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By nebbish (Mon Apr 04, 2005 at 10:55:52 PM EST) (all tags)
Heading off for Genoa on Saturday morning. I'd be looking forward to it a lot more if the flight wasn't at 7am with fucking Ryanair. Idiot boy's coming too though which is great. Apart from him being my mate and stuff like that, I've only flown once before and the thought of going by myself was a bit daunting.


Due to popular demand we're setting off for Florence pretty much as soon as we land, spending a night there, then a night in Genoa before flying home. This is the plan anyway - it could all change.

I wasn't sure about doing a whirlwind tour of Florence, but it seems daft to pass on the opportunity considering how much I want to visit the city.

So - what to see in Florence? Please advise.

Belgium

Went to Belgium on one of our organised estate days out on Saturday. Don't think I'll bother again. Most of the day is spent in tobacco and wine warehouses and I was fucking knackered after getting up at 5.30am. Not worth it for 3 hours on the beach at De Panne, lovely though it was.

Also, if I'm there everyone expects me to sort everything out despite us being quite strict about the tenants needing to organise these things themseves. Doesn't make for a fun day out.

Telly

Dr Who fucking rocked. Simple, effective plot, great use of music, jokes that were actually funny, Billy Piper. I think what Theophile Escargot said after episode one was spot on - the real pleasure is the fast pace and presumption that we can follow it and don't need it all explaining again and again. Very refreshing.

Books

Read Stasiland whilst I was up in Lincolnshire (left Ubik at home by mistake, along with changes of pants). Really very good and a lot different to what I was expected. You could call it gonzo journalism at a stretch - Funder spends as much time talking about her life in modern Berlin and uncovering people's stories about the Stasi as she does on the stories themselves. What's most shocking in the end is that she doesn't have to look far - everyone has a story about a run-in with the Stasi, she just has to interview her friends. A frightening book that made me very angry, but also got me pining for Berlin. I love that city.

Read Holly Johnson's autobiography A Bone in my Flute last night for a bit of easy escapism. I've read it before and it's the usual sex and drugs stuff, but very entertaining and wonderfully catty. Not as good as Boy George's, but a lot better than Lemmy's.

A couple of points - the treatment of AIDS patients by health professionals in the mid-1980s was appalling. Holly's then boyfriend was misdiagnosed just because he was gay and had an absess, and told matter-of-factly that he was going to die and nothing could be done, by a nurse in what looked like a radiation suit. A lot of the people around Holly also seemed to think that promiscuous gays deserved it, despite being part of the supposedly liberal fashion and pop worlds. It's made me want to read more about AIDS in that era.

Another interesting thing I picked up from the book was how much cooler Liverpudlians are than Mancunians. They don't try as hard, and don't have that unfortunate anti-intellectual, wannabe gangster stance Manchester has had since the late 1980s. And let's face it, Frankie Goes to Hollywood were about as cool as they come.

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So much too see in Florence by jump the ladder (4.00 / 1) #1 Mon Apr 04, 2005 at 11:00:01 PM EST
Cathedral's good also the Uffizzi art gallery is good but you need to queue up a long time  to avoid the hordes. Just wandering round the town is great with all the renaissance buildings.



Wandering about by nebbish (2.00 / 0) #2 Mon Apr 04, 2005 at 11:02:48 PM EST
Usually when visiting somewhere I plan a few destinations and walk between them so you get the best of both. I'm not big on art galleries (despite loving art) because they take so long to get round, but I'm with someone who'll want to see at least one, so thanks.

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Na na na na na na! by extremely tedious HuSer (4.00 / 1) #4 Mon Apr 04, 2005 at 11:55:42 PM EST
You are flying Ryanair! Na na na na na na!

Museum Warning: just so that you know, most museums in Italy are shut on a Monday.

Florence Warning: to prepare yourself for a holiday in Florence, spend a summer afternoon in Covent Garden. It's that bad.

Florence Warning 2: unless you have Abramovich's kind of pocket money, on no account you should purchase any cappuccinos, sandwiches or (god forbid) main courses anywhere where you can see a monument. Extreme fleecing applies.

Florence Warning 3: Perhaps I am jaded, but IMHO, Florence is overrated. There are many cities just as nice in central Italy. If you are going for the food, you may be disappointed in Florence - the tourist trap effect (but do try beef steaks from the local breed of oxen).

Last attempt at getting you out of Leicester Sq Warning: if either of you guys drive, get a car and drive the long way to Genoa from Florence. It's a nice drive, and you can stop for lunch in some nice, chilled small town.

Have fun warning: have fun!

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Thanks :-) by nebbish (2.00 / 0) #7 Tue Apr 05, 2005 at 12:22:18 AM EST
Just the sort of stuff I was after!

This is actually quite important - will I be able to eat and sleep for a reasonable price anywhere in Florence?

Car - we had planned on hiring a car, which road do you mean?

Crowds - yeah, I've heard a lot about that. I would have preferred to visit in winter.

Ryanair - tell me about it. Unfortunately the only alternatives cost 3 times as much (Alitalia) and 5 times as much (BA). So Ryanair it is.

As I've said before I think I'd rather visit Bologna and/or Pisa, especially as I'm on rather a tight budget, but the prevailing opinion is against me and I've always wanted to go to Florence, so I might as well go now.

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Florence on a budget is hard by extremely tedious HuSer (4.00 / 1) #11 Tue Apr 05, 2005 at 01:00:20 AM EST
For eating, you'd be better off trying to find the local university canteen (Florence uni is pretty large). That could also be a good way to find out about bands/events, as well as getting hold of some resin, should you be so inclined. Try google, or Virgilio, an Italian search engine (University = universita; canteen = mensa).

