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By jump the ladder (Mon Apr 11, 2005 at 09:57:15 PM EST) (all tags)
No AKLAL at the moment. Did go to the club on Thursday night with aircraft broker. No sign of her there but met an actual new girl for who it was truly her first night.

Poll: sad about Andrea Dworkin dying?



Shy Spanish

I noticed the pair of them sitting on the tablenext to ours in the club. One of them seemed to be very over dressed in normal clothes. It turned out that the prettier one in a skimpy black dress was there doing the job for the first time and her friend was along for 'moral' support. So when I suggested a strip in the lapodancing room, she said I had to tell her what to do which of course I did. It was kind of strange as she seemed to get really into it and said she enjoyed the reaction on my face to what she was doing. Tried to get her phone number off her but she was too shy. 

Job

I think the main problem with the job is the lack of a project manager to help me negotiate realistic timeframes and set goals. I've always had one on jobs before even when I've being dealing mostly with the users day to day. My boss and most of the other staff have no real experience with programmers so they just set unrealistic targets and expect me to deliver and I'm not being allowed to negotiate. Communication is lousy. I've tried writing specs and timetables and getting user agreement on these but these are being ignored in favour of just day to day instructions and changes in spec and scope. Getting pretty fucked off.

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You seem by hulver (4.00 / 3) #1 Mon Apr 11, 2005 at 10:03:51 PM EST
To be spending a lot of time in strip clubs lately.

Don't you think it's leading you to objectifying women even more than you did in the past?
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No by jump the ladder (4.00 / 1) #2 Mon Apr 11, 2005 at 10:08:42 PM EST
Haven't actually spent much time there recently. Last visit was middle of January. I go roughly every three months or so. I think you are confusing seeing  a lap dancer with actually going to the club a lot.

Objectifying women, no not really. I'd rather have the chat with the women at the club than a dance.

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Rapist by hulver (4.00 / 2) #7 Mon Apr 11, 2005 at 10:37:50 PM EST

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Yah by jump the ladder (4.00 / 1) #8 Mon Apr 11, 2005 at 10:40:17 PM EST
If you take Andrea's definition of rape.

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Do they do kinky stuff? by Rogerborg (2.00 / 0) #10 Mon Apr 11, 2005 at 11:32:49 PM EST
Chatting, I mean.

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OMPI by martingale (4.00 / 1) #3 Mon Apr 11, 2005 at 10:22:11 PM EST
No feeding tube = no sadness.

You can't turn on feelings of sadness every time the media says so, you know.
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Don't think the media by jump the ladder (4.00 / 1) #6 Mon Apr 11, 2005 at 10:37:49 PM EST
Is trying to stir up emotion about this one. Just a standard obit on a contreversial figure.

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Andrea Dworkin by nebbish (4.00 / 3) #4 Mon Apr 11, 2005 at 10:23:58 PM EST
She was a funny one. I didn't agree with a lot of what she said, but her ideas were interesting and definitely worth thinking about.

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I think by jump the ladder (4.00 / 2) #5 Mon Apr 11, 2005 at 10:26:27 PM EST
She was like a troll, taking extreme positions to their logical conclusions.

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Very well put by nebbish (2.00 / 0) #9 Mon Apr 11, 2005 at 10:48:52 PM EST
I was trying to say something similar. It's like you don't agree, but it's needed.

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what was so extreme? by Dr H0ffm4n (4.00 / 1) #15 Tue Apr 12, 2005 at 12:23:43 AM EST
What most people know of Dworkin is 3rd hand reportage of her opinions and stance rather than her own words.

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I never said extreme by nebbish (2.00 / 0) #18 Tue Apr 12, 2005 at 03:39:18 AM EST
I read "Pornography" a few years back. Although I thought it made some interesting points I found it too opinionated and subjective.

To be honest I can hardly remember it now though. It didn't have much of an impact on me.

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JtL said extreme by Dr H0ffm4n (2.00 / 0) #19 Tue Apr 12, 2005 at 04:04:21 AM EST
You said that he'd said what you said better. Opinionated and subjective aren't surprising given the emotive and personal subject matter (violence against women).

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Doesn't matter how personal and emotive it is by nebbish (2.00 / 0) #21 Tue Apr 12, 2005 at 09:25:53 PM EST
If you want your ideas to have an impact, you need to be thorough and level headed.

Another problem I remember having with her was an overuse of anectdotal evidence.

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Anecdotal evidence by Dr H0ffm4n (4.00 / 1) #22 Tue Apr 12, 2005 at 10:49:00 PM EST
It is often overlooked that reliable anecdotal evidence is sufficient for demonstration of an existential assertion.

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OK, that's true by nebbish (4.00 / 1) #23 Tue Apr 12, 2005 at 10:56:49 PM EST
But only if you use further anecdotal evidence to counter argue with yourself, which she didn't do in "Pornography".

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WIPO: Who? by Rogerborg (4.00 / 1) #11 Mon Apr 11, 2005 at 11:36:12 PM EST
Despite the very liberal results of the recent poll, we don't all read the Grauniad round these parts.

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ALSO: WTF? It'll be her "first night" by Rogerborg (2.00 / 0) #12 Mon Apr 11, 2005 at 11:58:46 PM EST
for months.  New in town and shy like a fox.  And why didn't you offer her your number?  Getting a bit cocky, aren't we?  Eh? Eh?

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I think the by jump the ladder (2.00 / 0) #13 Tue Apr 12, 2005 at 12:07:49 AM EST
Friend along for moral support rang true and she did sem very amatuer although she got better under my tutelage.

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She seemed sincere? by Rogerborg (2.00 / 0) #14 Tue Apr 12, 2005 at 12:21:55 AM EST
Well, if you can fake that, the rest is easy.

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you only have one boss? by alprazolam (2.00 / 0) #16 Tue Apr 12, 2005 at 01:06:02 AM EST
i have a program boss but also a "functional" (ie engineering) boss i can bitch too about things like that (unreasonable expectations, no scheduling, changes in scope).

WIPO: by extremely tedious HuSer (2.00 / 0) #17 Tue Apr 12, 2005 at 01:57:41 AM EST
Neven heard of her, but from the picture I am glad I am not the one carrying the coffin on my shoulders.


don't know nothin bout Dworkin by clover kicker (2.00 / 0) #20 Tue Apr 12, 2005 at 04:46:23 AM EST
But I know Space Moose wasn't a fan.

background - the misogynistic Space Moose has been sold to the feminists, and is trapped in the lair of Andrea the Hutt.

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