares to indulge in the secret sport. You can't be a MILF with the F, at least in part because the M is predicated upon it."-CBB
seen 'em all by iGrrrl (4.00 / 1) #141 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 04:34:22 PM EST
IIRC, they're all male.  Especially Operation Ivy, which is still one of my favorites.  Nice guys after the show, too.

"Beautiful wine, talking of scattered everythings"
(and thanks to Scrymarch)

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Like DDWDNA said... by ti dave (4.00 / 1) #146 Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 05:20:03 PM EST
Not an ovary in the bunch.

Help your sisters out here, and suggest some musical ladies with attitude.

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

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Don't tell me by Rogerborg (2.00 / 0) #170 Thu Jun 23, 2005 at 05:31:16 AM EST
More your style.

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Metus amatores matrum compescit, non clementia.
Don't tell a soul... by ti dave (4.00 / 1) #171 Thu Jun 23, 2005 at 10:39:04 AM EST
I can line dance.

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

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I never doubted it for a second by Farmgirl (4.00 / 2) #172 Thu Jun 23, 2005 at 10:48:04 PM EST
Say though, can your new persona line dance, or is that a dark secret from your past?

I can't be bothered to change this sig.
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You were right. by ti dave (4.00 / 1) #173 Fri Jun 24, 2005 at 05:12:55 PM EST
They really don't log out, eh?

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

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