As for sleeping, you may be better off staying out of town, but you need to get organized as bus drivers etc are usually unhelpful, so getting into town could be a problem.

Car - I am not too sure, it's been ages. You can go by the coast (which starts marshy and becomes rocky) or over the hills, but you'll need a map and a bit of research. Btw, if you are used to British road signs, you'll get quite confused in Italy, as they are pretty shit over there.

Gosh, after writing all that i feel I want a holiday too!!

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Thinking about it by nebbish (2.00 / 0) #13 Tue Apr 05, 2005 at 01:28:38 AM EST
As I'm only actually in Florence for one night and Genoa is really cheap, I should be fine.

I just know that when we go out and have a wonderful, cheap meal in Genoa everyone will be saying we should have stayed there :-)

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**** STOP PRESS **** by extremely tedious HuSer (2.00 / 0) #15 Tue Apr 05, 2005 at 01:44:21 AM EST
I just realised, Saturday night, 8:30, there is Fiorentina - Juventus. It's going to be a hot match, as there is deep hatred between the two teams.
May or may not be of intest.

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Yeah by nebbish (2.00 / 0) #19 Tue Apr 05, 2005 at 02:05:36 AM EST
Wouldn't actually go and see it, but wouldn't mind watching it in a bar. Thanks.

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I should warn you by extremely tedious HuSer (4.00 / 1) #24 Tue Apr 05, 2005 at 03:34:37 AM EST
Maybe it would be wise to keep clear of the train station on late saturday afternoon - that's where it usually kicks off. Unless you like to take pictures of cops in riot gear...

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What to see in Florence? by anonimouse (4.00 / 3) #3 Mon Apr 04, 2005 at 11:40:36 PM EST
Dougal

This comment may only be understood by overage watchers of childrens TV


Girls come and go but a mortgage is for 25 years -- JtL


Florence by komet (4.00 / 1) #5 Tue Apr 05, 2005 at 12:02:03 AM EST
the only thing I remember about Florence is that the bread tastes blander than you could have imagined possible, and the mosquitos are fucking stupid and really easy to catch.

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<ni> komet: You are functionally illiterate as regards trashy erotica.


Sage words sir by nebbish (2.00 / 0) #9 Tue Apr 05, 2005 at 12:26:02 AM EST
I shall bare them in mind. Mosquito catching and bread reviews are funnily enough the main reasons I want to visit.

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The thing I do miss by anonimouse (2.00 / 0) #6 Tue Apr 05, 2005 at 12:02:11 AM EST
Is the cliffhanger endings in 3 or 4 part serials; the bit where all the kids are meant to hide behing the sofa. It's all a bit too "nice" and seems a bit rushed.

Having said that though, improved special effects, monsters and acting do make a better show.


Girls come and go but a mortgage is for 25 years -- JtL


Yeah, I thought that by nebbish (2.00 / 0) #8 Tue Apr 05, 2005 at 12:24:05 AM EST
And the way the creepy Dr Who music kicked in with the cliffhanger :-) Having said that, these self-contained episodes seem to be working very well so far.

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And the Band Played On by georgeha (4.00 / 1) #10 Tue Apr 05, 2005 at 12:45:59 AM EST
Is supposed to be a very good description of AIDS in America in the 1980's. I've never read it though.

In Florence, I recommend the old Roman ruins, that art museum, and maybe some Renaissance stuff. Drink some good Italian wine, too, but watch out for the crazy drivers.




Good Italian wines by gazbo (4.00 / 1) #12 Tue Apr 05, 2005 at 01:22:16 AM EST
Be aware that the only wines Italy produces are Chianti and Barollo.  The latter is not suited to the English palate, so best to avoid it.

If you buy an expensive Chianti (over, say, £6), then it is reasonable to expect the bottle to come in a wicker basket.  If it doesn't, it's likely you're being fobbed off with cheap stuff.


"Engarde!" cried the larvae, huskily. - Scrymarch

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What about Asti Spumanti Champagne? by georgeha (2.00 / 0) #14 Tue Apr 05, 2005 at 01:39:46 AM EST
That sounds Italian.


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Don't listen to this individual by extremely tedious HuSer (4.00 / 1) #16 Tue Apr 05, 2005 at 01:45:25 AM EST
gasbod or whatever he's called

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His username ends in o by georgeha (4.00 / 1) #17 Tue Apr 05, 2005 at 01:48:09 AM EST
so he's probably Spanish or Italian, thus he must know what he's talking about. Try not to be intimidated by the multicultural aspects of this board.


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I thought he was chinese? by extremely tedious HuSer (2.00 / 0) #18 Tue Apr 05, 2005 at 01:57:11 AM EST


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WIPO: What is Manchester doing in your poll? [nt] by yicky yacky (2.00 / 0) #20 Tue Apr 05, 2005 at 02:42:04 AM EST

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Glad someone agrees with me [nt] by nebbish (2.00 / 0) #21 Tue Apr 05, 2005 at 02:44:10 AM EST

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Yes indeed. by yicky yacky (4.00 / 1) #22 Tue Apr 05, 2005 at 02:53:30 AM EST

No reason for either of us to be anything other than fair and balanced, right?


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For the same reason by nebbish (4.00 / 1) #23 Tue Apr 05, 2005 at 02:58:57 AM EST
I decided not to include Leeds. I wouldn't have got the result I wanted.

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